Australian Formula 1 Grand Prix 2009

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Do you race?
Does anybody else get the feeling that - assuming this is the teams running to the stewards because someone has better toys than they do - despite Williams and Toyota being a part of the official protest, the real target is Brawn GP?
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I do. Not because there's any "special hate" towards BrawnGP, but because they "crushed" the competition in testing.

Maybe if they did some sandbagging (sp?) this issue wouldn't be so dramatic and the teams wouldn't be worried enough to launch a protest.

Curiously, Ferrari is very quiet. Maybe for political reasons (they knew other teams would launch the protest anyway and Montezemolo wants to keep FOTA as united as possible), but I'm just speculating here ...
 
Hun200kmh
I do. Not because there's any "special hate" towards BrawnGP, but because they "crushed" the competition in testing.

Maybe if they did some sandbagging (sp?) this issue wouldn't be so dramatic and the teams wouldn't be worried enough to launch a protest.
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I actually think it's kind of funny, really. If 2009 had gone according to the "script" as it were, with Brawn being a struggling first-time team and McLaren actualy remembering to develop their cars, the teams filing the protests wouldn't actually be experiencing any (potential) change in where they're likely to place overall.

While there is the potential that the diffiusers do actually exploit loopholes in the rules that the FIA never even realised existed when they made said rules, I think the actual motivations behind the decision to protest are more important in this case before the legality of the parts is considered. Maybe I'm just seeing too much of the negative, but I did kind of lose faith in this whole system of teams keeping the others honest after Brazil 2007. I simply cannot get over the fact that McLaren looked to have the BMW and Williams entires disqualified for illegal fuel cooling and claimed they were doing it for the good of the sport (even if they didn't use those specific words), but their protest did not include Kazuki Nakajima despie having the same fuel system as Rosberg, Heidfeld and Kubica. It simply made me think that McLaren were serving their own interests first in trying to get the results changed so that Hamilton could win the championship - and thus made me lose a ton of respect of them; the least they could have done was include Nakajima in the protest even if they didn't care for him - as opposed toserving the interests of the sport.

An once you lose faith because of something like that, it's kind of hard to regain it. Maybe Brawn's parts are illegal, but I think this protest has more to do with the teams resorting to having the diffusers banned not because they contradict the rules, but because having them banned will improve the odds of the protesters.
 
daan
I was expecting to have to get up at 2-3 am to watch this. Didn't realise that they'd changed the time of this one to 5pm local time, so it's on at 6am here. 👍
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And a further note to this.

We move the clocks forward onto BST early on Sunday morning, so be sure to take note of that too.
 
The protests of the Toyota, Brawn and Williams has been thrown out. They are legal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/default.stm

Do you race?
Does anybody else get the feeling that - assuming this is the teams running to the stewards because someone has better toys than they do - despite Williams and Toyota being a part of the official protest, the real target is Brawn GP?
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Yes I agree. This is exactly what it's all about.

daan
And a further note to this.

We move the clocks forward onto BST early on Sunday morning, so be sure to take note of that too.
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Oh no. Not another totally pointless change in the clocks. That's all my body clock needs now.
 
Do you race?
Does anybody else get the feeling that - assuming this is the teams running to the stewards because someone has better toys than they do - despite Williams and Toyota being a part of the official protest, the real target is Brawn GP?
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Can't be. The whole illegal diffuser issue has been around since the first tests at the end of January. The Brawn was only unveiled in the beginning of March.
 
daan
And a further note to this.

We move the clocks forward onto BST early on Sunday morning, so be sure to take note of that too.
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So according to this, the race would be now on at 7am for you guys in England, and that would become 8am for me in Norway, is this correct?
 
Depends on when your country moves it's clocks, if at all during this weekend.

We, for example, move our clocks tonight - which ****s me over bigtime, since that gives me an our less to sleep ahead of an important exam tomorrow.
 
niky
I still think it's a bleeding shame that the FIA banned this part. I think it was very clever.
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I can see both sides of the argument on this one, it was a very cleaver solution and one that worked (reportedly worth a few 1/10th a lap.

I agree with the part being banned, but not the reason given for the ban. The FIA banned Tuned Mass Dampers on the grounds that they were a moveable aerodynamic component, which most people disagree with.

However most do agree that they should have been banned on safety grounds, given that the core of a TMD is a small but weighty (9kg) weight that is housed in the nose cone. As the nose cone is designed as a detachable component, quite a few people were rightly concerned about the potential of 9kg weights flying around the track at high speed in an accident.

Racecar Engineering had a good piece on TMD's and J-Dampers (which solve the same issue in a different way) last year.


Regards

Scaff
 
Brawn, Williams, and Toyota are cleared to race this weekend:

The protest lodged against the diffusers used by the Toyota, Williams and Brawn GP teams has been rejected by the FIA after a six-hour audition in Melbourne ahead of this week-end's season-opening Grand Prix.
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Source: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090326142229.shtml


It took the FIA delegates six hours to decide this. I'd like to see a transcript of their decision.
 
Now that BrawnGP Williams & Toyota will race, the question is will the other teams now adopt a similar apporach to their diffuser designs? Will that then make the other teams increase their own lap times in comparison with BGP? Very interesting set of developments indeed. Sureley practice will be entertaining :)
 
Pity practice isn't repeated, I really can't be bothered to get up that early for it. I will be rushing straight online to find out the times when I do wake up tomorrow though.

All I need is some BrawnGP merchandise! :crazy:
 
thankfully when i get home from work tonight practice will just be starting. finally a benifit to working closing shifts. should see some impressive cars out there breaking up the norm.
 
They inspect the cars today, would be funny if toyota wasn't disqualified. What do u guys think will happen?
 
Not long till practice gets underway, who will be tuning in to the BBC to watch it? Or the repective channel for your country.
 
yep it all started tomorrow at 12.00pm practice run and quality on chanel ten australia time the new session has came i can't wait for it it is going to be ball of session. GO lewis hamilton
 
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PJ-FFL
imagine how pissed renault and red bull will get
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Why would they be pissed if Toyota is allowed in? It's Brawn they want; Toyota and Williams might be listed in the protest, but Brawn GP are the real targets. Besides, as was said, the protest has been thrown out. All Renault, Red Bull and Ferrari can do now is lodge an appeal.
 

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