Best sleeper/fun car?

[AERO_HDT]

Believe it or not, in stock form the 260RS is not that much better than an RSFour. Almost identical 1/4 miles, power figures, weights, and the RSFour has a better ratioed gearbox.

Now for my sleepers:

*TVR Griffith 500 '94 - The easy choice for quick, cheap fun. 20k gets you a nice 60,000km version....add an oil change and stage 1 weight reduction and you have your instant British lightweight champion!! Being powered by a 5.0L Holden V8 motor doesn't hurt performance either.

That's the tip of the iceberg for me.

As far as I know, the TVR uses a 5.0 litre Rover V8, not a Holden cast iron block. You can't get 340 brake horsepower out of a naturally aspirated Holden V8 without serious serious inner reworkings. HSV only managed 215kW (290bhp) before they had to stroke the engine out to 5.8 litres. Sure they managed 230kW from the VN SS Group A after it was blueprinted, but that was still only good for 310bhp and supposedly stretched with those specs and ported to 311ci which technically gave it 5.1 litres of displacement over the usual 4.9 308ci block.

My sleeper, BTW is the Lotus Elan. You can run 1'06s around Tsukuba stock with medium sports tyres straight out the box with no oil changes and no mods at all. You tell me of a car under 200bhp that can run those sorts of times (apart from the GSXR/4 and the Lotus Elise, hehe)...

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Yeah, but that Rover V8 is a 1960s Buick 215 at its roots.

 

[Woolie Wool]

With decent suspension tuning, the Ballade Sport CR-X is a blast, maybe even more fun than the later-model SiR. Its extremely light weight and short wheelbase make it easier to tune out some of the understeer, although its tires really aren't quite up to scratch. With 212HP, it can run with TVRs if the track is twisty and has no very long straightaways (it tops out at around 140 mph, which is not enough to catch exotic cars on the straights).

 

[Street Racer 77]

to drive with the dodge viper srt10 full tunted, but with stock mufflers


1. nice sound
2. with the right tuning is he faster than the sauber mercedes c9 and the rest

 

[AERO_HDT]

No way in the world a tuned SRT10 is quicker than a Sauber C9. Not exactly a 'sleeper' either.

Where the hell is 'Nurnburgring'?

 

[Woolie Wool]

I have just finished tuning a 71 Charger Super Bee. I don't know why anyone mentions muscle cars on this. It will beat several cars that cost way more. It puts out over 727hp and handles better than most other cars I know of. My friend had a modded Viper that had a similar power number and lower wieght than my Charger. I was over 12 secs ahead of him at LeMans. 210mph+ top speed.

1960s horsepower figures are grossly inflated and were taken using sloppy measurement practices. A real Charger Super Bee probably only has 300-350 horsepower rather than the >400 it is rated at in Gran Turismo.

 

[Tornado]

1960s horsepower figures are grossly inflated and were taken using sloppy measurement practices.

Depends what car we are talking about. Stock 60s Hemis have been rated in the low 500 ranges at the flywheel using modern testing procedures, with many of them having over 450. A 1971 Hemi might have less, though.

 

[AERO_HDT]

Yeah, it depends on what you mean by 'modern testing' procedures.

60's power measurements were used without the car having any ancilliaries fittted and it was common-practice that the power-figures were fudged. It's also well known that manufacturers didn't want a political backlash and deliberately downgraded the power quoted from their engines.

A '71 Hemi was identical to a '72 Hemi in every respect - just power measurement methods changed (ancilliaries were fitted).

Do 'modern testing' procedures measure the power output of these engines with or without ancilliaries? Do these procedures also test original hemi engines or do they test repro crate engines?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Have to say I'm partial to the Range Rover Stormer Concept and the Starion on circuits like Georges V Paris. I know it sounds like an oddball combiantion, but as one of my close friends said, I like things that are just that little bit different because they're different.

Where the hell is 'Nurnburgring'?

Probably in the same world where the SRT/10 can catch a C9.

 

[Kurei]

If anyone's looking for an interesting car to try sometime, Take a M5 on N2's to a course you like to drift at, the car is eager to slide and for me, is really fun to drive around doing weight transfers at random

 

[GNX]

For me it will always be the GNX. Hope it makes it into GT5.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If anyone's looking for an interesting car to try sometime, Take a M5 on N2's to a course you like to drift at, the car is eager to slide and for me, is really fun to drive around doing weight transfers at random

I don't know much about drifting - my ownself never does it in the game - but I also did imagine the first half of the Motegi Road course would be good for such a practice.

And if it isn't, that just makes it more challenging.

 

[Heldenzeit]

My tuned Citroën 2CV...54hp!!! Top speed of 57mph.

The Vitz F is kinda cool too...hit the nitrous and it does burnouts in 3rd.

 

[SonicSponic]

Without a doubt, any car in the Lotus Elise line! Even untuned you can rack up a few 200 point races with some flavor or other of Elise!

 

[gtxrookie]

civic eg .Love that little bubble

 

[AERO_HDT]

For me it will always be the GNX. Hope it makes it into GT5.

What a stunning car that is! The GNX is actually a very rare machine in real life. Buick built less than 500 of them and they're as rare and collectable as hens teeth nowadays - already a sought after classic and destined to become 80's legends in a few short years.

What I really loved about the GNX was the massive torque from the 3.8 litre turbo V6. Being an aussie, the 3.8 litre V6 is possibly one of the most common engines you'll find and the most we ever got out of them from the factory was 180kW (240bhp) which was with a supercharger and well short of the 206kW (276bhp) power of the Buick GNX.

It was really coarse up the top end as these engines usually are, but grunt from down low is superb and the GNX was a real torque monster. I gotta admit the factory top speed of 120mph (200km/h) was limited more to tyre technology rather than anything else (aerodynamics were pretty brick-like), but you could get one to hit over 236km/h in GT4 which was very unrealistic.

I could happily dice all day in a car like this, and getting it to run 8'40 lap times around the Ring on road-spec tyres (N2) was hairy chested stuff.

If the GNX doesn't make it into GT5 I'll be very disappointed...

 

[Adamgp]

Lately I've gotten to love my fully tuned 448hp DeLorean.

 

[superturbo]

I think my three have to be:

Ford Ka. This little car handles so well normally, I've had two Ka's in real life, but tuned... it's a little rocket too! Would hope to see the Ka, SportKa and Ford Racing Ka in GT5.

Fiat 500. The turn-in on this car when cornering is remarkable and you can actually drift it ! Tuned up fully this car is an easy win 200 pt car on technical circuits. I want to see this car in GT5 and also the new 500 and Abarth version (of both)

Fiat Panda. This thing is quite agile and quick when tuned dispite it's shoe box styling.
I love this little car, but I'd be happy to forfeit it in GT5 for the Uno or Punto turbo to be honest.

Although the DeLorean is more of an opposite Q car in real life:- it looks quite quick but went quite slow in real life. I must see this car in GT5, and tuned it's a great car to watch back in replays.

 

[GNX]

@ AERO_HDT

I'll be very disappointed as well. It is my absolute favorite car, If I were a car, that's what'd I be. Don't forget the cars other siblings, the regular Grand National, the T-Type & Turbo T, the Turbo Regals, and the non turbo V6 & V8 Regals. All essentially the same body & chassis. Cosmetic and options aside, the major difference in the GNX is the suspension which has a Ladder bar and Pan Hard rod which makes a huge difference in planting that power down. Other differences include the fuel injection system or carburetored engine on the older ones. I guess what I'm saying is that it's a great sleeper car. Youtube has plenty to offer for the GN enthusiast. I just wish there were more circuit related videos rather than so many rocket sled videos. Nothing against straight line racing, I just prefer circuits 99% of the time.

I started on GT2, moved on to GT3, and played simply for the pleasure of it. I found all the options in those games very overwhelming. But then I got GT4 and was simply taken aback when I saw the GNX. That's when I got really serious about GT and learned how many of the options affect the car. I have a ways to go on knowing how it all affects things, but I'm better than when I first started. I purchased a DF wheel soon after obtaining the GNX and recently upgraded to a DFP after the original wheel started to act up. So you can say my GT investment went up as a result of the GNX. I pretty much use the GNX exclusively even when clearly out classed. It is so much fun to beat the odds even if I don't always win. I just wish I was a better & more consistent driver, but there are only so many hours in a day and so many other responsibilities.

Glad to meet another GNX admirer.

 

[jinxtigr]

I've had a heck of a time trying to get my real life daily driver modeled in Gran Turismo, and for a while I was using the GNX.

My car is 'Fluffy' (scary beyond all reason ) which is a modified '93 Buick Century. 3300 engine (V6) with station wagon and van springs, and modified air intake and exhaust.

Still not NEAR the GNX's power, but the great thing is it sounds a bit like the GNX. But the GNX is FR, Fluffy is actually FF...

I ended up using a Dodge SRT 4, nearly stock, to mimic Fluffy, and interestingly the SRT 4 can actually beat the GNX 'Fluffy' on some tracks as long as it's not all about the power... I even set up the 3300/440T4 gearbox the way it is on Fluffy, which was hilarious because you can't actually do the 2.73/1 final drive ratio on this grandma-geared car without doctoring everything like crazy.

It's a pity we don't have some of those decidedly unexciting cars in GT, though in some cases you can't even model them within the GT parameters. You can't have a final drive that steep in GT, you can't have spring rates as soft as the car had stock in GT... and yet, you still see TONS of those GM A-bodies still on the road and running to this day, Century/Cutlass Ciera/9000/Celebrity. Once you start looking, they're everywhere.

Some of you probably even drive one!

 

[GNX]

@ jinxtigr

Yeah, I've been in one. I have a relative who had/s a Century. She swore by it as the best care she ever owned. I have the pleasure of seeing 1960's (Guess on my part) Skylark on my way home from work. I see it and think of the Buick Special in GT4. It's awesome what some people do with their daily drivers. It must take a lot of patience to do what you've done.

 

[jinxtigr]

Not as much as you'd think- springs are just about $100 a pair and I had a mechanic put them in- exhaust stuff it was all mechanics welding for me, intake stuff was all mine though

I do love the GNX. The modified SRT4 (Fluffy is actually a bit LIGHTER than the stock SRT4!) can just barely beat the stock GNX in some places, partly because of how undramatic FWD is, but the GNX is just more fun

 

[heavyhalf79]

I use the 95 3000gt cause it is the same as my stealth, And i use the 1998 celica gt-four

 

[killer450235]

The Suzuki Cappuccino(EA11R)'91 is a great sleeper.Fun to drive maxed

Just got 8:22.769 on the 'Nurb

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I even set up the 3300/440T4 gearbox the way it is on Fluffy, which was hilarious because you can't actually do the 2.73/1 final drive ratio on this grandma-geared car without doctoring everything like crazy.

Hmm... I thought 2.86 was as tall as it got in the 440T4 for final drive...

Anyhow... I can't match "my" car in GT4. Not even close. 2500lbs, FR, 80hp.

For fun... FD. Any FD. Crossfire seems to be somewhat fun to chuck around on N2s as well...

 

[Arppa83]

I can match my old car, almost in every detail.
Tho it was a '85 CRX instead of '83 one in GT4, but the perfomance is the same.
830kg/100hp, pretty good power to weight ratio for a car from that time
It was fun... i miss that little car...
it still comes back in my nightmares(no BS!)...

 

[aphneo]

My fun car I have in gt4 is a MR2 GT-S. That thing is fun, doing around 418 hp. Changed the settings here and there. It's quick as well. Handles great around the corners.

 

[samj_13]

BMW 2002 Turbo. Nuff said.

 

[mcsqueegy]

I personally like to use the Mitsubishi 3000GT... fun to drift, and good lap times. Oh, yeah, dont forget it's a 4WD!!!

 

[socomplayer2]

I come to see whats happening in the gt4 page and I find my thread from 2 years ago up top, awesome!
This isn't even a sleeper car but I was using the my real car, MKV VW GTI and it is so much fun. Mine is a 2008 white vw gti 6speed and the same one is available in gt4. I like to pretend I am in a police chase or driving through the contry side. The one thing is my car has a sun roof and the game doesn't.