Britain - The Official Thread

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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
Robin
All the furore was because it exactly looks like he said it. If it was so clear cut that he didn't say it none of this would have all kicked off.
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All the furore over something every knows can't be put down to an exact science (haven't we had a very similar issue not so long ago...), and all the usual suspects start rolling out their "experts" (none of which have any real qualifications in the matter) so provide statements that contradict the other.

For all the criticisms that I think you can rightly lay on Jeremy Corbyn, I don't think being a misogynist or a liar are two.
 
When somebody does say "stupid woman", why is it treated as if they said "all women are stupid"? It doesn't make sense to me. Calling somebody a woman is not an insult or sexist. To act as if it is, is to act as if there's something wrong with being a woman. Which is sexist.
 
polysmut
When somebody does say "stupid woman", why is it treated as if they said "all women are stupid"? It doesn't make sense to me. Calling somebody a woman is not an insult or sexist. To act as if it is, is to act as if there's something wrong with being a woman. Which is sexist.
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Not really. There's a cultural and historic context to this. You can't just ignore all that and add a 21st century spin to it.
 
ExigeEvan
Not really. There's a cultural and historic context to this. You can't just ignore all that and add a 21st century spin to it.
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I suspect you're right, otherwise there wouldn't be the same reaction that we've seen to the recent incident and the previous one involving the speaker.
However, I've lived in the UK for almost 4 decades and don't realise the cultural and historic context. My question was genuine, why is calling somebody a stupid woman worse than calling them a stupid person? What is the history behind it?
 
It's strange to me how the factually-correct word woman is the word people are up in arms about rather than the subject-to-interpretation and more offensive word stupid.

This 100% maximum polarisation victim culture, where it happens on behalf of other people a lot of the time, really does baffle me.
 
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He would be lynched in today's society.
 
Liquid
It's strange to me how the factually-correct word woman is the word people are up in arms about rather than the subject-to-interpretation and more offensive word stupid.

This 100% maximum polarisation victim culture, where it happens on behalf of other people a lot of the time, really does baffle me.
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You should understand there is a war between the sexes. And its not going to end well for either one of them.
 
It's like "Oh he's a man, he wouldn't understand", it's quite a commonly heard sentence but if you say "Oh shes a woman, she wouldn't understand".... watch the fallout!

Both are gender loaded but only one is considered offensive :rolleyes:
 
Liquid
It's strange to me how the factually-correct word woman is the word people are up in arms about rather than the subject-to-interpretation and more offensive word stupid.

This 100% maximum polarisation victim culture, where it happens on behalf of other people a lot of the time, really does baffle me.
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Dissecting it into component parts isn't the issue.

There's a long history of women being dismissed in society, science and industry because they were deemed to be the 'stupid' sex. Women weren't allowed to vote, they weren't allowed education and they had few claims to property and rights.

On top of all that, the houses of parliament has a very formal manner of people addressing members of the house. To potentially deviate from that and then to deny such accusations is politically sensitive in the pantomime of parliament.

I don't think he said it.
 
Even the Queen's speech isn't immune from being slated now.

Loads of people on Twitter are bashing it because it was a speech about coming together in hard times and poverty, yet she was sat in front of a solid gold piano and wearing silk.
 
polysmut
Was it immune from that in the past?
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Before social media became prevalent it was a lot easier to keep a lid on "Emperor's New Clothes" sentiments like this. Time to release a countertweet and/or press statement emphasising Her Maj's charity work, perhaps.

That golden piano in the background may have been a bit much under the circumstances, though. :lol:

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ExigeEvan
On top of all that, the houses of parliament has a very formal manner of people addressing members of the house. To potentially deviate from that and then to deny such accusations is politically sensitive in the pantomime of parliament.
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They also take potshots at each other in a very formal manner, and aren't above a highly formal booing and hissing session. I mean, in the UK Parliament calling someone "dodgy" is apparently a step too far.

Warning, John Oliver does like his swears.



Calling someone stupid is basically grounds for dismissal, and calling someone a woman is high treason. The English do not have woman, never saw a woman, definitely never touched a woman, and it would be inappropriate to be caught even thinking about being in the same time zone as a woman. As everyone knows, all English are men and they reproduce by imbibing enough mushy peas and warm beer until their gut develops sentience, puts on a hoodie and moves into a flat with 11 of it's mates.

Lizard
Loads of people on Twitter are bashing it because it was a speech about coming together in hard times and poverty, yet she was sat in front of a solid gold piano and wearing silk.
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It's gilded, not solid. A solid gold piano would weigh a ton and sound crummy.
 
Happy New Year, Britain thread. Something not Brexit related!



It's uh, food for thought.
 

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