Brexit - The UK leaves the EU

[baldgye]

Also worth noting

 

[baldgye]

There is another anti-Brexit March in London today

Although we can’t confirm all the people here are British....


Edit:
In the interests of fairness there is a pro Brexit march also happening too...

Again, I must stress; it cannot be confirmed if all of the people in the march are British.

 

[PzR Slim]

There is another anti-Brexit March in London today




Although we can’t confirm all the people here are British....

I reckon people have cloned themselves so they appear numerous times.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I don't condone any petitions being hacked by any point of view. All of them should be taken with a pinch of salt and the only truly verifiable thing was the actual referendum.

The referendum that a court found the winning side acted illegally in, the referendum that made untrue, unfulfil-able promises, or the referendum that Boris Johnson thought foreign actors might meddle with? Just wondering aloud.

 

[baldgye]

The referendum that a court found the winning side acted illegally in, the referendum that made untrue, unfulfil-able promises, or the referendum that Boris Johnson thought foreign actors might meddle with? Just wondering aloud.

And!

Don’t forget the one that’s winning parties main backer is now being criminally investigated, as it’s believed the money funding Leave could have come from Russia

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...cy-over-suspected-offences-in-brexit-campaign

 

[Robin]

Again, I must stress; it cannot be confirmed if all of the people in the march are British.

I bet the vast majority are continental European nationals living here. Again, is there any process of controlling who's in that march like the referendum?

The referendum that a court found the winning side acted illegally in, the referendum that made untrue, unfulfil-able promises, or the referendum that Boris Johnson thought foreign actors might meddle with? Just wondering aloud.

As had already been stated in this thread there no proof that any of that swayed the voting whatsoever. Also those 'unfulfillable' promises cannot be classed as fulfilled or unfulfilled until we have actually left. Did that £350 million have an actioned time limit written on the bus?

 

[PzR Slim]

As had already been stated in this thread there no proof that any of that swayed the voting whatsoever.

What’s the point in having the rules then?

‘One of the key rules set out by Parliament to ensure fairness, confidence and legitimacy.’

 

[Robin]

What’s the point in having the rules then?

‘One of the key rules set out by Parliament to ensure fairness, confidence and legitimacy.’

All politics are to a certain extent 'dirty' whether it verges on the realms of illegality or not it's still happening everywhere and most of it is so subversive it never gets found out in any quantifiable way. The rules are just there to guide society but it can't totally be controlled.

But it still doesn't change the fact that when someone puts a tick on the piece of paper it cannot be known if anything had an influence on that vote.

 

[TenEightyOne]

But it still doesn't change the fact that when someone puts a tick on the piece of paper it cannot be known if anything had an influence on that vote.

What is known is that for the avoidance of doubt there are strict, legally-binding rules in place for such things. Leave broke them and thereby the law.

I bet the vast majority are continental European nationals living here.

Oh, I see.

Did that £350 million have an actioned time limit written on the bus?

It didn't need one - any British English speakers, up-to-and-including EU or non-EU nationals would understand the implication that we pay the EU £350 million per week, let's spend it on our NHS instead.

whether it verges on the realms of illegality or not it's still happening everywhere

Which is why it would pay to be careful about which dirty tricks one calls illegitimate or legitimate. As it happens I quite agree with you that there's no way to know if the current Parliamentary petition is genuine and lots of reason to suspect it's not (figures from cyber-experts seem to suggest a tamper error around 5%). The difficulty is when that's contrasted against a referendum that plainly, evidently broke the rules and made promises that were not true.

There is, as you say, no way to know how the actions of Leave, Cambridge Analytica, Johnson et. al. swayed the vote but it seems fair to presume that they wouldn't have done the things they did if they thought they'd have no effect.

 

[Robin]

What is known is that for the avoidance of doubt there are strict, legally-binding rules in place for such things. Leave broke them and thereby the law.

Then why was the referendum not made null and void?

I'm not defending some of Leave's actions but the government was smart enough to know that you can't assume large amounts of people were swayed by them... so they went ahead with triggering article 50 to honour the vote.

Some (and I stress some) campaigning that broke the law doesn't equal an illegal vote.

It didn't need one - any British English speakers, up-to-and-including EU or non-EU nationals would understand the implication that we pay the EU £350 million per week, let's spend it on our NHS instead.

Any person would know something like that can't happen overnight. Even after leaving most would understand and there would be a period of instability and reorganisation of public spending. The fact that that £350 million could take a while to enter the pipeline (years) is not unreasonable. There is not way of knowing if that spending figure will never not be reached some day.

It didn't say "let's spend it on our NHS instead... tomorrow"

 

[TenEightyOne]

Then why was the referendum not made null and void?

That's a good question. Leave have only just been refused their appeal so it remains to be seen what happens. The problem is that the referendum wasn't binding and that overturning it wouldn't have any effect on subsequent legislation.

 

[Biggles]

I bet the vast majority are continental European nationals living here.

Exactly! Like the millions of illegal immigrants who voted in the 2016 US election.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

It's shocking how last minute everything is, only now are MPs trying to figure out what kind of deal they will find acceptable.

 

[baldgye]

I bet the vast majority are continental European nationals living here. Again, is there any process of controlling who's in that march like the referendum?

The evil evil ****ers how dare they?!!!!!

Coming here, taking our jobs, women, money, nhs and now taking our marches too!!!!???

 

[PzR Slim]

I bet the vast majority are continental European nationals living here. Again, is there any process of controlling who's in that march like the referendum?

I had to revisit this post as I missed this quoted bit. This is possibly one of the most tin foil hat comments I have ever read on here.

 

[Robin]

I had to revisit this post as I missed this quoted bit. This is possibly one of the most tin foil hat comments I have ever read on here.

London has a large population of foreign nationals from continental Europe and they are likely to have a vested interest in the outcome of this decision (not that they have a legal say as they aren't UK citizens) so why would it be surprising if they do make up a large number of those marching?

But of course you read it the way you wanted it to be read just like your casually ignoring plenty of pig ignorant presumptive 'tin foil' comments about Brexiteers littered through this thread... not seen those then?

 

[baldgye]

OVER ONE MILLION FOREIGNERS MARCHED TODAY TO DESTORY DEMOCRACY



pls I’m struggling to be more sarcastic

 

[PzR Slim]

London has an large population of foreign nationals from continental Europe and they are likely to have a vested interest in the outcome of this decision (not that they have a legal say as they aren't UK citizens) so why would it be surprising if they do make up a large number of those marching?

But of course you read it the way you wanted it to be read just like your casually ignoring plenty of pig ignorant presumptive 'tin foil' comments about Brexiteers littered through this thread... not seen those then?

That’s maybe the second!

Check twitter and read the hundreds of tweets from people all over the country who set off this morning, some on coaches, to march today. I’m sure there were some continental europeans at the march today. However, someone who claims they made up the ‘vast majority’ has zero credibility in my eyes.

 

[PzR Slim]

The Police have estimated two million people took part in the march today.

 

[baldgye]

The Police have estimated two million people took part in the march today.

Pft and by ‘people’ you mean evil foreigners!

 

[PzR Slim]

Things just got even more interesting!

 

[TenEightyOne]

Meanwhile...

 

[MatskiMonk]

**** me, "Where's Wally" is getting difficult...


.. this one was much easier,

 

[Liquid]

London has a large population of foreign nationals from continental Europe

And Brexit will greatly affect their lives too. Why is it such a problem that they might be involved in a march?

 

[Robin]

And Brexit will greatly affect their lives too. Why is it such a problem that they might be involved in a march?

It's not a problem, I just think to use it and the online petition as some sort of indicator up against the referendum is misguided because the people in both can be anyone, and its likely to be that demographic.

Also the future of a country is for its citizens to decide, not foreign workers. Funny how people take issue with foreign intervention in a countries politics when it doesn't go their way (such as the foreign intervention being touted as occurring in swaying the US presidency) but are totally fine with it trying to bring down a democratic vote in another.

 

[Blitz24]

It's not a problem, I just think to use it and the online petition as some sort of indicator up against the referendum is misguided because the people in both can be anyone, and its likely to be that demographic.

Also the future of a country is for its citizens to decide, not foreign workers. Funny how people take issue with foreign intervention in a countries politics when it doesn't go their way (such as the foreign intervention being touted as occurring in swaying the US presidency) but are totally fine with it trying to bring down a democratic vote in another.

"As long as it doesn't affect me personally, I don't care" - Pretty much everyone.

 

[TenEightyOne]

London has a large population of foreign nationals from continental Europe and they are likely to have a vested interest in the outcome of this decision (not that they have a legal say as they aren't UK citizens) so why would it be surprising if they do make up a large number of those marching?

This belief you have that the march was largely made up of foreign nationals is, on reflection, one of the most Brexit things I've heard. Perhaps it's too difficult to accept that British people travelled from across Britain to protest at one of the most important times in living political memory?

Unrelated Edit: Spotted a gem on Twitter: "Infamy, infamy... they've all got it in for May"

 

[baldgye]

my favourite sign from the march;

 

[Tired Tyres]

my favourite sign from the march;

That makes YOU a rasist.

 

[PzR Slim]

That makes YOU a rasist.

What’s a rasist?