Bugatti thread.

[Dave A]

I would laugh my 🤬 off if the Veyron won. Just how exactly are 1000hp useful in corners? Add 500kg to the car, and I must say I would be very surprised if the Veyron would win.

As posted before, the Veyron has already beat the Ferrari Enzo on a track, and not by .001 of a second either.

The Enzo Ferrari did a 7:25 in Nürburgring, while the Veyron got 7:40. I think that speaks for itself.

Not it doesn't, as already said the Enzo was doing a hot lap, the Veyron wasn't. That time was taken by some guy standing at the side of the track who watched it set off and then timed how long it took for it to get back. Bugatti have enver hot lapped the Veyron around any track, any veyron's that have been hot lapped have all been done with cars somoen has bought.

The Nürburgring is full of corners. There are a few long straights on the track, along with the final straight, but that isn't enough for the Veyron to win what it lost in the corners.

I think the Veyron would hammer the Enzo at the Ring if it was hot lapped. I think the only chance the Enzo would really have would be on a tight circuit.I don't know that for a fact, but that's my guesstimation.

I would love to see what can the Veyron do with 500kg off it along with that extra power. Then we would be able to see whether it actually has some work done to it or if it just a power-hungry behemoth.

I don't get you, are you implying that we can only tell if it's good round corners if we shave half a tonne off it? Because I don't need to see that to know it can handle. Gordon Murray test drove a Veyron and the thing he was most impressed with was it's agility on a track. He noted that while VAG wouldn't market the car as a race car, only a super fast GT that he felt that it still managed to really shine on the track.

That was a prototype not being tested in anger timed by some random person standing at the side of the track....

Correct.

And I thought that the 'Ring was a high speed track.

It is, and see above.

By the way, do any of you realize that RUF is Porsche, just under a different company? Seriously, the cars look almost exactly the same except for a few variations.

You are are very wrong, it's a common misconception though.

So many people say the veyron will handle terrible..and it just might be so, well... sorta.

Why not just tune it...

People that don't particularly like the car tend to say it handles rubbish or people that haven't been interested in it enough to read the reviews, road and performance tests. They use a certain degree of logic to come to that conclusion and that much power through 4 wheels weight 1800kg's could be a pretty solid bases for a "it can't handle" argument. But when so many people have driven the Veyron and reported on how agile it is and how well it copes with the corners, I think it's safe to assume it can handle. I remember reading a review and they talked about theVeyron as "darting around country lanes with the agility of an Elise". Now I don't think the Veyron is quite that agile and accept that they may have been exxagerating to get a point accross, the point was that it handles well.

Liek I said, the only comparable lap time between a Veyron and an Enzo had the Veyron as the winner.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

They might need to make the Test Course straights another Kilometre longer each for this monster. I also had a thought last night too about its fuel economy and uh.. if the 'Like the wind' Race makes a return, then I wouldn't advise using this car for that event

The Veyron consumes more fuel than any other production car, using 40.4 L/100 km (6.99 mpg-imp; 5.82 mpg-US) in city driving and 24.1 L/100 km (11.7 mpg-imp; 9.76 mpg-US) in combined cycle.[citation needed] At full throttle, it uses more than 115 L/100 km (2.46 mpg-imp; 2.05 mpg-US), which would empty its 100 L (22 imp gal; 26 US gal) fuel tank in just 12 minutes.

Is that all? I know a car with a 2.3 litre 4 pot engine with worse fuel economy

 

[Peter]

The Enzo did 7:24 around the ring, while the Veyron did a 7:40. The Veyron was driven by an amateur, but who in the world can get back 16 seconds?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

The Enzo did 7:24 around the ring, while the Veyron did a 7:40. The Veyron was driven by an amateur, but who in the world can get back 16 seconds?

No it wasn't it was driven by a test driver and was not driven in anger or at the limit

 

[Dave A]

The Enzo did 7:24 around the ring, while the Veyron did a 7:40. The Veyron was driven by an amateur, but who in the world can get back 16 seconds?

The Veyron wasn't done by an amature, it was done by a test driver. Besides a pro can get gain 16 seconds or more at the Ring easilly over an amature drivers lap. The key is that Bugatti never hot lapped the Veyron. They were at the Ring testing the cars cooling systems, not trying to set lap records.

16 seconds at the Ring can be had by a different driver easilly and I'd wager that you can see similar differences between a lap when you're not pushing the car and wen you are. If you go back to the TopGear track, when they send stars around to test thier driving skils that's by and large a sub 2 min track but there's a 20 second difference between the best and worst laps with the majority of people being about 5-6 seconds off the pace, and that's a sub 2 min track.

The bottom line is that we don't have any idea how fast the Veyron actually canlap the Ring, once again the only comparable track times between the Veyron and Enzo have the Veyron as the winner. That's all we have, one track, one test, one timed lap each. There are no other comparable times to decide anything from.

 

[Peter]

The Veyron probably lost less in the corners than the Enzo did on the straight in comparison.

 

[Dave A]

I agree with that. In my mind there is little doubt that the Enzo is probably the superior car when it comes to most corner speeds. It's just a massive over exagerration for people to suggest that because the Veyron probably can't handle as well as an Enzo, that it's handling is going to be a majoy handicap. That's simply not the case, despite it's weight the Veyron is a very capable car on the track and the only track test proves that since it's lap times are up there with the fastest track ready supercars in the world.

 

[RACECAR]

Private rooms will be your friend

...that is if we get them

And thats a really big "if" right about now. I enjoyed them on Grid so whenever they are implemented, it'll be great.

 

[Pierced Lead]

I agree with that. In my mind there is little doubt that the Enzo is probably the superior car when it comes to most corner speeds. It's just a massive over exagerration for people to suggest that because the Veyron probably can't handle as well as an Enzo, that it's handling is going to be a majoy handicap. That's simply not the case, despite it's weight the Veyron is a very capable car on the track and the only track test proves that since it's lap times are up there with the fastest track ready supercars in the world.

Many people also just claim the Veyron hard on the corners because of its shape, which does make it look heavy, and the luxury stuff in it. I don't really know which is the better one on the 'Ring (or any track), but to ordinary people the Enzo looks very sleek and with alot of those holes so people will think it is very light and easy on the corners

 

[alonsof1fan91]

It`s nice to see another car manufactorer in GT, but I could live without the Bugattis in GT5 too.

Don`t get me wrong: The Veyron is an outstanding car. But most people would like to drive this car because its so fast. I just want to drive cars in GT for the driving expierence.
I can`t imagine that driving an 1800kg 4WD lady is so pure like an F40.

Talking about the old Bugattis, I hope PD gets other cars from this era atfirst. What I mean is, since GT3 there is Mercedes in GT, but I wasnt able to drive an old silverarrow in this franchise.
I hope PD includes this cars too. For me, the old Mercedes and Auto Union silverarrows are the greatest cars of all time. (Uhh, sry for my bad english )

 

[Dracwolley]

To answer your question specifically, i will pull a james may 'round the oval.

And then i'll see how it fares around Le Mans and the Nürb'.

 

[Dave A]

Mercedes has been in GT since GT2.

 

[Peter]

I know, GT5P online was annoying enough with most people getting Ferraris and punting the hell out of you. It'll be most likely ten times worse now with a 1001 HP car and a bunch of 12 year olds.

HEY!!!!!!! Maybe I will drive the bugatti alot, but no punting for me

 

[McLaren]

The Veyron consumes more fuel than any other production car, using 40.4 L/100 km (6.99 mpg-imp; 5.82 mpg-US) in city driving and 24.1 L/100 km (11.7 mpg-imp; 9.76 mpg-US) in combined cycle.[citation needed] At full throttle, it uses more than 115 L/100 km (2.46 mpg-imp; 2.05 mpg-US), which would empty its 100 L (22 imp gal; 26 US gal) fuel tank in just 12 minutes.

As correct as you are about the numbers, those figures are used in reference to the car running at top speed until it's out.

For one, you can run the Veyron to 250mph & still have a lot of fuel.
And two, hardly anybody will be flooring the Veyron long enough at the 'Ring to matter. It is a high speed track, but there are many corners that were never designed to handle a car coming through at over 130Mph. I suspect many people will be going light on the throttle or hard on the brakes through the course in the Veyron, should it be modeled exactly as it is.

 

[RufusGonePunk]

I thought its "Quad Turbo"?

Well i dont care for the Veyron, i think it looks like a Mercedes SLR had sex with a VW Phaeton and its their baby. But i would love to see a EB110 or the Type 57 Bugattis.

+1 for that!
The recent Top Gear proved that it's not all it's hyped up to be, when the almost 20 year old McLaren F1 went up against it in a mile drag and almost had it.
As a technical showcase, it's incredible, but it doesn't do much for me as a car. There's plenty other cars I'd prefer to own.
I'll still look forward to taking it for a spin around the Nurburgring

 

[dancardesigner]

+1 for that!
The recent Top Gear proved that it's not all it's hyped up to be, when the almost 20 year old McLaren F1 went up against it in a mile drag and almost had it.
As a technical showcase, it's incredible, but it doesn't do much for me as a car. There's plenty other cars I'd prefer to own.
I'll still look forward to taking it for a spin around the Nurburgring

Yeah but i take a lot of the topgear tests with a pinch of salt tbh. Wasn't there an episode witha n F40, XJ220 and a mclaren F1, and the F40 come out on top in an acceleration test. No way should that happen.

Edit: Yeah i remember it was the old vs new supercars episode from a while back. Besides Shelby SSC eats veyron for breakfast, and mosler landshark is apparently gonna be capable of over 300mph.

 

[Terronium-12]

Besides Shelby SSC eats veyron for breakfast, and mosler landshark is apparently gonna be capable of over 300mph.

I never really liked the Aero/Ultimate Aero, it just seems so empty to me. From what I understand it was only devised just to dethrone the Veyron as being the "Fastest car in the World."

Like I said, it's based on something I read a while ago and if the source is incorrect, by all means fill in the proper blanks.

 

[nizam80]

Personally, I think the Veyron will not have terrible handling in GT5. However, my thoughts are that it's blistering fast acceleration will make it seem like it handles terribly when taking and exiting corners (which requires good throttle control considering it's massive torque).

 

[McLaren]

eah i remember it was the old vs new supercars episode from a while back. Besides Shelby SSC eats veyron for breakfast

No it doesn't. It only goes 3mph faster. That isn't eating anything.

I'm not even going to go into how much more complicated & unique the Veyron is.

and mosler landshark is apparently gonna be capable of over 300mph.

The Landshark is a joke. The owner claims it has this stuff done to it, but in reality, the only things changed are the brakes & steering wheel.

The Landshark is the samething as the new Vector. Nothing but hot air.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

The recent Top Gear proved that it's not all it's hyped up to be, when the almost 20 year old McLaren F1 went up against it in a mile drag and almost had it.

Actually there was a whole lot more to it than that.

 

[Terronium-12]

Actually there was a whole lot more to it than that.

It seemed The Stig took it "easy" when going around the track, I wonder if it can actually be legitimate when he wasn't pushing it as hard as say, the Zonda F roadster?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

It seemed The Stig took it "easy" when going around the track, I wonder if it can actually be legitimate when he wasn't pushing it as hard as say, the Zonda F roadster?

I was refering to the drag race.

 

[Terronium-12]

I was refering to the drag race.

Ah. That was a good episode, if I remember wasn't that drag race basically down to torque vs. weight?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Ah. That was a good episode, if I remember wasn't that drag race basically down to torque vs. weight?

No it was due to the veyron not using launch control and the fact the turbo cars don't like heat which may be a slight issue there plus the veyron walked the F1 anyway,if you look at the in car view from the veyron it gained on the F1 like a RS6 on a bus.

 

[McLaren]

No it was due to the veyron not using launch control and the fact the turbo cars don't like heat which may be a slight issue there plus the veyron walked the F1 anyway,if you look at the in car view from the veyron it gained on the F1 like a RS6 on a bus.

So what? The F1 doesn't have it to begin with & it put a lot of length on the Veyron shortly; I highly doubt launch control would have made that much of an impact on the distance. Besides, the AWD system already gave the Veyron a slight advantage from a dig.

As for the Veyron walking the F1, notice it couldn't do that until it really got moving. Even then, it wasn't exactly leaving the McLaren standing still.

Terronium is right. That race, as seen from the start, did come down to the weight vs. torque. The McLaren wouldn't have jumped out & put such a length on the Veyron if it wasn't.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

As for the Veyron walking the F1, notice it couldn't do that until it really got moving. Even then, it wasn't exactly leaving the McLaren standing still.

4:50 veyron walked the mclaren and left it like it was a bus.

everything else you seen was clever editing to make it look close.

 

[McLaren]

4:50 veyron walked the mclaren and left it like it was a bus.

everything else you seen was clever editing to make it look close.

It hardly walked it. It put some length on it, but anyone with a brain can see it didn't gain on it like a RS6 on a bus.

An RS6 would blow by a bus length in a second at high speeds. The F1 was still moving dead next to the Veyron for a good 3-4 seconds so it wasn't being "walked". You're using a very poor metaphor & don't seem to have any concept of being "walked" means.


Oh, and thanks for providing the video. It only shows where your "no launch control" excuse really holds no water seeing as both cars got off the line just fine. The weight & torque of the F1 just allowed it to take off much faster.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

It hardly walked it. It put some length on it, but anyone with a brain can see it didn't gain on it like a RS6 on a bus.

An RS6 would blow by a bus length in a second at high speeds. The F1 was still moving dead next to the Veyron for a good 3-4 seconds so it wasn't being "walked". You're using a very poor metaphor & don't seem to have any concept of being "walked" means.


Oh, and thanks for providing the video. It only shows where your "no launch control" excuse really holds no water seeing as both cars got off the line just fine. The weight & torque of the F1 just allowed it to take off much faster.

Sour grapes much it's ok if it's hard for you to admit it

 

[McLaren]

Sour grapes much it's ok if it's hard for you to admit it

Not sour, I just know you're not as correct as you believe you are. Seems to be the usual from you.

 

[Peter]

The bug had quite a disadvantage. The Veyron didn't use LC, which can slice up to half a second off the cake, the turbos had problems in the heat, and the turbos are most of the bug's power. The bug left it in the sand anyways. The famous TG editing makes it look close and exiting.