Bush's religion and separation of church and state

[CDailey]

An example where I feel the establishment clause is violated, though it doesn't involve Bush, would be the attempt to mandate the teaching of "creationism" or other religiously based pseudo-science in public schools.

Then why is evolution teached? What if the christian students that go to public school don't belive in this theory and don't want to be taught it? Shouldn't this clause apply to evolutionism too?

 

[87chevy]

Then why is evolution teached? What if the christian students that go to public school don't belive in this theory and don't want to be taught it? Shouldn't this clause apply to evolutionism too?

Hey, i don't believe in math and don't want to be taught, so let's get rid of that too!!!

[edit] Cobb thank you for clearing that up[/edit]

 

[Danoff]

Then why is evolution teached? What if the christian students that go to public school don't belive in this theory and don't want to be taught it? Shouldn't this clause apply to evolutionism too?

Because evolution is based on carefully documented evidence and is part of science. Evolution is necessary for understanding basic biology. Creationism is not part of science and not based on carefully documented evidence. Creationism is not necessary for understanding basic biology.

 

[CDailey]

Evidence? Evolution is a theory.

 

[87chevy]

Evidence? Evolution is a theory.

so, one day.... POOF! golden retrievers exist! wow, that's awesome, out of thin air!

 

[CDailey]

I know that Creationism is somewhat similar, as in God created us then we evolved into what we are today. But we didn't come from a ape, and we didn't come from a giant explosion.

 

[ledhed]

Why is it so hard to believe after thousands of years man evolved from apes ? Evolution has been proved btw ask any farmer or horse breeder. also take into account the differences between races . for example Eskimo's vrs American indians both races trace back to asia but look at the differences in body fat ,wieght distribution , pigmantation and bone density. Same for Arabs and africans. Open your mind. God will be proud of you , thats what he gave it to you for.

 

[87chevy]

Why is it so hard to believe after thousands of years man evolved from apes ? Evolution has been proved btw ask any farmer or horse breeder. also take into account the differences between races . for example Eskimo's vrs American indians both races trace back to asia but look at the differences in body fat ,wieght distribution , pigmantation and bone density. Same for Arabs and africans. Open your mind. God will be proud of you , thats what he gave it to you for.

:applause: 👍 👍

 

[CDailey]

Why is it so hard to believe after thousands of years man evolved from apes ?

Ok, so I used to be a monkey? Awesome.

Evolution has been proved btw ask any farmer or horse breeder.

How has evolution been proven? Evolution is a theory. And a theory is not proven facts.

also take into account the differences between races . for example Eskimo's vrs American indians both races trace back to asia but look at the differences in body fat ,wieght distribution , pigmantation and bone density. Same for Arabs and africans.

It's called adaptation.

Open your mind. God will be proud of you , thats what he gave it to you for.

My mind is open. Open enough to belive what God has said and open enough to know that evolution is an unproven theory that will remain unproven.

 

[Danoff]

My mind is open. Open enough to belive what God has said and open enough to know that evolution is an unproven theory that will remain unproven.

Evolution has been scientifically proven to occur. In fact, biology is based heavily on it. We need to get Famine in here, he's the biology guy.

 

[CDailey]

Ok, but how has it been proven? That was my question.

 

[Danoff]

Breeding of any kind proves evolution. We can observe how traits from parents get passed on to children. That alone proves evolution.

 

[CDailey]

Well if that's true then how did man come from a monkey? Which two monkeys get their freak on and their kids became less like them and more like a human? That doesn't make sense now does it? A child is very much like their parents. There is nothing else for a monkey to mate with for their offspring to become more human like because the monkey is the closest animal with human character traits.

 

[Duke]

Well if that's true then how did man come from a monkey? Which two monkeys get their freak on and their kids became less like them and more like a human? That doesn't make sense now does it? A child is very much like their parents. There is nothing else for a monkey to mate with for their offspring to become more human like because the monkey is the closest animal with human character traits.

OK, in quick answer: It makes sense unless you don't want to believe it.

In slightly more detail: Look at what I highlighted in red above. A child is very much like its parents... but not exactly, correct? Do you still think your children's children will look like you over 10,000 generations? Now: imagine that amount of change, repeated over millions of generations, over hundreds of millions of years. Why is it inconceivable that people would have changed radically from what they were hundreds of millions of years ago?

Now, if we want to continue this discussion, please move the Evolution/Creation topic to this thread, where it has been discussed at great great length:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13444&page=6&pp=20&highlight=church

 

[CDailey]

OK, in quick answer: It makes sense unless you don't want to believe it.

In slightly more detail: Look at what I highlighted in red above. A child is very much like its parents... but not exactly, correct? Do you still think your children's children will look like you over 10,000 generations? Now: imagine that amount of change, repeated over millions of generations, over hundreds of millions of years. Why is it inconceivable that people would have changed radically from what they were hundreds of millions of years ago?

Now, if we want to continue this discussion, please move the Evolution/Creation topic to this thread, where it has been discussed at great great length:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13444&page=6&pp=20&highlight=church

Ok, that clears it up a little, neon_duke and you do make a valid point. But I stilll belive in Creation. To each his own I suppose.

 

[ledhed]

Over time through breeding mutations occur. Some good some bad. the species with the good mutations survives to produce offspring who inherit these mutated traits and in turn pass them along, some of these mutations are through the process called adaptation the species that donot adapt die and fail to reproduce the species that survive go on to adapt again. your monkey for example may produce a smarter monkey who through his offspring create even smarter versions of himself because they are more intelligent they begin to use tools wich enables them to travel further from there origional eviroment wich then causes them to adapt further both because of the climate chages and the use of tools and changes in diet. That generation evoves further along the same lines and passes its superior genes along to the next generation who again repeats the process etc. etc.
So after 300 generations of adaptation and evoloution why cant this monkey start taking on a form resembling a human ? Then after another 3 or 4 hundred generations why couldn't this humanoid resemble todays version of man ?

 

[Pako]

Over time through breeding mutations occur. Some good some bad. the species with the good mutations survives to produce offspring who inherit these mutated traits and in turn pass them along, some of these mutations are through the process called adaptation the species that donot adapt die and fail to reproduce the species that survive go on to adapt again. your monkey for example may produce a smarter monkey who through his offspring create even smarter versions of himself because they are more intelligent they begin to use tools wich enables them to travel further from there origional eviroment wich then causes them to adapt further both because of the climate chages and the use of tools and changes in diet. That generation evoves further along the same lines and passes its superior genes along to the next generation who again repeats the process etc. etc.
So after 300 generations of adaptation and evoloution why cant this monkey start taking on a form resembling a human ? Then after another 3 or 4 hundred generations why couldn't this humanoid resemble todays version of man ?

This has nothing to do with the current topic at hand. As neon_duke has so graciously suggest, take the evolution vs. creation topic to the designated area.

Thank you for your time.