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And Milton Keynes is bang on.
Britain - The Official Thread
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I don't get it.
Here's the full story... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-28783990
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I hope everyone can see this; if not I'll try to find another link.
A man notices that the operator of a marked speed detection vehicle is actually a civilian. What happened next was amazing, earn $8000 a minute from home, find out the 8 foods that make you into Brad Pitt, etc, etc.
In seriousness there's a real issue here. Fortunately the male officer seems to realise when enough is enough. The female officer looks a right cow
A man notices that the operator of a marked speed detection vehicle is actually a civilian. What happened next was amazing, earn $8000 a minute from home, find out the 8 foods that make you into Brad Pitt, etc, etc.
In seriousness there's a real issue here. Fortunately the male officer seems to realise when enough is enough. The female officer looks a right cow
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I hope everyone can see this; if not I'll try to find another link.
A man notices that the operator of a marked speed detection vehicle is actually a civilian. What happened next was amazing, earn $8000 a minute from home, find out the 8 foods that make you into Brad Pitt, etc, etc.
In seriousness there's a real issue here. Fortunately the male officer seems to realise when enough is enough. The female officer looks a right cow
All I took from that video is the Grant Pain sounds like an annoying wazzock. I mean, I'll take your word for it that there's a real issue, but at no point was any actual point made, or put in context.
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I lol'd, as if people are so dim when taking the photo to not notice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-28794870
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-28794870
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Corker isn't it! I didn't even know twitter and Facebook existed then either. 
There's already been some parody pics of this knocking around the t'interwebz. My favourites so far are the one where the bottle is a bong and one where she's holding a remote and the picture is a flat screen TV with Sky on it.
There's already been some parody pics of this knocking around the t'interwebz. My favourites so far are the one where the bottle is a bong and one where she's holding a remote and the picture is a flat screen TV with Sky on it.
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He will enter the UKIP hustings in order to get the chance to stand as his party's candidate for South Thanet.
Good on him. He was in the ring to contest Newark according to the press, but didn't stand because, in his words, he has no connections to Newark. He was at least actually born in Kent (Orpington, at the opposite end of the M2 from South Thanet), lives in Kent (Orpington again) and represents Kent (well... the South East - Kent, East Sussex, West Sussex, Hampshire & IOW, Surrey, Berks, Bucks and Oxfordshire) in the European Parliament.
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@prisonermonkeys, if you'd wondered where Big Tony was over the last few days... he's been in London talking about Scottish Independence.
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Big Tony?
No, it's Phoney Tony, or Tony Baloney.
No, it's Phoney Tony, or Tony Baloney.
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I hope everyone can see this; if not I'll try to find another link.
A man notices that the operator of a marked speed detection vehicle is actually a civilian. What happened next was amazing, earn $8000 a minute from home, find out the 8 foods that make you into Brad Pitt, etc, etc.
In seriousness there's a real issue here. Fortunately the male officer seems to realise when enough is enough. The female officer looks a right cow
A very interesting video. The description underneath where I saw it intrigued me.
How true is this? And how true is it that a civilian is allowed to operate a police vehicle, particularly a marked one, without an officer?
Oh. And PINAC. I'm glad he did this, it's good to see the police in action and / or call their methods into question. We shouldn't bend to the will of the police, particularly if they are overstepping their boundaries. Looking forward to hearing about the outcome of it.
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I was interested that a couple of people didn't seem to feel there was much of an issue there; not just me then
It seems that UK law has changed fairly recently to allow certain circumstances where a police officer's role in capturing evidence is diminished and a "trained support worker" is allowed to take over. I'm still looking into that but if it wasn't legal for a CO to use the equipment then surely that would have been challenged hundreds of times already?
The officer's conduct at the door is pretty crappy I have to say, and I think her colleague knows it. He does a better job, keeps it sensible and knows when to give it up.
The outcome will be that he'll get a lot of parking tickets from now on.
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If we didn't know this was happening, then there was no way of us even finding out to challenge until this chap actually waltzes up to the speed camera van to investigate. Plus, I did think it was a bit odd that the man manning the speed camera was so reluctant to to either be on camera or engage with the chap filming him.
Assuming everything is above board, why didn't the van man say "Actually, sir, I am a trained support worker and have the right and jurisdiction to operate this vehicle and its equipment" or words to that effect? He looked like he'd been completely rumbled and backed into a corner with no way out. He did nothing other than imply "Oh bugger, I've been caught out. Deny everything!"
If you are a police officer, or even a police 'worker' in this case, shying away from even being seen on camera does nothing to help you and only inflames those who disapprove of invasive policing.
And if this is illegal, then my god what crooks do we have manning the rulebooks.
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It's a good point.
In possible fairness to the police there's more we haven't seen; what happens at the end of the camera-van episode? Do regulars turn up? What happened before? The guy in the van definitely says "back again", does he mean "he's back again" or "I'll ring you back again"... it seems like there's been some contact beforehand either way.
Plus, @MatskiMonk seemed fairly relaxed iirc so maybe it's only people as old and grumpy as me who raise an eyebrow at the idea of a civvy operating a camera in a battenburg van?
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@TenEightyOne I don't see what the big deal is? It's a situation I've got entirely no context for..
What happened before, why was angry-welsh-man "back again"?
What's the problem with a trained civilian being in the van, for all we know he is an independent expert, or from the company that supplies the equipment?
Do we know he was even 'collecting evidence', perhaps he was just manning the van with the equipment off, to help slow-traffic on the road, and not take up valuable police time?
What's his issue with the female policeperson, okay she put a foot in the door, or else he'd have shut it, and then in order to simply have a quick word to try and discourage the man from doing it again, they have had to go get a warrant, or arrest him?? talk about wasting police time!!
He just comes across as an angry welsh man who has issues with authority. If some random slightly aggressive shouty stranger came up to me, "oooo ahhhh yew, I can filum yew I caaan", I'd have probably hit him!
Who knows maybe this guy has uncovered a massive international plot by a lone maverick tuuurist-cell to slow down traffic into his village.
Also, if you get done speeding, just take it like a man, you broke the law, don't try and get off on a technicality.
What happened before, why was angry-welsh-man "back again"?
What's the problem with a trained civilian being in the van, for all we know he is an independent expert, or from the company that supplies the equipment?
Do we know he was even 'collecting evidence', perhaps he was just manning the van with the equipment off, to help slow-traffic on the road, and not take up valuable police time?
What's his issue with the female policeperson, okay she put a foot in the door, or else he'd have shut it, and then in order to simply have a quick word to try and discourage the man from doing it again, they have had to go get a warrant, or arrest him?? talk about wasting police time!!
He just comes across as an angry welsh man who has issues with authority. If some random slightly aggressive shouty stranger came up to me, "oooo ahhhh yew, I can filum yew I caaan", I'd have probably hit him!
Who knows maybe this guy has uncovered a massive international plot by a lone maverick tuuurist-cell to slow down traffic into his village.
Also, if you get done speeding, just take it like a man, you broke the law, don't try and get off on a technicality.
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What if someone were to approach the Police vehicle in need of a police officers assistance?
Granted, there are police response and patrol/vehicles that handle those matters, but what if a passer-by had been mugged or attacked (highly unlikely, i know) in close proximity of the van and required assistance/help? Surely you'd expect help from someone in an official police vehicle.
Granted, there are police response and patrol/vehicles that handle those matters, but what if a passer-by had been mugged or attacked (highly unlikely, i know) in close proximity of the van and required assistance/help? Surely you'd expect help from someone in an official police vehicle.
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That slapping sound that you hear is 24 million people facepalming.
It's very embarrassing - it comes just two days after the federal treasurer said that "poor people don't drive cars".
It's interesting to see how he is perceived overseas - he condemned the previous government as one of the worst in Australia's history, but in the space of six months his government set records for new lows in unpopularity.
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You don't enter someone's property a little bit, you enter it or you don't. They had no reason to enter his property but she made a strong token point of putting her foot over the threshold. And guess what, if an officer wants to speak to you and they're outside your property and they're in it... you don't have to.
The action she took was an illegal one, that's all. I've seen much worse but it was illegal.
Have and did.
You seem to think that it's okay have policing undertaken by unwarranted civilian personnel. They don't carry notebooks, warrant cards, have no evidential or arrest powers outside those very limited ones available to any general member of the public. It's also okay for them to represent the person of an officer parked on a public highway. It's also okay for them to undertake those actions without their epaulette displayed. And to give criminal evidence against fellow members of the public. That last is a big distinction.
Given that you're also happy to allow unwarranted property entry presumably it'll be okay when the system's will have eroded away to the point where Neighbourhood Watch are allowed to search your house while you're at work?
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Not to say "This is what is happening to us" but this is exactly what the Stasi did in East Germany. They wiretapped every house and absolutely nobody knew until after the wall came down. Each memeber of the public had an officer assigned to tail and track them and they would indeed go into your house when you weren't there and muss up your things.
All in the pursuit of public 'safety'; if everyone is under lock and key, how can you commit a crime? By being the judge, jury and executioner, of course.
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Yes you do enter a little bit, a foot in the door isn't the same as letting yourself in and taking a poo on someones bed, he reacted as though it was the latter... I'm sure he'd have rather been arrested so he could bitch about that on facebook too.
I've always respected your posts, even those I have disagreed with, up until now.
The policing in question here, IF there was actually any, is undertaken by equipment - how much does it matter what uniform the person drinking coffee and eating sandwiches wears?
Please, I've made the distinction between a minor infraction that had no effect, and the need for an arrest warrant, or a warrant to search someones house.
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I don't have a problem with a civilian manning the camera. I've successfully reported people with my dash cam, and several government offices can enfore the law.
What I do have a problem with is a civilian in a police marked vehicle. There's just no need for those police badges on it. It's a small indiscretion, but having blue lights on your car is also impersonating an officer, even of it's just 2 LEDs on your washers.
What I do have a problem with is a civilian in a police marked vehicle. There's just no need for those police badges on it. It's a small indiscretion, but having blue lights on your car is also impersonating an officer, even of it's just 2 LEDs on your washers.
Legally there's no difference. And as an officer of the law she should know full well what she is and isn't allowed to do, and thus she willingly broke the law.
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