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The McLaren F1 is oft quoted at:
0-60mph: 3.2s
Quarter Mile: 11.1s @ 138mph
Mile: 25.9s @ 204mph
The Veyron is quoted at:
0-60mpg: 2.5s
Quarter Mile: 10.6s @ 139mph
Luckily, a lot of the quarter mile numbers are the same, so we can spit out a relatively simple fag-packet calculation - the Veyron is 20 yards ahead (5 car lengths) after just a quarter of a mile.
I don't have any figures for the F1's standing mile, but it requires 28s to reach 200mph compared to the Veyron's 22s (and the Veyron will do that well within the mile) - the Veyron would be over a quarter mile ahead at that point.
Just for perspective, they push through the quarter mile 5 car lengths apart and while the McLaren does the next half mile, the Veyron does the next three-quarters...
However for the Veyron to do this, it needs to be in top speed mode. If the Launch Control is disabled, it's not in top speed mode, so it's running a 0.41Cd instead of 0.35Cd thanks to extra flaps and increased wing angle. This will blunt the performance "slightly" and bring the F1 closer but, as TG showed, not close enough.
0-60mph: 3.2s
Quarter Mile: 11.1s @ 138mph
Mile: 25.9s @ 204mph
The Veyron is quoted at:
0-60mpg: 2.5s
Quarter Mile: 10.6s @ 139mph
Luckily, a lot of the quarter mile numbers are the same, so we can spit out a relatively simple fag-packet calculation - the Veyron is 20 yards ahead (5 car lengths) after just a quarter of a mile.
I don't have any figures for the F1's standing mile, but it requires 28s to reach 200mph compared to the Veyron's 22s (and the Veyron will do that well within the mile) - the Veyron would be over a quarter mile ahead at that point.
Just for perspective, they push through the quarter mile 5 car lengths apart and while the McLaren does the next half mile, the Veyron does the next three-quarters...
However for the Veyron to do this, it needs to be in top speed mode. If the Launch Control is disabled, it's not in top speed mode, so it's running a 0.41Cd instead of 0.35Cd thanks to extra flaps and increased wing angle. This will blunt the performance "slightly" and bring the F1 closer but, as TG showed, not close enough.
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Not sour, I just know you're not as correct as you believe you are. Seems to be the usual from you.
And from you as you can see in the video the turbos came on boost the veyron hauled it in in no time at all and walked away from it but then you wouldn't be biased to the mclaren would you?
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The Veyron ( Or VW Polo Sports Gti as I would call it) is more a GT wit massive power after the second key is put in, diffrent tires are mounted and if you would drive the VW testtrack. Otherwise the 800+ bhp are still impressive.
But due to it' s weight it isn't a supersportscar in my book. The Mac F1 and F40 are examples of a supercar. You will have the minimum weight, the best handeling that the manufacturer can provid and it will go fast from A to B, but on a racetrack aswell.
To my knowledge, and I saw some pictures of it, the Veyron couldn' t get a good lap down on the Nurburgring, due to the weight and the steering isn't optimal for a track like that.
impressive technique? Maybe.
impressive design? Not in my book
impressive car? mwah.
But he, everybody it' s own taste ofcourse. I am hoping for the T35 Bug. That would be awesome. 👍
But due to it' s weight it isn't a supersportscar in my book. The Mac F1 and F40 are examples of a supercar. You will have the minimum weight, the best handeling that the manufacturer can provid and it will go fast from A to B, but on a racetrack aswell.
To my knowledge, and I saw some pictures of it, the Veyron couldn' t get a good lap down on the Nurburgring, due to the weight and the steering isn't optimal for a track like that.
impressive technique? Maybe.
impressive design? Not in my book
impressive car? mwah.
But he, everybody it' s own taste ofcourse. I am hoping for the T35 Bug. That would be awesome. 👍
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The second key doesn't affect the power (or the tyres). It has a 1001hp peak (or more, usually) all the time.
Is it not impressive to design a car which can do 253mph? Some car manufacturers can't even make a race car which doesn't take off at 170mph. Some car manufacturers can't even make a fashion item which doesn't then need an extra spoiler fitted so it doesn't take off at 130mph...
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Nope, stats like that don't impress me Famine ;-)
Nice to have the highest top speed, but what lotus does for example is more impressive to me.
1001 bhp? Nice, but how many times will you acctually use it. And looking at the people who bought the Veyrons, who will actually control it
50+, purple pants marketing CEO' s with overweight and a mustache will kick on the performance, but will never use it.
Isn' t that the case wit every supercar. Almost. Some you can actually take to the track and drive fast with.
Nice to have the highest top speed, but what lotus does for example is more impressive to me.
1001 bhp? Nice, but how many times will you acctually use it. And looking at the people who bought the Veyrons, who will actually control it
50+, purple pants marketing CEO' s with overweight and a mustache will kick on the performance, but will never use it.
Isn' t that the case wit every supercar. Almost. Some you can actually take to the track and drive fast with.
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This is the thing about the Veyron, it's 4wd and the way it is designed mean it is a relatively easy day-to-day driver. It's not a tail kicking modified 911 or eat you for breakfast 1200hp Viper.Nope, stats like that don't impress me Famine ;-)
Nice to have the highest top speed, but what lotus does for example is more impressive to me.
1001 bhp? Nice, but how many times will you acctually use it. And looking at the people who bought the Veyrons, who will actually control it
50+, purple pants marketing CEO' s with overweight and a mustache will kick on the performance, but will never use it.
Isn' t that the case wit every supercar. Almost. Some you can actually take to the track and drive fast with.
It does 253mph, and it does it in comfort, style and with relatively few demands from the driver.
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Then, what about other than the 50+ marketing CEOs, like Tom Cruise, Beckham etc etc, who can afford it, drive it etc? To me it sounds like you're just covering up your jealousy caused by the fact that you'll never own one..
and try to be just a bit more accurate with the grammar, alright?
@trying the jealousy card.Someone that drives a F40 or Mac F1, yes, I would like to take up that task for an hour.
If someone wants to pay that amount of money for a car, a boat or a house; please do so. That isn't saying anything about me.
But all I am saying that I dislike the Veyron and I think it is overrated as a marketing tool and isn't what Bugatti stands for in my book.
Let VAG/Bugatti make a lightweight sportscar like the T35 or an excellent saloon if they want to look at it from an heritage point of view.
Or are you looking to what your neighbour is driving, or what stars drive in the papers to now what is " hot" to like?
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Someone that drives a F40 or Mac F1, yes, I would like to take up that task for an hour.
If someone wants to pay that amount of money for a car, a boat or a house; please do so. That isn't saying anything about me.
But all I am saying that I dislike the Veyron and I think it is overrated as a marketing tool and isn't what Bugatti stands for in my book.
Let VAG/Bugatti make a lightweight sportscar like the T35 or an excellent saloon if they want to look at it from an heritage point of view.
Or are you looking to what your neighbour is driving, or what stars drive in the papers to now what is " hot" to like?
Lightweight sportscar isn't going to happen. In case you haven't noticed, the current Z4 which is considered as lightweight sportscar, is almost as heavy as SLR or GT-R. why? safety features, emission gadgets, passanger comfort.. even the MX-5 is getting heavier, as well as Lotuses you love oh-so-much.
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And Mazda is scraping of weight with the streetcars.
Ferrari is looking to take of weight and zo are the bigger European mass producers on the VW Golf platform.
Weight reduction is the next step in emmision reduction.
To my knowledge the power to weight ratio from and Exige S is still up with the Lambo' s and Ferrari' s. That still sounds impressive to me
So to add a final comment in this Veyron-thing;
No, I am not impressed by the Veyron. Every model sold, is sold with loss.
The weight is impressive. The figures are also impressive.
But for a super-GT I would preffer the style and class of a Maserati 👍
Ferrari is looking to take of weight and zo are the bigger European mass producers on the VW Golf platform.
Weight reduction is the next step in emmision reduction.
To my knowledge the power to weight ratio from and Exige S is still up with the Lambo' s and Ferrari' s. That still sounds impressive to me
So to add a final comment in this Veyron-thing;
No, I am not impressed by the Veyron. Every model sold, is sold with loss.
The weight is impressive. The figures are also impressive.
But for a super-GT I would preffer the style and class of a Maserati 👍
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Bugatti Veyron vs Mclaren F1 mile drag race from top gear.
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Bugatti Veyron vs Mclaren F1 mile drag race from top gear.
It's already been linked and quoted on the previous page.
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I dont get the point from the Mclaren F1 vs Bugatti Veyron Drag Race. I mean, it was already clear that the Veyron would win that race. TG just wanted to make money... 
To the Enzo vs Veyron @ Nurburgring:
If u watch the onboard cam from the Enzo, u will notice that the driver made alot of mistakes in his laps.
I`d like to know, which car goes faster around the Ring: The Veyron or the Mclaren F1?
My favorit is the F1!
To the Enzo vs Veyron @ Nurburgring:
If u watch the onboard cam from the Enzo, u will notice that the driver made alot of mistakes in his laps.
I`d like to know, which car goes faster around the Ring: The Veyron or the Mclaren F1?
My favorit is the F1!
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Didn't see it.
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And Mazda is scraping of weight with the streetcars.
Ferrari is looking to take of weight and zo are the bigger European mass producers on the VW Golf platform.
Weight reduction is the next step in emmision reduction.
To my knowledge the power to weight ratio from and Exige S is still up with the Lambo' s and Ferrari' s. That still sounds impressive to me
So to add a final comment in this Veyron-thing;
No, I am not impressed by the Veyron. Every model sold, is sold with loss.
The weight is impressive. The figures are also impressive.
But for a super-GT I would preffer the style and class of a Maserati 👍
Lightness due to lack of things in a Lotus is impressive? You'll love my souped up Ferrai F40 then - It's so not full of things and so light, that i can hold it in my hand! What an engineering masterpiece!
You've only really semi justified your point on why you dont like the Veyron. Do tell, what do you think could be done to improve the Veyron?
And this whole gubbins about a car being able to do those those speeds while keeping passanger comfort - I'll reiterate - You ask what kind of car is useful if you can go 400kmph? Granted - no kind. But ask your self this. What kind of car is useful if it can can mechanically go 400kmph but can't because the superhard handling-in-mind suspension set up will kill the driver before they reach it, and the car doesn't have enough traction to keep it firm on the road? Even less of one.
You are looking at it staining the fabric of Bugatti in the wrong way IMO. It is almost assumed that they were the best at both the track racers and the limos (as you said). Now forget about the "racers" and "limos" and focus on the "best". The Veyron is the fastest, easiest to use, and considered the best supercar - not the most fun, not the most practical, but the best because of the figures.
BTW I'm not biased - I'm a Pagani man myself 👍.
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The question is... if 400km/h isn't impressive, why is only one production road car capable of it?
The Veyron is a very impressive piece of engineering, made to fulfil 5 criteria which, at the start, were said to be "impossible" individually. I don't particularly care for the car, but I can recognise what an achievement it is.
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400 Km/h arent impressive if you have to sacrifice a lot of more important things.
The Veyron needs a very expensive tyre change after 400 Km/h, you risk that carbon fibre parts will fly off at that speed (extremely dangerous) and your fuel tank will be empty after that.
It would impress me more if it would reach 360 Km/h but look better. lol
Same with the Caparo T1, extremely fast car (not only top speed) but its not that cool anymore after you died in a fire or because of a crash after important parts broke.
The Veyron needs a very expensive tyre change after 400 Km/h, you risk that carbon fibre parts will fly off at that speed (extremely dangerous) and your fuel tank will be empty after that.
It would impress me more if it would reach 360 Km/h but look better. lol
Same with the Caparo T1, extremely fast car (not only top speed) but its not that cool anymore after you died in a fire or because of a crash after important parts broke.
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240mph was achieved by several production cars
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240mph was achieved by several production cars
400kph = 250mph
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We only really have one car to compare it to - the Hennessey Viper 800TT.
And, assuming you even get your Viper back from Mr. Hennessey in the first place, it'll need to go straight back to him for an engine rebuild afterwards.
To get there is impressive. To get there with a warranty is even more impressive.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSC_Aero
And there are several cars that are only 10-15 Km/h slower, while looking better (opinion of course), being less expensive and older.
I dont want to say that the speed itself isnt impressive, of course, but that wont make the car itself more impressive (to me).
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Not only that, but the Veyron actually drives like a fairly normal car, albeit with 1001+ hp
Anyway I do like the Veyron myself, mainly due to the fact that it is a technological showcase. It does what everyone said it wouldn't, with enough technology to make aircraft jealous
Plus it looks mad sexy in all black...
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Indeed - the Bugatti paved the way for others.
Here's the thing. 390km/h is only 2.5% less than 400km/h. But, all other things being equal, it results in a 5.2% increase in air resistance and you need an increase in power of 7.9% to counteract it. If the Veyron had 925hp instead of 1001, it'd only be able to do 390km/h.
And that's just the ability to actually do the speed. There's a whole extra world of pain coming in how to keep it stable at that speed. And comfortable - remember that Captain Slow demonstrated the Veyron's top speed (and was so disoriented by it that he tried to get out of the car while it was still doing 70mph).
As an engineering feat, the Veyron is impressive. As a footballer, Cristiano Ronaldo is impressive - and I can both recognise the fact and think that he's a vile, greasy rapist at the same time.
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Like i said, the speed is impressive, the overall car isnt (for me that is), because i find everything else except the top-speed ugly, boring and unimpressive. I think its overhyped, i think there are too many people who find it "kewl" and i think it could be more impressive if they wouldve focused less on top speed and more on other things.
I wont take that as a fact but an opinion, because if you like the design and if you like the sound (which i find also boring compared to most sportscars) etc. the car is impressive. I dont like either, so...
I wont take that as a fact but an opinion, because if you like the design and if you like the sound (which i find also boring compared to most sportscars) etc. the car is impressive. I dont like either, so...
