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These two pics made my day when I heard the news:

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Can't sleep, so I'm watch "The Making Of", and aside from Kevin Smith being extremely annoying, the biggest thing that I am taking from it is that there is simply way too much going on in Dawn of Justice. Also, I want to reach into the screen and punch Jesse Eisenberg. His Lex Luthor reminds me of that annoying kid who always hangs out with the older kids and tries way too hard to relate to them despite having nothing in common with them.
 
...BvS reviews are online, and I've lost most of my interest in the film after reading one or two. Okay maybe more than that. :indiff:

It's hovering around 40% mark on Rotten Tomatoes, which is...

I don't really care about review scores of course - but it's the revelation that trailers have kind of ruined many plot points of the movie that have killed my interest. To think it's Doomsday in the finale, and the Warner Bros' idiotic marketing team spoiled it... :irked:

Instead of watching it on the day of the release, now I'm thinking of catching it when the ticket price goes down a bit. Their loss.
 
After the preview screenings, all the fans on my FB feeds are like "YAY! WOO! ONCE MORE!"

And then I go to Rotten Tomatoes, and read reviews complaining about the exact same things we were worrying about from the beginning... "Overly Long", "Humorless", "Sluggish Script", "Will the REAL Man of Steel please stand up?" (and those last two are from POSITIVE reviews).

Errrh... is this a movie I should get drunk to watch?
 
I was on the fence before but now I will definitely wait for it to come out on BluRay and save the money for that civil war movie that's coming out.
 
Northstar
I was on the fence before but now I will definitely wait for it to come out on BluRay and save the money for that civil war movie that's coming out.
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I'll wait for more reviews. The good news seems to be that Affleck and Gadot are on point for their roles, but a lot of people still don't like Cavill, and he doesn't seem to connect. Some people hated Eisenberg, some thought he was okay.

Reading through the "Good" reviews on the Rotten Tomatoes collection is troubling. 3/5s, 2.5/4s... those are not good scores for a movie like this.

And over half the "Good" reviews contained caveats and reservations, mostly over the plodding script and overly dour tone of the movie.

Still might watch it in the theaters... if only to see the Wonder Woman part... or hell... just to watch the action. I'll probably bring along a beer, though.
 
I actually read the comics that it was based off of (Currently reading The Master Race, the third of The Dark Knight Returns trilogy), and a lot of those film critics that reviewed the film are NOT comic book fans. I would put away the pitchforks for now.
 
JKgo
it's the revelation that trailers have kind of ruined many plot points of the movie that have killed my interest. To think it's Doomsday in the finale, and the Warner Bros' idiotic marketing team spoiled it.
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It's not unheard of for marketing teams to spoil parts of a film that they have little confidence in.
 
Sanji Himura
I actually read the comics that it was based off of (Currently reading The Master Race, the third of The Dark Knight Returns trilogy), and a lot of those film critics that reviewed the film are NOT comic book fans. I would put away the pitchforks for now.
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Frankly, that just makes them more objective.

A movie has to be able to stand on its own. As seen in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, if you have to read additional material or hunt it down for the movie to make sense, that makes the movie less enjoyable for people who may not have had the pleasure of reading absolutely every issue of the pertinent comic book or who haven't memorized the novel.

It's hilarious that the reaction online to the negative reviews range from "the critics don't like superhero movies" (they like a lot of them) to "they're Marvel fanboys" or "they don't get serious superhero movies" (these are the same critics who gave glowing praise to "The Dark Knight")

A lot of the critics invited to early screeners are avid comic book movie fans and/or geeks. And even those who liked the movie had their reservations.
 
And it's worth noting that comic books are a static visual medium. A lot of the stylistic choices are born out of the limitations of that medium. It's why most characters - and it's particularly noticeable in the villains - have a recurring visual motif; the Joker is a clown, Mr. Freeze controls ice, Poison Ivy controls plants, and so on and so forth. It's to make them immediately recognisable in a crowd. But that doesn't necessarily translate well into the fluid visual medium of film. I think that's where a lot of the issues with bad comic book films come from.

One of the reasons why I really like Captain America: The Winter Soldier is because it takes the comic characters and repositions them into a very modern context without losing the integrity of its characters as comic book characters. The film looks at government oversight, the use and misuse and outright abuse of power, the influence of the military-industrial complex and intelligence agencies on society, and the question of whether we really want to know how our governments protect us. These issues are really relevant to us today. But from what I have seen of Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice, there's none of that nuance - it's just a comic book on celluloid.
 
There will those entertained by graphics, those entertained by storyline, those entertained by whatever values(political or moral) interest them.
I want to see what could not be done 5, 10, 40 years ago. I wasn't a fan of Ang Lee's Hulk, anymore than The HULK. I do like the relevance put into the stories of the MCU and tv/Netflix series.
I'm going to see for myself, if I'm entertained by BVS.
 
Playing the "They aren't fans!" card when critics slam a movie isn't really a counterpoint in truth. Like @niky said - I should be able to go to a movie and enjoy it without having any sort of affiliation with the comic's story or any history not put across in the series' so far (if we are counting Man of Steel in the same universe of course). Whilst pretty disposable, the MCU films are still enjoyable romps if a tad forgettable(save for Iron Man 1 and Captain America 2) and I really don't think Man of Steel (or seemingly) BvS understand what it takes to be a critical success. Snyder doesn't have it, if they couldn't see that before maybe they will see it now.

I still intend to go see it this weekend but like 95% of people who seen the trailer - I'm not entirely looking forward to it as the plot has been blown wide-open and any sort of surprise seems to have been foiled.
 
We have a partnership with Warner Brothers for BM v SM, and 3 of my team went to the UK premier last night (I couldn't make it last night, but I'm off to a pre-screening early next week)... they had a good time, but all have said the film is a bit meh.
 
To be absolutely fair to Zack Snyder, "comic books on celluloid" is something he does very well. An old friend who sometimes writes for rogerebert.com pointed out this critique of the Director that's quite spot on:

http://filmschoolrejects.com/features/zack-snyders-troubled-relationship-superman-comics.php

There's no denying that Snyder has the ability to make compelling cinema... indeed, the cited opening montage of Watchmen is one of the best comic book montages I've ever seen put on screen... (and I did enjoy about a third of Sucker Punch)... but that's in bits and pieces. Trying to weave them into a coherent whole is where he often falls flat.

It's not surprising, looking at the reactions online, that a lot of people were awed by some of the spectacle. Snyder is good at that. It just seems that if you expect a linear, gripping, and evenly-paced experience, BvS falls afoul of some of the same issues that plague other Snyder films.

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It's also funny that sites like Rotten Tomatoes are being flooded by "user reviews" that often consist of "You ****ing critics don't know **** about movies! This was the greatest movie of all time!"

The less... strident... positive user reviews put it above MoS and below TDKR, which means it should at least be watchable. But even amongst the non-critic rabble, there are those who are calling it a hot mess. I'm still on the fence as to whether to see it in the cinema.
 
niky
It's not surprising, looking at the reactions online, that a lot of people were awed by some of the spectacle. Snyder is good at that. It just seems that if you expect a linear, gripping, and evenly-paced experience, BvS falls afoul of some of the same issues that plague other Snyder films.
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That's pretty much what these guys were saying too:

(no spoilers in this video)

 
Just seen it. Sigh.

Some questionable stuff here and there. I can see it as a movie straight out of the comic book in some parts, which feels odd imo.

6.5/10 from me. Personally i think it has to do with how Snyder's style of movie didn't suit me.

Hope Suicide Squad and the new Batman solo films are better than this.
 
JKgo
...Me neither. You know, @FrzGT and his weird sense of humor, it's an acquired taste.
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Forget it.

I think the movie itself were recent DC cliche as usual. Many politic talk there and there and the dark vibe. Thank god its doesnt include the city destruction like Man of Steel did. The current movie actually brings the implication of those, civilian death and such.
 
GTboyz
Just seen it. Sigh.

Some questionable stuff here and there. I can see it as a movie straight out of the comic book in some parts, which feels odd imo.

6.5/10 from me. Personally i think it has to do with how Snyder's style of movie didn't suit me.

Hope Suicide Squad and the new Batman solo films are better than this.
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was waiting on someone who saw it first, I'd personally give it a 6/10 but that's me being a DC fan. now onto the spoilers bit

First of all the first part was fantastic with the montage of Bruce's parents dying (which actually plays a part later on in the movie) then with the whole Metropolis fight from Bruce's pov. Then it went downhill. Superman somehow tracked louis and then kills the man holding her hostage then we get to the whole political anti MOS stuff that does nothing but waste our time cause guess what after lex blows up keeff this whole plot line does not matter anymore. Now I like Battfleck he is a very good TDKR Batman but why should we accept that Batman now kills people, he doesn't even need to sometimes, the whole batmobile chase was brutal and needlessly so. Superman in this movie is straight up unlikable, he just stares there looking angry and flys away, they really need to work on that character, WW was fine so kudos to Gal but the dear me is Lex Luthor straight up garbage, it's not Jesse's fault but we get no reason as to why he hates superman (daddy issues and power being not innocent...... what?) and then what kind of stupid plan is he thinking off when he creates doomsday, lets imagine Doomsday kills superman now what?. The whole Martha thing was very cringe and lets not talk about how the movie ended (the whole cinema were all joking about yeah right as if they'd kill Superman). The knightmare scene didn't make any sense to me so I'll just consider it as something to be explained in the JL movie (or maybe it's just them testing out the reaction to the parademons). I didn't mind the lazy cameos of the JL members and I do think the soundtrack was great (loved that cheesy WW theme).

The fight themselves were pretty decent and some shots were stunning (zack's main strong suite). Now finally I still think this universe has potential but get Miller on it, enough of zack for me.
 
Sounds like it's fallen victim to Hollywood Grittiness, the faulty assumption that in order to be taken seriously, a film must Be Serious. It's probably motivated by the desire to put some distance between the DC and Marvel universes; Marvel has a very light-hearted approach at times.

It's no surprise that the film has fallen flat on its face. Even without Snyder at the helm. There's something about Superman that just does not translate well onto the big screen; it's hard to make a solar-powered invincible alien demi-god interesting. And I think Batman works better in a stand-alone context simply because his supporting cast is a thousand times stronger than the rest of the DC repertoire.
 

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