Britain - The Official Thread

[Touring Mars]

She's shown plenty of regret... for herself.

AFAIK, she is not actually facing any charges in Syria where she fled to and where (I believe) she still is, but that her lawyers are arguing that her inability to return to the UK means that she may claim Bangladeshi citizenship, but the Bangladeshi government have said that they will also refuse her permission to enter the country and the penalty for attempting to enter the country illegally is hanging.

It would appear, therefore, that she is up a Syrian creek without a passport.

 

[Dennisch]

She deserves to be found by angry family members of the victims of ISIS.

 

[TenEightyOne]

'plight'

I'm still not sure that we're doing this case properly.

The fact remains that at its heart this is a child grooming case. Convincing kids to travel with you for any nefarious cause is grooming, however one might try to justify it. If Begum had begun otherwise then would it be the same outcome? It's a fair question when our country has the names of white terrorist children on statues and allows their groomers to hold Parliamentary seats.

If she has crimes to answer for then she should answer for them in court, and she should do that in Britain, the place that failed to spot the radicalisation that was going on, failed to prevent children from travelling abroad in its name, and is now failing to do the right thing and try her in a British court before banging her up in a British prison.

Anyway, here's an interesting story... weddings must have the important words in Welsh or English to be legal. Cornish b'ain't allowed, inn'em.

 

[MatskiMonk]

I have to agree. I'm not that bothered what the outcome for her personally is myself, but as a process this is a mess.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I'm still not sure that we're doing this case properly.

The fact remains that at its heart this is a child grooming case. Convincing kids to travel with you for any nefarious cause is grooming, however one might try to justify it. If Begum had begun otherwise then would it be the same outcome? It's a fair question when our country has the names of white terrorist children on statues and allows their groomers to hold Parliamentary seats.

If she has crimes to answer for then she should answer for them in court, and she should do that in Britain, the place that failed to spot the radicalisation that was going on, failed to prevent children from travelling abroad in its name, and is now failing to do the right thing and try her in a British court before banging her up in a British prison.

Anyway, here's an interesting story... weddings must have the important words in Welsh or English to be legal. Cornish b'ain't allowed, inn'em.

I agree that it is grooming, although she should still be punished.

I wonder if people have some sympathy for her as they might for child soldiers.

 

[Touring Mars]

I have a hard time seeing Begum as the victim here - I have no sympathy at all for other ISIS 'victims' who blew themselves up killing innocent people, like the Manchester Arena bomber whose actions Begum tried to justify. I appreciate that there is at least some argument for not stripping her on her citizenship, but there's also a pretty good reason for barring her from entry back into the UK. It might have helped her case if, as an adult, she could have conveyed some sense of remorse, of which she seems utterly incapable.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I have a hard time seeing Begum as the victim here - I have no sympathy at all for other ISIS 'victims' who blew themselves up killing innocent people, like the Manchester Arena bomber whose actions Begum tried to justify. I appreciate that there is at least some argument for not stripping her on her citizenship, but there's also a pretty good reason for barring her from entry back into the UK. It might have helped her case if, as an adult, she could have conveyed some sense of remorse, of which she seems utterly incapable.

She doesn't strike me as having a great deal of brain power. That's not an excuse but it explains how children are groomed in the first place. I'm sure there are members of this forum who, if girls were being groomed to be Wives at Rotherham's Top Curry, would be frothing at the posts. Exporting those fifteen year old wives is obviously a safer bet because then they become One Of You and are rejected by their country of origin.

This idiot girl has been in that position, she's had three children that have died, and she's stuck in a refugee camp. She remains a British citizen (or should do), that isn't how we treat our citizens whether they're with or without liberty. Begum should very clearly (imo) not be at liberty but she should reach that point through a British court. After all, she's either committed a crime that can be heard in Britain or she hasn't. If she hasn't then there's no need to withdraw her citizenship.

The difficulty in this case is that it's an emotive one that plays to a brown terrorist agenda (imo) in ways that white terrorism doesn't. I made a specific point of drawing comparisons between white child soldiers that have operated in the UK. Begum remains responsible for her actions and words as an adult but surely there's got to be some common sense about the intentional indoctrination of kids who are groomed to go out to ISIS?

 

[HenrySwanson]

She's both victim and perpetrator. I'm not sure how much this should affect what punishment she receives.

 

[Dotini]

...surely there's got to be some common sense about the intentional indoctrination of kids who are groomed to go out to ISIS?

Common sense might dictate democratic law, rights and aspirations be set aside depending on the threat. Pandemic and 9/11 are the relevant examples.

 

[Famine]

Deputy Leader of the Labour and Cooperative Party forgets that Jews exist. More at ten.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Nick the Greek is at the 'prayers' stage after being transferred by umbrella to a hospital that's better for his heart. Presumably has fewer, well, you know.

And kudos to the Metro for still getting Diana on the front page after all these years. Mental.

 

[UKMikey]

Presumably has fewer, well, you know.

Unfortunately, I do know. Full marks to that one royal PR person for attempting to alleviate the furore over that time he described some messy wiring as "looks like it was put in by an Indian" by explaining that "he meant to say put in by a cowboy". Duke of Edinburgh award-worthy spin.

 

[Liquid]

I can't believe how evil Meghan Markle is. Her gold-digging actions broke Philip's heart which will end up killing him.

She should be put on trail for treason.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Unfortunately, I do know. Full marks to that one royal PR person for attempting to alleviate the furore over that time he described some messy wiring as "looks like it was put in by an Indian" by explaining that "he meant to say put in by a cowboy". Duke of Edinburgh award-worthy spin.

Wait, so why hasn't he been "cancelled"....

 

[Sureboss]

I can't believe how evil Meghan Markle is. Her gold-digging actions broke Philip's heart which will end up killing him.

She should be put on trail for treason.

I think your post needs to be in bold and all caps, and maybe you should change your name to The Daily Liquid.

 

[UKMikey]

Wait, so why hasn't he been "cancelled"....

Considering the current state of his health it sounds like his cancellation is imminent.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Considering the current state of his health it sounds like his cancellation is imminent.

As the consort to the head of the Church of England (Fidei Defensor, divinely chosen) he should be a heavenly shoo-in. Perhaps the negotiations are going on longer than they thought?

 

[UKMikey]

As the consort to the head of the Church of England (Fidei Defensor, divinely chosen) he should be a heavenly shoo-in. Perhaps the negotiations are going on longer than they thought?

If it's rank rather than good works that gets one in the door, does the FD consort thing count as a get out of hell free card if your husband beheads you for adultery? Just wondering.

 

[Liquid]

As the consort to the head of the Church of England (Fidei Defensor, divinely chosen) he should be a heavenly shoo-in. Perhaps the negotiations are going on longer than they thought?

Was born Orthodox though. No wonder he's spent 90 years overcompensating his Englishness; just trying to make sure to stay in the Anglican good books.

 

[MatskiMonk]

... and ...

 

[Liquid]

"There's no money for NHS pay rises", cry ministers and Cabinet members.

*Matt Hancock enters the chat*

 

[Stotty]

No money for pay rises because they've blown £400bn with their ridiculous Coivd response.

£400bn... 3 times the entire annual NHS budget. A fraction of that £400bn could have delivered massive infrastructure improvements (and a corresponding increase in jobs) that would have benefited the country for decades to come. Instead, it's been wasted paying people to sit at home and do nothing and will take decades to pay off.

The worst government Britain has had in generations.

 

[Liquid]

I always knew about it of course but I did often wonder "Why did people hate the Tories so much in the 1980s?" These past few years have left anybody born since then, like myself, with no doubts at all.

Anybody with memories of both able to compare and contrast? Which bunch of :censored:houses is the worse one?

 

[PeterJB]

Probably won't be seeing Matt Hancock go up against Piers Morgan again any time soon.

 

[Famine]

The private sector is looking at a 1% pay rise right now and wondering where exactly it signs up for that. If people had jobs left to go to so they can have pay rises, of course.

Our economy has contracted by 10% in 12 months - part Brexit for sure, but also COVID, as many European economies also contracted by 5% or more - and unemployment is now up to its highest level in six years.

Instead, it's been wasted paying people to sit at home and do nothing

Quite a lot of people had jobs that were impossible to do during the pandemic and lockdown(s), but still had bills to pay. How would you have solved this?

 

[TenEightyOne]

No money for pay rises because they've blown £400bn with their ridiculous Coivd response.

Would homeless families be a better option? Should highly-transmissible businesses have just stayed open and not been sheeple? What should they have done?

Most here will know that I'm no fan of them Tory *****, and I feel that much has been lacking in their anticipatory planning in every single phase of the crisis, but furloughing is surely the right thing to do?

Which bunch of :censored:houses is the worse one?

Yes.

 

[Stotty]

I always knew about it of course but I did often wonder "Why did people hate the Tories so much in the 1980s?" These past few years have left anybody born since then, like myself, with no doubts at all.

Anybody with memories of both able to compare and contrast? Which bunch of :censored:houses is the worse one?

Not everyone hated the Tories in the 80's... Personally, I'd see them as one of the best governments our country has ever had.

Quite a lot of people had jobs that were impossible to do during the pandemic and lockdown(s), but still had bills to pay. How would you have solved this?

Would homeless families be a better option? Should highly-transmissible businesses have just stayed open and not been sheeple? What should they have done?

Most here will know that I'm no fan of them Tory *****, and I feel that much has been lacking in their anticipatory planning in every single phase of the crisis, but furloughing is surely the right thing to do?
Yes.

A significantly less expensive solution would have been one that didn't involve restrictions destroying the lives, futures and freedoms of the entire population (the majority of whom Covid was not a significant threat) to protect the lives of the relatively small number of people who were at risk of serious illness or death.

Not only would it have been cheaper, but the over 75's (plus anyone with contributing health issues) could have been protected more effectively through an organised and targeted isolation plan that fully supported them.

Let's say there were (worst case) 10 million people at serious risk (5 million over 75's, plus another 5 million under 75 who have contributing illnesses/conditions)... a plan that provided these people with safe accommodation (if needed), delivered shopping services, income support, utilities support, in home medical visits etc would have cost far less than £40,000 per individual.

A further benefit of properly protecting those at risk would have been the NHS could have done more than just treat Covid for the past 12 months... which would have significantly reduced the future potential premature deaths of the 100's of thousands of people who missed cancer screenings this year... or reduced the now 12 month waiting list for routine procedures like hip replacements, or cataract operations.

The actions of our government have been catastrophic.

Still, the public sector, a lot of whom have sat on their arses at home for most of the year can now bitch and moan because they are only going to gt a 1% pay rise. They are lucky to still have a job.

 

[Famine]

(the majority of whom Covid was not a significant threat)

Let's say there were (worst case) 10 million people at serious risk (5 million over 75's, plus another 5 million under 75 who have contributing illnesses/conditions)

 

[MatskiMonk]

Still, the public sector, a lot of whom have sat on their arses at home for most of the year can now bitch and moan because they are only going to gt a 1% pay rise. They are lucky to still have a job.

Dude with final salary pension until the day he dies, owns two houses - one here, one in Spain - is semi-retired at 54 thinks staff on the front line during Covid epidemic were sat on their arses, and should be grateful for 1% pay rise...

.. makes sense.

 

[Liquid]

Not everyone hated the Tories in the 80's... Personally, I'd see them as one of the best governments our country has ever had.

Go on.