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I also could do with some idea of Monza lap times 👍 I would also like to add (typically) what sort of top end speed to expect both from my BMW and an estimate of some of the others (not asking for you to give away anything you don't want to) 👍
Also if we are doing a little BMW testing later what sort of time will we be meeting?
Also if we are doing a little BMW testing later what sort of time will we be meeting?
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a 2:02 eh? that's good going mate... im in the 2:03's ...
as for the bmw's top speed at Monza I did it at the end of the straight before the chicanes at 146...without draft so its literally 5 mph slower then the alfa...but it handles the corners better so it evens it out in that my exit speed is much higher giving it the advantage out of the corners so when you couple that with the slip stream it should be able to keep up on the straights and then out brake and corner the alfa to at least halfway down the straights...so its going to depend a lot on how you drive that car around a fast course like Monza...now if it were Tokyo I believe that the bmw will be more dominating as its a lot of corners and 1 real straight...
as for my brain fart...lol that was the weight distribution...ended up with most of the weight over the rear wheels...rather than amid ship or my usual over the front wheels...im more of a mid engine car driver so I itend to adjust my ballast towards the front to even out the turn in...but the bmw likes it or feels like it prefers more over the rear to help stabilise the drive out of the corners and creates a lot less drifting action...
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one last thing...on Monza I didn't run it without a rear wing...im tempted to try it without a rear wing just to see if it helps with the topspeed without causing too much oversteer out of the corners...if that's the case and it can be tuned or driven well enough to allow it to be raced without the rear wing then perhaps it will be up around the 150 mph mark...making it very equal to the alfas
the bmw that is
the bmw that is
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OK the top speed is useful and if running right with slip should be OK (that was the problem at suzuka as we know) think I have it running better now so hopefuly not such a problem 👍.
On that note has anybody looked at my BMW as it is still shared?
Not sure what time we meeting I have been asking...
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And on that note we wasn't running with the rear wing at Suzuka and had no problems getting it to corner
so that wont be a problem for Monza 👍
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I was gonna open up now if anyone was about.
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Last season I was doing low 2.05s in the BMW but it was the first race and I hadn't sussed out the setup. In fact I'd go as far as to say I went in totally the wrong direction. I've subsequently retested there (wing 5) and mid 2.04s are very doable in the BMW.
Draft will help a bit but all the FFs will be drafting too so any gain is effectively cancelled out. Realistically, none of the FRs stand a chance of winning at Monza, not even from pole. There is just nowhere for them to escape and break away, and even if they did their solo pace is that much slower they would easily get reeled back in. Even if leading out of Parabolica on the last lap they will get had way before the line. And the other way round, P2 following the leader coming out of Parabolica, even in the draft they won't make it past until after the line. It's lose lose. Probably sounds like I'm complaining here. I'm not, just explaining the reality of what the FRs have to deal with. Plus a ~1200kg odd car gets sucked along in the draft much more effectively than a ~1400kg car!
But I think Monza's an awful track anyway and by my own admission, i'm not very good round there so i'm not too fussed. You spend 80% of the time at full throttle, bored out of your mind and the other 20% negotiating some horrendously awkward chicanes/corners.
Draft will help a bit but all the FFs will be drafting too so any gain is effectively cancelled out. Realistically, none of the FRs stand a chance of winning at Monza, not even from pole. There is just nowhere for them to escape and break away, and even if they did their solo pace is that much slower they would easily get reeled back in. Even if leading out of Parabolica on the last lap they will get had way before the line. And the other way round, P2 following the leader coming out of Parabolica, even in the draft they won't make it past until after the line. It's lose lose. Probably sounds like I'm complaining here. I'm not, just explaining the reality of what the FRs have to deal with. Plus a ~1200kg odd car gets sucked along in the draft much more effectively than a ~1400kg car!
But I think Monza's an awful track anyway and by my own admission, i'm not very good round there so i'm not too fussed. You spend 80% of the time at full throttle, bored out of your mind and the other 20% negotiating some horrendously awkward chicanes/corners.
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Chrysler and G35/Skyline at 1370kg for tonight's test.
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Gonna confirm the Chrysler and G35/Skyline weight drops. 1370 a piece now. Hopefully that means the end of the spec changes.
BMW case closed as far as I'm concerned.
BMW case closed as far as I'm concerned.
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So is BMW 1370 or stays at 1400??
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Hurleyman actually managed 2nd in the 5 lap practice race in his 330, only a tenth or two behind Ian's Alfa. Although to be fair, he was helping himself to generous portions of the green concrete inside the curbs. I know it was only a mess about but Monza was extremely poor on the discipline front last season. So as long as everyone knows there's to be none of that in the race we will be fine. Everyone else looked ok from what I saw.
And please be careful into turn 1 on the opening lap. Carnage into there just gets everyone riled up for the rest of the race. There's always a huge amount of field compression due to tight nature of the chicane, so be ready for it if you are mid pack or lower! I've been in races where at the back you had to come to a complete stop waiting for it to clear.
And please be careful into turn 1 on the opening lap. Carnage into there just gets everyone riled up for the rest of the race. There's always a huge amount of field compression due to tight nature of the chicane, so be ready for it if you are mid pack or lower! I've been in races where at the back you had to come to a complete stop waiting for it to clear.
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To make the checking for corner cuts easier and quicker, I might ask one steward to look at one or two drivers while I check some others.
Remember you're allowed a maximum of 5 cuts. Anything ridiculous under the limit (e.g. just straight lining the 2nd chicane) will still result in penalty. Don't be taking the p when I give you all allowances for mistakes/outbraking.
Remember you're allowed a maximum of 5 cuts. Anything ridiculous under the limit (e.g. just straight lining the 2nd chicane) will still result in penalty. Don't be taking the p when I give you all allowances for mistakes/outbraking.
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I can see that there may be many penalties dished out for this race. :lol To be honest Rolo, I wouldn't mention any form of leniency as some will take it as a green light to cut a few corners. 
It's a good job that it was only a mess about really as there was a lot of 'green' being used in the race. I watched it back this morning.
Hurley tried his best to win.
I did my best to keep it clean in yesterdays mini-race (5-laps). I made a couple of errors where I strayed over the white line, this was usually when running wide on the exit. Also I found that I had to take to the 'green' when someone was having a lunge on a chicane but that wasn't gaining me an advantage as such, just avoiding a collision.
Yeah that's going to be the biggest issue. Getting through turn 1 cleanly will be difficult and I'll be amazed if we all manage it. In a way, I'm glad to be starting at the back of the grid, I shouldn't get rear-ended by anyone and all I have to do is get through turn 1 cleanly. I'm actually expecting to make up a couple of places on that corner due to errors, but hopefully I'll be pleasently surprised and we have a tidy first lap.
I was shocked at the pace of the FR's yesterday, I was expecting them to be slower around Monza, but as I saw (in my rear-view) providing that slipstream is maintained they will hang onto the back of the FF's without too much trouble. however, the track is a power track and it naturally lends itself to the faster FF's so I doubt that an FR can win....we'll see on Thursday.
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It's a good job that it was only a mess about really as there was a lot of 'green' being used in the race. I watched it back this morning.
Hurley tried his best to win.I did my best to keep it clean in yesterdays mini-race (5-laps). I made a couple of errors where I strayed over the white line, this was usually when running wide on the exit. Also I found that I had to take to the 'green' when someone was having a lunge on a chicane but that wasn't gaining me an advantage as such, just avoiding a collision.
ROB 256R
Yeah that's going to be the biggest issue. Getting through turn 1 cleanly will be difficult and I'll be amazed if we all manage it. In a way, I'm glad to be starting at the back of the grid, I shouldn't get rear-ended by anyone and all I have to do is get through turn 1 cleanly. I'm actually expecting to make up a couple of places on that corner due to errors, but hopefully I'll be pleasently surprised and we have a tidy first lap.
I was shocked at the pace of the FR's yesterday, I was expecting them to be slower around Monza, but as I saw (in my rear-view) providing that slipstream is maintained they will hang onto the back of the FF's without too much trouble. however, the track is a power track and it naturally lends itself to the faster FF's so I doubt that an FR can win....we'll see on Thursday.
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Hi guys,
After many discussions myself and Dj have taken the decision to pull out the BTCC.
This is because although it is possible to do well in the BMW (especially if we had the right parts installed at Suzuka) we are trying to spread our testing efforts across 2 cars (1 for BTCC, 1 for TOCA). This is causing us to try to rush setups and inadvertently going the wrong way with the BMW and slowing it down.
We feel in our current situation that the TOCA series will be a better choice for us for now and even more so if we drop some of our current commitments as there are too many to be able to cover everything.
We hope that this will not effect our chances of signing up to future race series as we think this is very competitive series and will be looking for future series to compete in.
Thanks for the races and lessons we have learnt in this short time 👍
Good luck to all and hopefully see you all soon 👍
After many discussions myself and Dj have taken the decision to pull out the BTCC.
This is because although it is possible to do well in the BMW (especially if we had the right parts installed at Suzuka) we are trying to spread our testing efforts across 2 cars (1 for BTCC, 1 for TOCA). This is causing us to try to rush setups and inadvertently going the wrong way with the BMW and slowing it down.
We feel in our current situation that the TOCA series will be a better choice for us for now and even more so if we drop some of our current commitments as there are too many to be able to cover everything.
We hope that this will not effect our chances of signing up to future race series as we think this is very competitive series and will be looking for future series to compete in.
Thanks for the races and lessons we have learnt in this short time 👍
Good luck to all and hopefully see you all soon 👍
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That sounds like a good idea.
Yes, I do get the impression some people think the 5 rule thing is like they have 5 tokens to use for cutting whenever they want. Ideally there should be no cutting. Not looking forward to stewarding this if I'm honest as i think it will be a busy one. This is why I prefer street circuits because the track polices itself.
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Id recommend you guys to reconsider and still compete just to get experience . Not racing wont help you learn anything .
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Thanks and I get what you mean there but like I said we are rushing setup's too much and rather than learning at the moment we are trying to do too much too quickly and as a result we are going even further in the wrong direction with the BMW.
We will still be racing in a series and learning but as we haven't taken part in any series before the term 'run before you can crawl' comes to mind
I think we tried to take on too much too quickly 👍
