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[ROB 256R]

Thanks and I get what you mean there but like I said we are rushing setup's too much and rather than learning at the moment we are trying to do too much too quickly and as a result we are going even further in the wrong direction with the BMW.

We will still be racing in a series and learning but as we haven't taken part in any series before the term 'run before you can crawl' comes to mind
I think we tried to take on too much too quickly 👍

I know what you're saying but from what i saw in the pre-season stuff the standard of racing is much higher here than in TOCA. There's too much pushing and shoving with them IMO. Plus you are guaranteed a place in the races here. For TOCA you still have to qualify for the main race. Why don't you at least stay for Grand Valley, week 3. Monza is a poor representation of the BMWs potential.

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

I know what you're saying but from what i saw in the pre-season stuff the standard of racing is much higher here than in TOCA. There's too much pushing and shoving with them IMO. Plus you are guaranteed a place in the races here. For TOCA you still have to qualify for the main race. Why don't you at least stay for Grand Valley, week 3. Monza is a poor representation of the BMWs potential.

I don't have enough experience on track in either series to be able to comment on driving standards.

What I mean by going the wrong way with BMW is yesterday my best was a 1.05.2** that is 6 tenths off just your pace and by later in the evening when we started racing I couldn't even get into the 1.05's anymore and getting slower. we feel that pulling out will be our best option for now and concentrate on the series we feel we have the best cahnce. I know TOCA I will have to qualify but I am hoping now that all the quickest guys are through to the main event and scored well in the last event I stand a very good chance of making the main event (only just missed out last week up against 'the quickest' guys in the series (who wont be in the heat race this week).

 

[canyondrifter]

im looking forward to Tokyo as it will show who can actually drive their cars...no possibilities of cutting any corners...albeit it will not be the alfas best track as it has a lot of corners I am fairly confident of a good result...grand valley is another good track with a lot of corners but not really any that I can think of that are cuttable except for 1...but oh well we shall see soon enough who has the better car control and self control to get around Monza the fastest without using more then the fair share of track...

on that note I will admit that taking avoiding action and cutting across the green to avoid a collision is preferable but if I do I usually give the place back if I get the advantage...

sorry to see you guys go DJ and P1k3y but you guys gotta do what ya guys ave gotta do... take care and keep ya foot down.

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

sorry to see you guys go DJ and P1k3y but you guys gotta do what ya guys ave gotta do... take care and keep ya foot down.

Thanks mate hopefully it wont be too much longer before we race again 👍

 

[canyondrifter]

Thanks mate hopefully it wont be too much longer before we race again 👍

im sure we will bump into each other again at some point...lol

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

im sure we will bump into each other again at some point...lol

Although there is nearly always some 'bumps' in racing I hope we wont be bumping too much

 

[hurleyman24]

I don't have enough experience on track in either series to be able to comment on driving standards.

What I mean by going the wrong way with BMW is yesterday my best was a 1.05.2** that is 6 tenths off just your pace and by later in the evening when we started racing I couldn't even get into the 1.05's anymore and getting slower. we feel that pulling out will be our best option for now and concentrate on the series we feel we have the best cahnce. I know TOCA I will have to qualify but I am hoping now that all the quickest guys are through to the main event and scored well in the last event I stand a very good chance of making the main event (only just missed out last week up against 'the quickest' guys in the series (who wont be in the heat race this week).

Do you wanna try my setup?

 

[sibbystiggy]

Thanks and I get what you mean there but like I said we are rushing setup's too much and rather than learning at the moment we are trying to do too much too quickly and as a result we are going even further in the wrong direction with the BMW.

We will still be racing in a series and learning but as we haven't taken part in any series before the term 'run before you can crawl' comes to mind
I think we tried to take on too much too quickly 👍

I agree with skengdigi there, we are not learning how you tune a car properly and relying on it completely to do well,
last season I learnt more than I ever have and tuning was only a 5th of it,
I learnt how to be more competitive by driving properly, learning:
-it's important to keep your position then take risks and lose it all,
-making good use of the apex
-slow in and fast out
-throttle control
-stay on throttle lightly then lift off completely when not using brakes
-how to cope with grip reduction on real
-how to make use of slipstream in corners and when catching up
(I've probably missed a few things off)
There is still much more to learn, but I cut off more seconds a lap then I would have done if I'd just worked on setting up my car
Last season I used 2 setups on my focus, the 2nd didn't work so I went back to 1st,this season I'm using weezy's setup that was used for the entire last season and I will do the same,
All you gotta do is adjust your gears for tracks, with the rest there are many people here who would be happy to help you, you are basically saying no to learning anything new because 1/12 things isn't right, I bet if I had a good setup and I went up against red who had a bad setup, he would still most likely win cus he is the better driver, you have to be a good driver not the best tuner to do well, i don't see why you are relying so much on it, everyone has to work to the top, ur not giving it a chance

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

I agree with skengdigi there, we are not learning how you tune a car properly and relying on it completely to do well,
last season I learnt more than I ever have and tuning was only a 5th of it,
I learnt how to be more competitive by driving properly, learning:
-it's important to keep your position then take risks and lose it all,
-making good use of the apex
-slow in and fast out
-throttle control
-stay on throttle lightly then lift off completely when not using brakes
-how to cope with grip reduction on real
-how to make use of slipstream in corners and when catching up
(I've probably missed a few things off)
There is still much more to learn, but I cut off more seconds a lap then I would have done if I'd just worked on setting up my car
Last season I used 2 setups on my focus, the 2nd didn't work so I went back to 1st,this season I'm using weezy's setup that was used for the entire last season and I will do the same,
All you gotta do is adjust your gears for tracks, with the rest there are many people here who would be happy to help you, you are basically saying no to learning anything new because 1/12 things isn't right, I bet if I had a good setup and I went up against red who had a bad setup, he would still most likely win cus he is the better driver, you have to be a good driver not the best tuner to do well, i don't see why you are relying so much on it, everyone has to work to the top, ur not giving it a chance

A lot of good points there and no matter how good a driver you are there is always space to learn and I will say I'm not the fastest driver in the world (in fact very far from it). All your points about driving I already have a good understanding of and of course can improve that understanding. My point is that by trying to compete in 2 series will be a lot of work to try to keep up with testing, practice, ETC. Also trying to do all this with 2 different cars and regulations will take more game time than I can get . I am not saying 'no to learning' but rather learning at a more sensible pace as 2 series is a lot to take on and take in 'learning' wise. 'Learning to crawl before I try to run' rather than 'trying to run before I can crawl'. Also the car setup is key as it can gain or lose you a second a lap in places and if you are using a setup that will cost you that time then you have less chance to keep up and will still learn nothing as you will be driving round a track on your own in last.

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

Do you wanna try my setup?

Thanks 👍

Could be worth a try to see if we can learn what we were doing wrong 👍

But I am going to put all my effort into 1 thing at a time for a while until I have learnt enough to do more 👍

We are too inexperienced in racing in series to be trying to do as much as we are trying to do anyway

 

[Ian_83]

^^ That is the post of the season......take a bow. 👍

The best way to learn is to race with people that are better than you. You only have to ask canyondrifter about my improvements over the past year. I've learnt most of what I know from spending time on track pushing myself to improve and watching what others do. I'm not a pro (never will be), but I'm now a decent racer (in my opinion).

You can't expect to walk into a series and do well instantly, someone has to be at the back and that's racing.

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

You can't expect to walk into a series and do well instantly, someone has to be at the back and that's racing.

Very much agreed there but as stated doing 2 at a time will take more game time than I can get so want to put all my learning efforts into 1 series (the 1 I feel I have best shot at) and (hopefully) learning at a sensible pace.

 

[SkengD]

Racing mediums a lot more friendly than sports soft .

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

I know and that is probably why as I am used to basic online racing on racing soft's so again one step at a time

TBH the tires are probably 90% of my problems

 

[Ian_83]

The transition from racing soft tyres to sports soft can catch me out too. Most of my online experience prior to the btcc has been on racing tyres. Its just something else to learn. I find that using a headset can help, you can hear the tyres much better and react to the sound rather than the action of loosing grip.

 

[sibbystiggy]

I know and that is probably why as I am used to basic online racing on racing soft's so again one step at a time

TBH the tires are probably 90% of my problems

I understand what you mean as setting yourself alot of work when competing in two series, with 1 you can focus to be more competitive
So you are choosing toca over btcc because of tyres?

 

[rolo912011]

I kinda guessed it was gonna be a toss up between giving the car a better spec or you'd quit.

You're welcome to come back whenever you want - speed isn't the main deal for me, it's cleanliness. And you both seem fairly clean.

2 spaces are open then if any reserves would like to grab them. Or anyone else.

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

I understand what you mean as setting yourself alot of work when competing in two series, with 1 you can focus to be more competitive
So you are choosing toca over btcc because of tyres?

In a way yes, Where I am used to racing soft's I think it will be better to use some of the other tires before trying to go to soft's vs people who have been using them for a while and are very fast on them, that is a big ask.

I kinda guessed it was gonna be a toss up between giving the car a better spec or you'd quit.

As it goes having realized our cock up at Suzuka I was a lot more happy about the straight line speed of the BMW when with other cars and has very little to do with why we have chosen to withdraw.

 

[azidahaka]

too bad, this takes out 2 racers i would be battling with and push me torwards the lower part of the races

 

[Scaniabebe]

too bad, this takes out 2 racers i would be battling with and push me torwards the lower part of the races

You still can challenge me!
As I say, not going to be racing tonight - but good luck to you all!

Regarding tires - with Sports Soft; you need to drive slower to be faster.. If you get what I mean!

 

[rolo912011]

Lounge open.

 

[sibbystiggy]

I've cut almost every corner on Monza in the races just so that I don't have to back down and loose it all like ive done in the past, I took red out twice when attempting to help him by bump drafting so we could catch up with the rest of the pack, I've resorted to driving relentlessly in order to get a position higher up. This is definitely not working out for me cus I'm doing better than before when it comes to getting good finishes but my driving has become a villain for other drivers which wasn't the case when I was doing badly.

Driving routhlessly to do better if not the way forward.
I really don't feel like I belong here because I don't think the same as you all when it comes to driving competitively, I feel responsible for ruining some people's races but it wasn't my purpose to so, it makes me feel bad which is the main reason why I am considering on leaving or going on a hiatus

Unless if people who've raced along side me for the BTCC-5 can give me advice on what I'm doing wrong and how I should improve so I can be more like others here (what ive learnt so far has only helped me do better at setting lap times solo, not in a race), as I'm not getting anywhere then being more of a menace, I'm not happy with my driving style at all atm and If its likely gonna stay this way for the rest of the season then I'm out,

 

[ROB 256R]

I've cut almost every corner on Monza in the races just so that I don't have to back down and loose it all like ive done in the past, I took red out twice when attempting to help him by bump drafting so we could catch up with the rest of the pack, I've resorted to driving relentlessly in order to get a position higher up. This is definitely not working out for me cus I'm doing better than before when it comes to getting good finishes but my driving has become a villain for other drivers which wasn't the case when I was doing badly.

Driving routhlessly to do better if not the way forward.
I really don't feel like I belong here because I don't think the same as you all when it comes to driving competitively, I feel responsible for ruining some people's races but it wasn't my purpose to so, it makes me feel bad which is the main reason why I am considering on leaving or going on a hiatus

Unless if people who've raced along side me for the BTCC-5 can give me advice on what I'm doing wrong and how I should improve so I can be more like others here (what ive learnt so far has only helped me do better at setting lap times solo, not in a race), as I'm not getting anywhere then being more of a menace, I'm not happy with my driving style at all atm and If its likely gonna stay this way for the rest of the season then I'm out,

Draft pushing someone is fine but you have to disengage BEFORE the braking zone. I braked for Ascari and you were still pushing me. The Crossfire brakes are pretty good but they're not good enough to stop two cars! And it's really not a good idea to draft push someone when the closing speed is like 10mph or more! That's not a gentle push, that's a crash.

Don't worry, Monza will be my dropped score so I won't report any of the incidents but PLEASE try to be more sensible in future. And you have to stop dive bombing the inside too. If you're not alongside, or within 1 or 2 car lengths when you get to the braking zone, in my opinion, you should not be trying to stick your nose in. I regularly see you do it from like 5 or 6 car lengths back which is nowhere near close enough, hence why the apex will always be occupied by the time you get there.

Sorry I called you a menace before but at the time I was not impressed. I forgive you

 

[sibbystiggy]

Draft pushing someone is fine but you have to disengage BEFORE the braking zone. I braked for Ascari and you were still pushing me. The Crossfire brakes are pretty good but they're not good enough to stop two cars! And it's really not a good idea to draft push someone when the closing speed is like 10mph or more! That's not a gentle push, that's a crash.

Don't worry, Monza will be my dropped score so I won't report any of the incidents but PLEASE try to be more sensible in future. And you have to stop dive bombing the inside too. If you're not alongside, or within 1 or 2 car lengths when you get to the braking zone, in my opinion, you should not be trying to stick your nose in. I regularly see you do it from like 5 or 6 car lengths back which is nowhere near close enough, hence why the apex will always be occupied by the time you get there.

Sorry I called you a menace before but at the time I was not impressed. I forgive you

-Only take the inside when I'm within 1-2 car length close
-Do not bump draft near a braking zone and pull back early to avoid taking anyone off or causing a crash when nearing a corner

Thank you for the tips man, u were right are calling me a menace tho but thanks for forgiving me :-) i appreciate it

 

[mrbrendon999]

Hey stig don't worry I learnt not to dive but my problem is i'm TOO cautions which causes crashes. but my tip to you is focus on early power into slipstream and get them before the corner, then cover the inside. I learnt to do that back when I had skill XD lost all that now i'm a granny driver

 

[sibbystiggy]

Hey stig don't worry I learnt not to dive but my problem is i'm TOO cautions which causes crashes. but my tip to you is focus on early power into slipstream and get them before the corner, then cover the inside. I learnt to do that back when I had skill XD lost all that now i'm a granny driver

Lol, Thanx brendon il try that, now bring bck your skills, I don't want a granny as my team mate

 

[mrbrendon999]

Lol, Thanx brendon il try that, now bring bck your skills, I don't want a granny as my team mate

ill try mate *digs deep* ill have dig out my old setups but yh. I personally think i'm only good for defending now. I just can't quite keep up 'cause i'm cautious XD

 

[Scaniabebe]

Judging from all these discussions.. Should I get the insurance forms and whiplash injury forms?

 

[SkengD]

Stig when i look at the replays this weekend ill pm you some tips . Your not as bad as you think you are , at least you want advice and help , thats a great thing alone some people dont want any help .

 

[mrbrendon999]

Lol, Thanx brendon il try that, now bring bck your skills, I don't want a granny as my team mate

Spent all night tuning at monza. Git a 2:02.940 out of the dodge. Don't know how it will perform at grand valley though XD