Britain - The Official Thread

[PeterJB]

All I can think of when I see that is this:

 

[axletramp]

Blame the Welsh and their bloody green! You can see why the left it out before.

 

[Wiegert]

Oh, and I've tightened up my Union Flag design. More even stripes and a slightly lighter blue to stop it looking black* in certain situations.



*Not a racist.

Finally! Hungary get the recognition th- wait...

Works for me. Perhaps a black field could be an option if you wished to further Welshify it. Bonus points for satisfying the Cornish population as a result.

All I can think of when I see that is this:

Nothing wrong with the Castrol colours. Unless you stick the company logo in the centre of a national flag like I did earlier.

 

[Liquid]

I love AT's updated flag, I really do.

 

[axletramp]

I love AT's updated flag, I really do.

Thanken you. Although you did have some input, plus I'm a quarter Welsh, so technically it's more Welsh than English.

 

[Famine]

Why do we need green in it at all? The Welsh dragon is red - and Welsh national sports teams play in red. The Northern Ireland flag is a red cross with a red hand on it. England's flag is a red cross. So let's just go red.


Of course we'll be attacked by many bulls and it'll lead to confusion at top tier races, but it'll be worth it.

Alternatively:

 

[Liquid]

Why do we need green in it at all? The Welsh dragon is red - and Welsh national sports teams play in red. The Northern Ireland flag is a red cross with a red hand on it. England's flag is a red cross. So let's just go red.

Because with the current design the Welsh flag is the only one with no representation and having the Irish saltire is anachronistic in itself, but the English cross doubles up with the Northern Irish one I suppose.

Adding green from the Welsh flag, not necessarily the Welsh identity, would be a neat idea and a thin green stripe is the least likely addition to greatly spoil the design. Having the dragon or somehow incorporating green or white coloured rectangles would look hideous.

 

[Famine]

It's represented in a flag that is wholly red.

 

[Liquid]

Only through another flag and not its own. I simply disagree that the flag represents the entire Kingdom when the design which make up this representation does not include anything from the flag of one of the constituent countries.

Simply having colour as representation is a trivial argument; Wales has representation on the Austrian flag because they play in red and have two red stripes. It's the principle.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Only through another flag and not its own. I simply disagree that the flag represents the entire Kingdom when the design which make up this representation does not include anything from the flag of one of the constituent countries.

Simply having colour as representation is a trivial argument; Wales has representation on the Austrian flag because they play in red and have two red stripes. It's the principle.

Wales only has one symbol, the red dragon. The green and white are the Tudor king's colours... but I'd say that red is the primary heraldic colour.

 

[Liquid]

Wales only has one symbol, the red dragon. The green and white are the English Tudor king's colours... so I'd say that red is the primary heraldic colour.

Leek, daffodil, St. David's cross and the flag of Glyndwr would disagree with this.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Leek, daffodil, St. David's cross and the flag of Glyndwr would disagree with this.

Yeah, I got the Tudors' nationality wrong too. Although Cadwaldr and the Romans beat Glyndwr by a long time.

 

[Famine]

Only through another flag and not its own. I simply disagree that the flag represents the entire Kingdom when the design which make up this representation does not include anything from the flag of one of the constituent countries.

It includes the red dragon from the middle. Or, alternatively, the national football/rugby teams' shirts - they could play literally draped in their own flag.


If you're into demarcating patterns, we should have stars to indicate the constituent countries. I reckon one large one to show the Union and smaller ones nearby to show England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. They should be in a colour that doesn't single out any one of the countries, so perhaps a colour that doesn't form the field on any of the flags, like yellow maybe.

 

[ExigeEvan]

It's represented in a flag that is wholly red.

Flags are designed by people with specific considerations. It is no secret that the Union Jack was designed without consideration for any Welsh representation.

It's complete nonsense to argue that red in the flag is representative of Wales.

 

[Famine]

It's complete nonsense to argue that red in the flag is representative of Wales.

What does the colour of shirt the guy in your avatar represent then?

And I'm not arguing that because the Union Flag has red in it that it represents Wales. I'm saying that an entirely red flag would contain the common colours of the Welsh, English and Northern Irish flags. And, if the fact I posted about an entirely red flag and then posted a corporate sponsored Union Flag wasn't enough of a clue I was taking the piss, the fact I just described a new Union Flag as the Chinese flag should have been.

 

[Liquid]

I'm saying that an entirely red flag would contain the common colours of the Welsh, English and Northern Irish flags.

I hadn't picked up on this point, actually. Your posts make more sense now that I've re-read them with this in mind.

 

[ExigeEvan]

What does the colour of shirt the guy in your avatar represent then?

And I'm not arguing that because the Union Flag has red in it that it represents Wales. I'm saying that an entirely red flag would contain the common colours of the Welsh, English and Northern Irish flags. And, if the fact I posted about an entirely red flag and then posted a corporate sponsored Union Flag wasn't enough of a clue I was taking the piss, the fact I just described a new Union Flag as the Chinese flag should have been.

Fair point, and I'll admit I reacted in defensive Welsh manner.

 

[axletramp]

All red looks a bit lame though. Slightly like the Crass logo too.



So, the most obvious solution is to ditch the green, therefore coming full circle with red, white and blue again. Just with a different and darker blue. Helps out with the redesign of the Australian and New Zealand flags as well. (I've left the diagonals thicker to differentiate it from the current flag)

 

[Liquid]

I think Famine meant all red. As in, a communist Libya flag.

Before their 2010 redesign obviously.

 

[Famine]

Yep - like France's is all white.

 

[BobK]

Helps out with the redesign of the Australian and New Zealand flags as well.

Which does bring up a bit of a question: If the UK were to change their flag, would Australia and/or NZ be obligated in any way to change theirs accordingly?

Yep - like France's is all white.

Actually that's their battle ensign.

 

[Wiegert]

Which does bring up a bit of a question: If the UK were to change their flag, would Australia and/or NZ be obligated in any way to change theirs accordingly?

Or use it as a renewed opportunity to change from a defaced British blue ensign to something more distinctive. Ideas have been floating around for decades in both countries. Many have a more tribal design that moves away from the colonial ensign, like incorporating the silver fern (NZ) or official national colours like green and gold, as well as the national animal (Australia).

 

[Sureboss]

Australia have a flag ready.

 

[Liquid]

These things are neither permanent nor changeable. Hawaii still uses the British ensign in their state flag, for some reason.

 

[MatskiMonk]

So...

Hospital records of all NHS patients sold to insurers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...rds-of-all-NHS-patients-sold-to-insurers.html

This is bad news. I've got a good idea of exactly what my medical history says, and I know people who've struggled with mortgages because insurers don't want to touch them.

 

[Keef]

These things are neither permanent nor changeable. Hawaii still uses the British ensign in their state flag, for some reason.

The two had a close relationship back in the day, long before it became a US territory. Why the US didn't make them banish it I don't know. I'm thinking of burning me a Hawaii flag right now just for good measure.

EDIT: To this day, native Hawaiians are hostile to whites. I've got a couple friends who lived in backwoods Hawaii for a while until they came back to Ohio. Going out in the country after dark was strongly avoided but the big cities are totally fine. They say the contrast in attitudes is pretty crazy.

 

[homeforsummer]

Michael Gove's new genius plan: Change school holiday dates so parents can benefit from cheaper holiday prices.

Sometimes I wonder whether Gove lives in the real world or not. Change the school holidays, and travel companies will change the times at which the prices rise and fall. It's pretty much the most basic, GCSE-level supply and demand. Staggering holiday dates will make next to no difference. Apart from make holidays more expensive for everyone else over what used to be off-peak times.

 

[Liquid]

This is the same man who attempted to hammer home the point that his government appoints people based on merit.

Where is his merit, skill, experience or worthyness for his position?

 

[Tired Tyres]

Michael Gove's new genius plan: Change school holiday dates so parents can benefit from cheaper holiday prices.

Sometimes I wonder whether Gove lives in the real world or not. Change the school holidays, and travel companies will change the times at which the prices rise and fall. It's pretty much the most basic, GCSE-level supply and demand. Staggering holiday dates will make next to no difference. Apart from make holidays more expensive for everyone else over what used to be off-peak times.

He's the Education Secretary. Doesn't that position require at least some IQ points?

 

[Azuremen]

EDIT: To this day, native Hawaiians are hostile to whites. I've got a couple friends who lived in backwoods Hawaii for a while until they came back to Ohio. Going out in the country after dark was strongly avoided but the big cities are totally fine. They say the contrast in attitudes is pretty crazy.

Probably something to do with the corrupt cops on many of the smaller islands. Which "backwoods" (I'm guessing Kona side of the big Isle or Kauai) did your friends come from, as I've never heard much along these lines from my many friends of the various islands.