"Blue Devil" News: Test Details Roll In

[95GTIVR6]

Maybe you should photoshop your avatar YSSMAN

Kidding

There are many vehicles that have recalls, especially in the early model years. I just hope GM learns from this and inspects the other vehicles for self-creating targas.

 

[Dave A]

Yeah but normally for a single defect, not for leaks, falling off roofs, faulty engine hoses and more. Not even for a single falling off roof . GM should have had it sorted by now though.

 

[Onikaze]

7 liters in a Small block: Check
Enough Tire to get it down: Check
Less weight to hold it back: Check
That glorious sound and feel when you let the clutch out and punch it: Check

For $67k I'm not arguing, how many Z06's are out there, how long have they been out, and how many have had catastrophic failures?

 

[Poverty]

Theyre saying that the C6 has all the problems of the C5 plus some.

 

[Onikaze]

How many problems did the C5 have?

Besides not getting respect for whooping up on more esteemed marquees?

 

[Dave A]

Are they? I wouldn't know I never took any interest in the C5.

 

[Poverty]

I dont know that as a fact just what I read on the site. Never took any interest in the C5 neither. GT3 made sure of that.

 

[YSSMAN]

Generally speaking, the C5 only had electronic ghosts and some questionable build quality in the interior. Other than that, the Corvettes I've been around all my life are just the same, trouble-free. What I've noticed with the Corvette is that if you treat it well, it will treat you well in return.

 

[Onikaze]

lol, if you use Gran Turismo as a reference, then you will never believe that American cars can do anything worthwhile besides suck gas, not turn, and be heavy.

The game is HORRIBLY biased against US cars, to the point where the Mustang and Vette in GT4 behaved almost like FWD cars at times.

 

[Jay]

Thats odd I thought many of the Corvettes handled great in GT4, like the ZR-1 and C5 Z06, even the Mustangs I was relatively happy with. (not to mention the SRT-10)

I don't think they were horribly biased against them at all.

 

[Onikaze]

Try to drift with the, you will see what I mean when you experience the joys of throttle on understeer.

Yes, you can fix it with ABSURD tuning or ridiculous techniques, but why should these cars be THAT much different to get and hold sideways than a Silvia or Skyline or BMW?

 

[GT4_Rule]

I agree on the biased against US cars part. How many different Skylines do we need in a game? We only got 4-5 Corvettes in GT4, there are so many more!

 

[Onikaze]

It's not just the number of them.

It's the fact that the C5 Z06, a very good handling car in real life, pushes like a Honda Civic in game.

 

[Poverty]

Well theyre missing a whole load of audi's, MB's and BMW's too. And dont even get me started on porsche. And us non japanese didnt get any tuner cars apart from the canadians which is kinda german. I want brabus etc.

 

[Dave A]

I think the C5 Z06 drives okay in GT4, and the new Mustang. It's like people complaining about TVR's understeering in GT4, like 99% of road car's including the Vette, that's what they're setup to do you need to learn to drive them right. The problem with GT4 is simple, you can't deliver the power properly, but that applies to every car.

 

[YSSMAN]

...They seem to have gotten the Corvette right in Forza...

(lol)

 

[Onikaze]

No, it is more than just that.

I understand that cars get tuned for understeer.

I also understand how to tune understeer out, and even after doing so, I can take a C5 Z06, or a 2005 Mustang and toss them into the first three turns of Tsukuba, and they will hold nice lines and drift until I give them some gas, and then the nose pushes wider the more gas you give.

Completely wrong, go out there and find me a FR car that converts instantly from oversteer to understeer when you get ON the throttle.

They drove "ok" in normal driving, but I didn't do much normal driving before I gave GT4 away.

Enthusia models the cars much better, and oh surprise surprise, the Vette is actually fun to drive, and can actually be a handful.

This isn't a thread about how much better EPR's physics are than GT4's though, so I'll just leave it at "GT4 has naff physics, and is NOT a real driving simulator".

 

[Dave A]

That's the problem in a real car if you apply the throttle the car will understeer, but if you apply it so it takles the car's rear tyre's beyond a certain grip limit, the back end will start to drift wide, in GT4 you can't put power down as effectively as a car irl whereas EPR get's it a lot closer, so doing power oversteers isn't as easy to do in GT4 as it is in EPR. Check out the GT4 v EPR thread in the PS2 EPR subform there's loads of great info and points of view in there about where the two gaems differ and best each other in the physics department.

 

[Onikaze]

I have posted a lot on that topic and know all about the problems.

As I've also drifted with RWD cars in real life, I know all about the flaws with GT4 and even EPR's physics.

GT4 doesn't even pretend to get tire feel right, and EPR seems to break down at 100 mph plus, as I've never drifted that fast, I wouldn't know firsthand.

At 35 mph though, it "felt" right.

As for the understeer, I'm referring to having the car sideways, the rear tires already overwhelmed, and giving them more throttle, and having the car revert to snap understeer....I never heard of snap understeer until GT4.

 

[Dave A]

Funny, I don't experience snap understeer in GT4, not like what your describing, only gradual, or upon initially entering the corner sudden understeer. I can't help you sorry.

 

[Onikaze]

When the cars transition from drift to grip in GT4 it isn't a shade of grey thing, it's drift...drift....GRIP! and you wind up snapping around, and or pushing wide.

You can use ridiculous techniques or absurd turning set ups to get around it, but that's unsatisfying, thus, I no longer own the game.

 

[Elegy]

Fifth Gear also has a Z06 writeup. And it's also pretty good:

http://fifthgear.five.tv/jsp/5gmain.jsp?lnk=211&featureid=245&description=Corvette Z06

Also, it seems the Stig squeezed an extra two tenths out of it when the cameras were off...

http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/

 

[Dave A]

It appears that he did, it's the same on bbc.co.uk/topgear.co.uk.

 

[Elegy]

I'd pay money to see that lap.

Frankly, though, I'd consider the 1.22.6 as mission accomplished. 👍

 

[YSSMAN]

Yar want to see the test, Arrr?



Tharrr ya go matey! Arrr!

 

[Jay]

Yar want to see the test, Arrr?


Tharrr ya go matey! Arrr!

I think they mean the off camera lap Stig did.

 

[McLaren]

I think they mean the off camera lap Stig did.

Still a cool video.

Is there anything different on the Euro Z06 from the US one? I know this is the case with the Vipers (I think Euro Vipers have back bumped-based tailpipes).

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Still a cool video.

Is there anything different on the Euro Z06 from the US one? I know this is the case with the Vipers (I think Euro Vipers have back bumped-based tailpipes).

iirc there isnt a "euro" Z06.the old viper have bumper based tailpipes

 

[McLaren]

iirc there isnt a "euro" Z06.the old viper have bumper based tailpipes

I mean is there any differences between the Z06 sold in Europe and the ones here besides the large price tag.

I do remember watching on TV about the Frankfurt Auto Show around when the SRT-10 came out. They showed the Viper sold in Europe, and it sported exhaust pipes from the back bumper rather than under the door as in the states.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I mean is there any differences between the Z06 sold in Europe and the ones here besides the large price tag.

I do remember watching on TV about the Frankfurt Auto Show around when the SRT-10 came out. They showed the Viper sold in Europe, and it sported exhaust pipes from the back bumper rather than under the door as in the states.

as far as i know the uk spec srt10 are brought in by prodrive but they dont make the exhausts at the rear and the Z06 isnt "offically" sold in the uk