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Yes, only the races we do on Thursdays get the point. Everything else is like 'free practice' I suppose, to compare. I know it's been a bit muddled this time because of my work and delays (still don't know about next week), hopefully for the next BTCC season I can streamline it. Changes are inevitable, people just have to keep up :indiff:

Haha that would be interesting!

Good luck with the exams - what are they, A-Levels?

Thanks for your support 👍
 
It's an up and down thing, just when you help it goes down hill.
Help make things better tell your mum you love her and all that, next day bang it's alot worse.
She not taking pills she needs pills NHS given her for years.
She needs off them as now days there no good, but she needs help off to come off them.
Well thats my and wife thinking but it's taken loads of stress just to get others in the family to listen and see.
Yesterday she asked my brother how was prison, he look at her a went I never been in prison.

This then later turns out I us need to move as the IRA are coming for her?
 
yeah A-levels
mad mate, is her vision getting worse? such as she sees the colour red alot?
definitely i agree, spend as much time with your mum as possible. some people grow up without theres. one minute shes there, next shes not. people like me never got the opportunity, use yours while you still have it :)
 
I'm glad you have swapped Tokyo for Laguna:tup:

I ran a few laps at Laguna this evening. 34.0xx with nissan, megane and peugeot. All three felt very close round here but feel the I could probably get a little more out of the nissan. I also ran a few laps at Tokyo the other day, can't remember exact times but I know a low 52 was with the megane and peugeot. Think I was hitting mid 51's with nissan.

I will test ford as well when I get chance. I should be around for first race this thursday!
 
Keep your chin up too Cpt, I understand that's easy for me to say, but you need to be strong for your mum when she's on a bad day and on the good days I hope that you can both smile.

I had it tough when my grabddad was going downhill, he slowly lost his marbles and it was so painful watching it worsen over the years. He would forget that his parents were dead (they died in the 60's), how do you tell someone almost on a daily basis that their parents aren't around anymore? It was really tough for the whole family.

Family are incredibly important especially parents so they have to come first, but Cpt, don't forget about yourself, you also need a way to relax and escape from things for a while. Whether that's going to work, playing a game or just getting outside for a walk. Just don't forget that you need to be mentally in a good place in order to be able to look after your mum when she needs it.

If you want to chat anytime or vent some frustrations then just drop me a message. I can't help you directly, but just getting soomething off your chest may help a little. :)

By the way... I loved your little rant yesterday. 👍 Don't feel bad about it and hopefully Rolo hasn't taken any offence considering the pressure that you're under.
 
Hancock
I also ran a few laps at Tokyo the other day, can't remember exact times but I know a low 52 was with the megane and peugeot. Think I was hitting mid 51's with nissan.
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This is what I don't understand....

Tokyo has previously been described as being a 'power' track, much better suited to the lightweight and faster FF's. Except that the FR's were lapping quicker, especially the Nissan. :lol:

I'm glad that Tokyo has been dropped from the calendar, I much prefer racing at proper circuits and Laguna will be a welcome challenge. Just be careful of the pits this time though, last time we were at Laguna we had a pit entry issue, wasn't it CptMadBean and Karsten?...I can't remember.
 
Ian_83
This is what I don't understand....

Tokyo has previously been described as being a 'power' track, much better suited to the lightweight and faster FF's. Except that the FR's were lapping quicker, especially the Nissan. :lol:

I'm glad that Tokyo has been dropped from the calendar, I much prefer racing at proper circuits and Laguna will be a welcome challenge. Just be careful of the pits this time though, last time we were at Laguna we had a pit entry issue, wasn't it CptMadBean and Karsten?...I can't remember.
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Yeah me hitting someone going in to the pits seems to ring a bell
 
rolo912011
I don't think I'll ever get the balance right :lol:
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Well PD can't get it right, so what chance do you have? Their answer would be to use Boost. :banghead:

At the end of the day, it's fair to say that it will never be perfect. All we can hope for is some close racing.

BTW: CptMadBean said something which I've been thinking about for a while now. What's to stop us re-introducing a success penalty? We can check the car specs via the Member List, so we don't have the old issues when it comes to checking power and weight, which is fantastic.

Altering the weight of cars can throw the balance and I know that you thought a power decrease would affect some more than others....but would it? Would say a 10bhp reduction really damage one car more than another and has it been tested?

Personally I'm in favour for it.
 
A success ballast (15kg for 1st, 10kg for second and 5kg for 3rd) would be a good way to counteract any small performance imbalances on the fly, if the ballast doesn't solve it then a similar scale of bhp drop might prove more effective on some cars. Would help to keep the series close and stop the pros running away with the championship.

(I'm MadBeans and Hurleymans mechanic just in case you're wondering who I am :))
 
If someone's got a setup on where they have say 170kg ballast or more inside their weight reduction stage, then they wouldn't have the room to put success ballast on. It's not something you can police, and in some cases it can completely throw the setup to enforce a higher WR stage and make the car a lot slower at the same spec. Essentially making it worthless having.

Power cuts would perhaps be more practical considering the power is a lot more even car-to-car (although two are at 310 this season), but then especially with the V8s coming in this time there's a lot of potential for that affecting torque differently, or gearing etc. It's not been tested yet precisely because of those doubts.

For a power reduction to really work you'd need to test it at say 24hp/30hp down, as that would be worst case scenario. It's so much easier to do in one-makes (and the next one make will have the power penalty back), because of course everything is the same.
 
Yep, adding more ballast is an option but if a car is already nearly maxed out with added ballast I can see how it could be a problem. One bonus with GT6 however, is that we can remove the weight reduction stages in the settings menu, whereas on GT5 it wasn't possible to undo a weight reduction. So in theory, it's probably possible to use additional success ballast, but all cars would need to be checked to ensure that they're able to run at their new weights.

A BHP penalty is far simpler, easy to spec check and if we do some testing on this it could work. I'm all for slowing down the leaders a bit to allow the others a chance to get some silverware. I actually quite like the challenge of running ballast, so a power decrease would hopefully be fun too.

We would need to test the cars though. If the Nissan looses half a second a lap with say a 15BHP reduction, then the Renault should suffer a similar disadvantage. As per usual though the disadvantage would alter based upon the track. A power loss on a handling track won't make much difference.
 
rolo912011
If someone's got a setup on where they have say 170kg ballast or more inside their weight reduction stage, then they wouldn't have the room to put success ballast on. It's not something you can police, and in some cases it can completely throw the setup to enforce a higher WR stage and make the car a lot slower at the same spec. Essentially making it worthless having.

Power cuts would perhaps be more practical considering the power is a lot more even car-to-car (although two are at 310 this season), but then especially with the V8s coming in this time there's a lot of potential for that affecting torque differently, or gearing etc. It's not been tested yet precisely because of those doubts.

For a power reduction to really work you'd need to test it at say 24hp/30hp down, as that would be worst case scenario. It's so much easier to do in one-makes (and the next one make will have the power penalty back), because of course everything is the same.
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Yeah I see your point on the ballast, I would probably go in the direction of power reduction as well. I don't think it would have too bad of an effect on the big V8s, I've looked at the power curves and they're butchered already but still producing way more torque across the range than the other cars. A further reduction wouldn't make a massive difference overall, you'd still be nowhere near bogging the engine down. Finding the relative differnce to make the drops equal would be the tricky part, might have to be a percentage drop rather than a fixed number (7% for 1st, 5% for second, 3% for 3rd).
 
From my experience with ballast and penalties in various series , a weight penalty is better/more fair as the power penalties can really kill you on power tracks like spa for example .

I would vote towards weight penalties over power penalties but since btcc has never had these ill vote against either unless majority wants it .

Cant really fight a majority vote.
 
Another thing to add is that adding weight can improve weight distribution and make a car slightly faster instead of slower, and that effect differs between drivetrains.

Power cuts wouldn't.
 
SkengD
I would vote towards weight penalties over power penalties but since btcc has never had these ill vote against either unless majority wants it .
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I think that's primarily becasue it was previously damn near impossible to check the specs. Its much easier now we can look on the members list.

We ran penalties in the one-makes for that exact reason, it was easy to check.
 
ok btw guys, im nearly ready to post season review. you will all be tagged but i ask if no one can comment on that thread until i say ok its complete, otherwise we'll have gaps.
cheers guys :)
 
DirtyNurbKing58
ok btw guys, im nearly ready to post season review. you will all be tagged but i ask if no one can comment on that thread until i say ok its complete, otherwise we'll have gaps.
cheers guys :)
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Make several posts to reserve space and then go back and edit them as and when you get time/info. ;)
 
Right, no changes yet, but here's what I plan to change after tomorrow's testing if these results show up as I expect:

Nissan +10kg (1440 -> 1450)
Ford -10kg (1370 -> 1360)
Alfa -20kg (1350 -> 1330)
Citroen -20kg (1320 -> 1300)
Renault +20kg (1250 -> 1270)
Peugeot +20kg (1240 -> 1260)

After that, I don't really plan to make any more changes else we'll be going forever.

That will allow consistent specs to be tested and allow some stability pre-season. It's about time something was concreted in.

No mid-season spec changes this time, remember. By request of drivers.
 

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