Cars you don't want in GT5

[LeadSlead#2]

1: High technology in 1962? You really can't compare the Elan with the Elise...
2: English cars and American (Muscle) cars are 2 completely different kind of classes. The English people did it in their own non-muscle way, the Americans did. Lotus went for drivability and low weight, not power.
3: Why do you think the Mazda MX-5 doesn't have a high powered engine in it? Because that car isn't ment to be the fastest car around, it's all about the joy to drive in it. Lotus did it the same way with the Elan. It was a car to cruise around with, not to break speed records.

Anyway, I'd suggest to play a game like Forza (which I don't have, but the car list says enough). That game has a few slow(er) cars and loads of fast and American cars. A game like that fits in your wishlist.

I heard Forza sucked....
I wouldnt call the miata a great car either
joy of driving is great, but some people include speed in joy of driving... in fact, a Lot do so, not great, but good

 

[Gabkicks]

190hp on something that small doesnt really feel week.. unless you are used to driving 400+ hp cars like ferrari's and porsches. i've never driven an elise before so i wouldnt know for sure.. but by looking at lap times i'd assume the car has decent performance.

 

[Dave A]

allow me to clarify
Lotus Elan S1...handles great, neat little car... great car? no, absolutly not.. why? because they had plenty of tecnology and know-how to give it more power than they did... just like the new Lotus with the 190 hp engine... it would be great, but sadly, is not due to being horribly underpowered. but thats just me

I completely dissagree with you here, the Elan was one of the greatest cars of it's time, it would beat most high powered muscle cars from not too long after round a track as well.

As for calling the Lotus Elise horribly underpowered, drive one, push it to it's limits, I dare you. You'd crap yourself faster than the car would. I'm getting this mental picture of a kid thats never actualy driven a real car before right now. What I will say, is the sense of speed is lacking in GT games with the slower cars, play EPR and the under 100bhp cars feel great in that. This is partly because EPR has a bette sense of speed, but it's also largly down to the fact that irl you can spin a 72bhp cars tyres and you can kick the back nd out if you over do a corner and so on, and that happens in EPR.

As for Forza, it's definitely not crap, it's a great game. Not worth buying an XB for alone which is the only reason I don't have it, but if I already had an XB I'd snap it up.
You talk about experiencing driving pleasure and part of that pleasure is speed, well congratulations, it is. But you know whats more important than that, carrying the speed through the corners. I think the only experience of driving pleasure you've had is infront of your PS2, maybe I'm wrong, but your posts certainly imply that.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

thats the dumbest accusation ive heard yet... if you drove in a fast (somewhat) car with me youd scream and call me crazy.. like everybody else
should I tell you about racing an M3 on the highway, just 2 weeks ago in my brothers 350Z? going 140mph up rt 4 in florida near Jacksonville? at 4pm? or will that make me crazy? maybe, if your nice, I'll upload some pics of some of the cars I've driven and cars (mainly my brother) people I know drive ( I'd upload video of the 350 at 160 if I had the stuff to do it)
P.S. I dont know what country your from, but unless your over 40, here in America 22 isnt really a kid anymore

last but not least, you, like many others fail to realize how badly say, a 68 camaro would cream a 62 lotus on a road course (except for maybe a really really curvy one) - because you put WAY to much emphasis on handling and none on speed... whereas if you actually drove cars fast, you might realize that each is as important as the other

Edit: don't worry though, his 93 Firebird is WAY faster... I'll be driving that again next week

edit#2: should I mention that a 3100lb evo can run through the slalom just as fast & hold just as many G's on a skidpad as a 2000lb Elise? but its way quicker, & can go faster than 148.... and would go even faster with better gearing... so excuse me if I don't think lotus is the all-singing, dancing, crap of the world

 

[JohnBM01]

LeadSlead... go easy on my buddy "Live4Speed."

You bring up two things which makes a car a great performer- handling and speed. Not many classic American muscle was known for precise handling. Not many European cars were exceptionally fast. Like I said. If I had to think about what would lead a person to saying that American cars are better because they are faster, that I'd blame it on how we were raised in automotive society. In terms of here in America, is one raised on the fact that only American cars are the fastest and most fun out there, or on the fact that the car world is as big as the ones we live in?

From an analytical standpoint, which is better- speed or handling? If you prefer speed, you'll be ready to sacrifice handling in the process. If you prefer handling, you won't go very fast. Contrary to popular belief, race cars don't need to be high-horsepowered demons. Trust me when I say that racing a Mini Works Car from GT2 was about as fun my other true love- the Toyota GT-One. Sure, the speed and power difference was much different (hell... it has 76hp, but the game automatically boosts it to 236 just for you!), but just enjoying the handling and the fun ride. I don't think some of you get it. Speed is fun, but do you want EVERY car to do 200 mph even if they aren't tuned or supposed to go that far? There are a great number of cars with under 100 hp and are still enjoyable. The best example I'll give you is the Mini Cooper. At first, I hated Minis. I never thought there was anything special about a car from the 1960s with little hp and no speed. But racing one around a track in the game, it's really well-built. I don't want a speed demon with something like a Mini. Even Daihatsus can be fun. The Suzuki Cappucino is probably the coolest small front-engine/rear drive under 64hp. I even drive around a few Fiat 500 series autos from the old days. The Suzuki GSX/R4 is a beast when tuned. VERY light, low speed, great acceleration, great handling... I couldn't care less if I had a Ferrari or Porsche. I don't need a fast, expensive car to enjoy speedy fun.

You know, look up my old threads. One about impressing arcade racing fans with GT, appreciating older automobiles, making racing history important to the next GT... and that sort of thing. Why look them up? Because obviously, people don't understand the point of all these cars in these games. Just because you like 200+ mph all the time every day doesn't mean that anyone else has to like it too. We're all different. More to come on this in a later post.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

well, 1st off, I never said I had a problem with other people liking slow, well-balanced cars... other people did, however, have a problem with me not liking exceptionally slow cars... 2nd off, I don't want all cars to go 200, but I don't want a LEADSLED either... I like the Lotus Elan... but it's to d@m slow for me... I like the Elise 190... thats fast enough for me in the game... but if it was faster, the car would be better.. why? because it wouldnt make it handle any worse, but it would make it respectable.
Why do I say it's not respectable? its a "sports car" that can't go 150... Nissan Altimas can go faster, and to me, thats just stupid...
As for you guys wanting these slow cars? good for you, It doesnt bother me one bit -- as I've said before, to each his own, but that doesnt change the fact that I personally don't want to be forced to drive them just to get 100% in the game -- it's boring for me

P.S. if I really wanted all the cars to be crazy fast, why would I set the limit to 100hp?

 

[Dave A]

Leadslead, like I said, you SOUND like you don't drive by the way you type. You come across as though power and top speed is everything, I don't mean any offence, but thats how you come across to me and I prefer to be straight with people. As for a more powerful Lotus Elise, you can't take that thing much faster, the cars too small and light, if you took an Elise to 150Mph or more it wouldn't go round a corner gracefully, the snap oversteer would be lethal. Nothing about that car was designed to go that speed.

Take the Lotus Exige for example, around 200bhp, beats the C6 Vette round most tracks, It even hammerd the Evo VIII by 4.5 second on the TopGear track, and it beat the M3 CSL by 3.6 seconds, a Lotus Elise or Exige ISN'T slow by any definition of the word.

As for enjoying driving anyone that has driven an Elise will tell you, it doesn't get that much better. I've been lucky enough to drive a Super Seven, 160Bhp, would I call it slow, not at all, tops out at 130mph, but it could hit 60 in 4.5 and carried on acclerating rapidly, and it could keep speed in the corners far better than an M3 ever could.

As for being forced to drive a car to get 100%, well you SHOULD have to win every race to get 100%, like it or not, thats what 100% means. I've not got 100% in GT4 and never will have, simply because of the 24hr races, live with it.

I'm not attacking you're opinion here, so don't feel that I am, I'm meerly stating why I dissagree with you though my last post may have souded a bit like I was (maybe because at the time I probably was, but I had a couple of drinks last night). It's an opinion you're entitled to have, but theres my reason for dissagreeing.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I just have to add something here; There is nothing wrong with the sense of speed in GT4! What is wrong though, is grip. Tyres are far to grippy in GT4, compared to reality. This means that the sense of speed is "slowing down" while you can get to unreal cornerspeeds with even N2. OK, N2 is labeled as a tracktyre in the game, so actually only N1 will represent your everyday tyre, at least sufficiently enough.
Put N1 on a for example a Mustang GT and the same for a Lotus Elise 190 and drive them on say Laguna Seca and see wich will be the fastest around that (The Elise should win).

But I doubt that even N1 is close enough to RL.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

I just have to add something here; There is nothing wrong with the sense of speed in GT4! What is wrong though, is grip. Tyres are far to grippy in GT4, compared to reality. This means that the sense of speed is "slowing down" while you can get to unreal cornerspeeds with even N2. OK, N2 is labeled as a tracktyre in the game, so actually only N1 will represent your everyday tyre, at least sufficiently enough.
Put N1 on a for example a Mustang GT and the same for a Lotus Elise 190 and drive them on say Laguna Seca and see wich will be the fastest around that (The Elise should win).

But I doubt that even N1 is close enough to RL.

the only problem with all of this-- is the fact that, these cars will spin the tires like uncontrollable demons with N1's... (mainly the mustang) which is Not true to life... I have no idea why your compare an elise to a mustang on a trackin GT4..... we all know the elise will win.... and there's no way the elise is going to keep up with the like of a Z06...

Since I don't have my GT4 right now.. anybody who would like to, I would love to hear what a Lotus Elan '62 will run on some track (maybe Nurburgring)? and also what a car such as a 69 Camaro (or any muscle car) in a comparisan... just a thought

 

[Dave A]

Yeah, irl a Mustang WILL spin it's tyres a lot if you put the pedal down hard, the N1's in GT4 are possibly the most realistic tyres in the game, at least for all the cars I've driven that appear in GT4 they do.

Besides, who compared a Lotus Elan to a 69 Camaro, the 69 Camaro was probably the fastest muscle car of the 60's round a track, theres plenty of 300ish bhp muscle cars that were crap at circuits. And to do a test like this, definitely not the Ring, that track heavilly favours speed, you need a balanced track which has a couple of fast sections, a couple of slow sections and then not too complex bit's between them.

And comparing the Elise to a Z06, that depends which Z06, because I think the old one might just be in for a suprise, the new one, definitely not.

Arguing which car is fastest and then comparing them in GT4 is pointless, because GT4 is not super realistic, it's not even that close, all the cars grip far better than they do in real life, the power delivery isn't as great as it should be either. And the characteristics of the cars going over bumps is off as well, the way the balance changes might seem right, but it's not, in some cars it's almost opposite to what really happens.


Oh and BTW, happy B'Day.

 

[tha_con]

thats the dumbest accusation ive heard yet... if you drove in a fast (somewhat) car with me youd scream and call me crazy.. like everybody else
should I tell you about racing an M3 on the highway, just 2 weeks ago in my brothers 350Z? going 140mph up rt 4 in florida near Jacksonville? at 4pm? or will that make me crazy? maybe, if your nice, I'll upload some pics of some of the cars I've driven and cars (mainly my brother) people I know drive ( I'd upload video of the 350 at 160 if I had the stuff to do it)
P.S. I dont know what country your from, but unless your over 40, here in America 22 isnt really a kid anymore

last but not least, you, like many others fail to realize how badly say, a 68 camaro would cream a 62 lotus on a road course (except for maybe a really really curvy one) - because you put WAY to much emphasis on handling and none on speed... whereas if you actually drove cars fast, you might realize that each is as important as the other

Edit: don't worry though, his 93 Firebird is WAY faster... I'll be driving that again next week

edit#2: should I mention that a 3100lb evo can run through the slalom just as fast & hold just as many G's on a skidpad as a 2000lb Elise? but its way quicker, & can go faster than 148.... and would go even faster with better gearing... so excuse me if I don't think lotus is the all-singing, dancing, crap of the world

Because going fast OBVIOUSLY gives you knowledge about a car.

There is a term that is used in america to describe one such as you, which original referred to import lovers only, but has since spanned across a more broader horizon. RICER.

Speeding on a highway? WOW. That is rediculous. Retarded. STupid. ANd most importnatly, shows you are either a) afraid to go on a track, or b) lack the skill to do so.

Don't come in a thread claiming knowledge on cars and then tell us "I went fast, I know, blah blah blah". Give me a break.

If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know how stupid those statements sound.

Being forced to DRIVE and show the difference in your SKILL as a DRIVER/RACER period, is much more satisfactory, than say, speeding around a race track where the difference in distance can happen extremely quickly.

I'd be willing to wager you're one of the people who instantly max's out all of the power a car has, simply to make the race "easy" right? You probably boast about how you have "beat the computer" in the first lap? Try making every race 150+ points, THEN you can see what "driving" is about, instead of sounding like a CHILD regardless of your age.

You obviously don't appreciate cars as much as you think you do, otherwise you'd have some respect for the ORIGINS of the cars you claim to love so much.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

I don't want to see anything in the game lost. Hell, I like the trucks/SUVs, classics, and underpowered "Kei" cars! They're a total blast in multiplayer.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

Because going fast OBVIOUSLY gives you knowledge about a car.

There is a term that is used in america to describe one such as you, which original referred to import lovers only, but has since spanned across a more broader horizon. RICER.


ricers are idiots who think stupid things like putting type R badges on baseline civics are cool, & just generally ignorant people who love imports, & give them a bad name... I prefer American cars genius

Speeding on a highway? WOW. That is rediculous. Retarded. STupid. ANd most importnatly, shows you are either a) afraid to go on a track, or b) lack the skill to do so.

you should also have realized that I said people would say I was crazy.. or stupid, (generally what either pu$$y's or jealous people say)

Don't come in a thread claiming knowledge on cars and then tell us "I went fast, I know, blah blah blah". Give me a break.

okay, if you were paying any attention, or knew what the hell was said, you'd realize I only stated that when someone said I'd never been in any kind of a fast car.. let alone driven one

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If you knew anything, you wouldnt have said any of this

Being forced to DRIVE and show the difference in your SKILL as a DRIVER/RACER period, is much more satisfactory, than say, speeding around a race track where the difference in distance can happen extremely quickly.

this doesnt even make any sense.. what the hell are you talking about?
I can't prove myself on a racetrack? or on the road? where can I? possibly the NEW dumbest thing I've ever heard

I'd be willing to wager you're one of the people who instantly max's out all of the power a car has, simply to make the race "easy" right? You probably boast about how you have "beat the computer" in the first lap? Try making every race 150+ points, THEN you can see what "driving" is about, instead of sounding like a CHILD regardless of your age.


perhaps you should take a trip to the "Stock car race/comparison challenge" thread... see how many 200pt entries I have... i also have 64000 A-Spec points.. 100% complete with all golds too... besides that, what the hell does GT4 have to do with real life driving???

You obviously don't appreciate cars as much as you think you do, otherwise you'd have some respect for the ORIGINS of the cars you claim to love so much.

you are one arrogant jack@$$ you know that, right?
just because I've driven many cars and actually know that a Mustang doesnt spin it's tires off the line in real life even as much a with S2's in GT4, doesnt mean you have to get all whiny and cry... go ahead drive an 03 Mustang (or a newer one for all I care) go round a turn at 15mph rev it up and dump the clutch in 1st... grip and go, baby! Mustangs in GT4 with S2's run 14.9 in the 1/4mi... do you really believe thats what they run in real life? try 13.9-14.1 mr knows all about cars
why do I need try learn origins of the elise? i think its front end is fugly, & it doesnt have enough power to justify the hype - get over it you frickin little kid

P.S. why in the hell, if I'll go 140 on the highway, would I be to scared to go on a track? -- this is what I mean when I say your ignorant, and don't even make sense

 

[tha_con]

I'm not the one who went 140 on a highway, that is the dumbest things I've ever heard, as well as many others.

You are a typical wanna be street racer type, so I won't waste my time with long posts (which is unusual for me, but I can already tell it's a waste to speak much to you).

So, continue to think what you think, and hopefully one day you will become a prime Darwin Candidate, I just hope no one else is involved while you're going 140mph next time.

Cheers and good writtens mate!

 

[LeadSlead#2]

awwwwwww, another person whining about somebody speeding....
do you realize that the highway fatality rates are lower in Germany? they go faster than 140 over there...
also, roadways in Germany are, in general more congested... since the country is slightly smaller than Montana, and theres approx 82 million people in it, compared to Americas large mass with only (relative) 280 million... fun facts for the person who deems himself almighty to tell me how to drive...

P.S. one of the dumbest things you've heard? you mean you NEVER heard of somebody going faster on the highway? (in America), you either need ut of the cave, or its not even close to one of the stupidest things you've heard about

 

[JohnBM01]

To reiterate my main points... * Trucks are almost perfectly fine as long as you're not racing Excursions and H2s and stuff. If you're going to include (especially SUVs), Dakar race machines in the "Car" class are prime candidates. A collection of American and Japanese trucks should be a nice selection. And oh, yes... who said trucks are only for rally racing? They may not be tailored to F1-style road courses, but they are still performance machines. What you don't like about them can be patched up so you can MAKE them perform. THAT'S WHY YOU TUNE CARS! So what wouldn't I want from trucks? most SUVs. * Minivans and such are almost perfectly fine. I usually think of minivans as much more capable station wagons... or as most of you Europeans call them, estate cars. Most minivans can perform, and if you can mod one to being a respectable road course racer, then you're the man (or the woman if you're a girl gamer). So what wouldn't I want from minivans? Not too much. If you want an interesting transistion in minivans, it would be interesting if PD included the Chrysler Pacifica. It is a beautiful automobile that's told to be a "segment buster" when it debutted a few years ago. * I liked the Vintage collection in GT4. How often is it that you get to drive automobiles from before 1901? Wasn't that Auto Union Streamliner a beautiful German automobile? Don't you love that beautiful Mercedes-Benz 300SL? This is automotive history, and you're putting it down by not acknowledging these beauties. They may be "antiques" to you, but you're getting a history lesson out of this. Racing games should be about enjoying driving and racing, but for a devoted auto fan, racing shouldn't be the only purpose of a game like this. So what wouldn't I want from "antiques?" Keep the "antiques." Hell, add more of them. If they positively contributed to automotive history, they deserve a spot in Gran Turismo. Cars were fast in their day. Like back in 1911, Indy Car speeds were around 89 mph. 1969, the fastest Indy Car speeds were around 150 mph. Now look at them. Well over 200. Don't like them? You're not a car person. Respect your elders. * Anything less than 100hp. You said 50hp, but I'm going one better. Some cars packed this little horsepower. Not a lot of people in Europe or even Japan wanted a Mustang with a big or small block. Likewise, most Americans couldn't give a crap about a Sunbeam Tiger doing well at Le Mans. So what wouldn't I want from cars under 100hp? Let me think... NONE! Even small cars can perform. That's the problem. Some of you are so used to fast cars and unreal handling. Live a little, man! They are cars. Tune them if you don't like them.

Class dismissed. Whew! That was a long one...

 

[LeadSlead#2]

all, this crap about history, I didnt see a single pre-1963 American car in the game besides the Ford model T.... how about a 57 chevy? or any older American cars? how about the Oldsmobile that changed SCCA racing forever? where's that?
if they wanna include historic automobiles, fine, but get them all
otherwise, nothing anybody says will convince me that they are necessary -- since we don't have them all - clearly PD is rating specific favs... but who am I kidding? they've always featured way more Japanese cars than anything... I can't get more than, what? 5-6 used cars (ok maybe 10) that arent Japanese... so screw it all

 

[tha_con]

awwwwwww, another person whining about somebody speeding....
do you realize that the highway fatality rates are lower in Germany? they go faster than 140 over there...
also, roadways in Germany are, in general more congested... since the country is slightly smaller than Montana, and theres approx 82 million people in it, compared to Americas large mass with only (relative) 280 million... fun facts for the person who deems himself almighty to tell me how to drive...

P.S. one of the dumbest things you've heard? you mean you NEVER heard of somebody going faster on the highway? (in America), you either need ut of the cave, or its not even close to one of the stupidest things you've heard about

I've been to germany, and I've driven on the autobahn, and you wanna know what? A lot less people DRIVE in germany than in the united states, but per car owner, there are MORE accidents in germany than in the United States, that's FACT. To make that a bit clearer for the likes of you, that means percentage wise, of the cars that are in germany, there are more accidents than in the US, and if Germany had the same amount of people and drivers, you'd see the difference.

People like you don't know how to drive, so you speed around the highways etc etc. I autocross every month during season, and I do a lot of track events for personal fun, but I never speed around ont eh highway like an idiot. People like you are LOOKED DOWN ON by car enthusiasts. We view you as CHILDREN of the car world. Grow up and maybe you'll see how stupid it is to drive around a highway and put others in danger, yourself in danger, and break the law. You my friend, are the idiot.

 

[mprata]

I like all the cars GT4 has (including the carriages, the sub 50 cv cars and the trucks). About the trucks.... I WOULD GO NUTS if they included more trucks like BMW X5, BMW X3, Land Rover Defender 90/110, Land Rover Discovery, and etc....
These trucks would ROCK on rally races 👍

 

[LeadSlead#2]

I've been to germany, and I've driven on the autobahn, and you wanna know what? A lot less people DRIVE in germany than in the united states, but per car owner, there are MORE accidents in germany than in the United States, that's FACT. To make that a bit clearer for the likes of you, that means percentage wise, of the cars that are in germany, there are more accidents than in the US, and if Germany had the same amount of people and drivers, you'd see the difference.

you do understand that a fatality rate is a percentage, right?
you also realize that that means if you amplified Germany to the same population, the rates would NOT change..
People like you don't know how to drive, so you speed around the highways etc etc. I autocross every month during season, and I do a lot of track events for personal fun, but I never speed around ont eh highway like an idiot. People like you are LOOKED DOWN ON by car enthusiasts. We view you as CHILDREN of the car world. Grow up and maybe you'll see how stupid it is to drive around a highway and put others in danger, yourself in danger, and break the law. You my friend, are the idiot.

are you suggesting that ANYBODY who speeds is a bad driver? you are truly the most ignorant person i've encountered thous far... 6 years so far, nobody's hurt... you're right, the accident rate in Germany is higher... which makes the fact that the fatality rate is lower even MORE impressive.... but thanks for trying.... and telling me you go to Germany and stuff like that would be more believable if you had a profile or Something to say where you live....
P.S. YOU do not represent the car enthusiast community, YOU are NOT the all leading saying crap of the Enthusiast group -- and if you were smarter, you would realize MANY enthusiasts speed... a lot. IF you actually race on road courses, you are just another guy, who ran around a road course, and deemed himself an amazing driver, because he raced on a track - I never claimed to be a fantastic driver although I AM definetly better than your average joe... and likely, you too -- but anyway, we could go back and forth about who's a good driver and who sucks, but since you apparently dont live anywhere, we'll never be able to race -- but, I guess you would be to scared to since I'm crazy stupid and SPEED!!! oh no, let it go, I dont like the slow lotus, get back to the topic

 

[LeadSlead#2]

I'd Like to see the ability to actually LOWER trucks... like noticably, maybe... 2-3inches off the ground... If they do that, I'd love to see some more new and slightly older trucks featured

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I'd Like to see the ability to actually LOWER trucks... like noticably, maybe... 2-3inches off the ground... If they do that, I'd love to see some more new and slightly older trucks featured

Yeah, that would be really cool! You can sort of do that for phototravel, if you have fully customizable suspension on it, but for driving? Not really that low, no. And the only truck in the game that looks really cool lowered is the Silverado. The fact that it has rather large sideskirts is what makes it look cool that way.

 

[Raghavan]

If they're going to put more 1 hp carriages in it, i think you should be able to turbo it/ S/C, put racing filters and all that stuff, and make it have about 50 hp to go racing with other low hp cars.

 

[Bossman]

Here are a few that I absolutely do not want in GT5:


Audi A2 1.4

The A2 is considered to be ahead of its time, but IMHO the 1.4 is not the right model for GT5.

It should instead be replaced with the Audi A2 3 L / 1.2l TDi and Audi A2 1.4 TDI 66 kW, which suit the A2 better as a self proclaimed "techno mavel" then the 1.4.



Opel / Vauxhall Corsa 1.4 Comfort

Apart from being a car for learners and the Irritable Bowel brigade (in the UK) I can see no purpose having this car in GT5, the novelty of tuning it up wears off very quickly for me because it looks so dull in any color.

It should be replaced instead with the Vauxhall Corsa 1.8 SRi which IMHO has alot more right to be in GT5 then the Opel / Vauxhall Corsa 1.4 Comfort.



Volkswagen Lupo 1.4

Same with the Opel / Vauxhall Corsa 1.4 Comfort, there is nothing unique about this particular model unlike the GTi version for example which is considered a true successor to the Mk1 Golf GTi.

It should instead be replaced with the Volkswagen Lupo 3L (which has a 1.0 3-cylinder diesel which can consume as little as 3 liters per 100 kilometers) in GT5, since it gives a unique contribution to motoring then 1.4 can ever muster.


semi-off topic


Opel / Vauxhall brands

I do want them both to be in GT5, but would appreciate it if they would make both brands more distinct by adding cars such as Opel Manta GTE & Vauxhall H.P. Firenza for example.

Otherwise there is little point in having both brands in GT5.

 

[The Italian]

Cars I don't want in GT5...Hmmm. Lets see, The Minolta 88C-V, R92CP, and cars in those classes. I mean, those cars make the game too easy. Its like in a way '' cheating '', mostly in part becuase you go to 0-150 in like 2 seconds and you go laughing by because you blow the competition away every time. Those type of cars ruin the game, PD needs to make GT5 more of a challenge. Not with fast races but with slow races on a complicated course.

 

[RouteUK]

Hehe i love the 1hp cars, and the ugly cars. Its cars you see every day on the road and cars you have never seen at all that make Gran turismo what it is..... if they had every car you wanted it would be like Choosing that one and doin the same thing over again.

U need selection. GT4 gave a real feel of looking through for the car you need. Just like GT2 aswell. GT3 was just a let down. GT1 is full or cars i like, but i always return to GT2.....

So even if ur new car doesnt make it up the first hill on the track....or makes you physicly sick or makes u hide ur memory card when ur friends come. They are better there than not!!! also Bring Back the racing mod, love it!

 

[tha_con]

are you suggesting that ANYBODY who speeds is a bad driver? you are truly the most ignorant person i've encountered thous far... 6 years so far, nobody's hurt... you're right, the accident rate in Germany is higher... which makes the fact that the fatality rate is lower even MORE impressive.... but thanks for trying.... and telling me you go to Germany and stuff like that would be more believable if you had a profile or Something to say where you live....
P.S. YOU do not represent the car enthusiast community, YOU are NOT the all leading saying crap of the Enthusiast group -- and if you were smarter, you would realize MANY enthusiasts speed... a lot. IF you actually race on road courses, you are just another guy, who ran around a road course, and deemed himself an amazing driver, because he raced on a track - I never claimed to be a fantastic driver although I AM definetly better than your average joe... and likely, you too -- but anyway, we could go back and forth about who's a good driver and who sucks, but since you apparently dont live anywhere, we'll never be able to race -- but, I guess you would be to scared to since I'm crazy stupid and SPEED!!! oh no, let it go, I dont like the slow lotus, get back to the topic

So you're telling me that just because I dont' name my occupation as a soldier in the military, having been stationed in germany, it's not believable? Please, get off it.

2 points.

1) You say that the percentage would not change. When have YOU ever driven on the Autobahn? It is not what you think, not your friendly run of the mill highway, if Germany had half the drivers of the US that percentage would go through the roof, period. There is no question about it. The only reason the percentage is low now is because a) the population is lower, and b) fewer people use privately owned vehicles, it's all about public transportation and biking/walking in germany.

2) I'm not suggesting speeding makes people bad drivers, I am suggesting, however, that people who exceed the speed limit by 80mph on a public road, are VERY bad drivers. Not necessarily skill wise, just decision wise, and smarts wise.

You are a young breed of "enthusiast", plain and simple. Children will be children, they always have, you get that fix on speed and think you need it. You've never had real competition, and you've only gone straight and probably street raced. You think you're tough stuff because your brother drives a 350 and you occasionally roll around in it, speeding around town to show off your ego. You would get served by a car with 80 fewer horses on a track, I can tell by your tone alone, and nothing more.

And this has evolved as you are trying to make a statement about fast cars, and going fast, yet prove to have little knowledge of cars in general, you probably know how to hit the gas and the break am I right? I've completely rebuilt motors, restored classics, and appreciate automotive work, you just speed.

Anyway, this is the end of the debate from my side, you've proven yourself, at least to me, to be a young at heart childish driver, and until you display the type of attitude that any real professionl, or aspiring professional, or even legit enthusiast, you will forever be an amatuer with a chip on his shoulder.

Cheers.

 

[Sjenk]

Cars I don't want in GT5...Hmmm. Lets see, The Minolta 88C-V, R92CP, and cars in those classes. I mean, those cars make the game too easy. Its like in a way '' cheating '', mostly in part becuase you go to 0-150 in like 2 seconds and you go laughing by because you blow the competition away every time. Those type of cars ruin the game, PD needs to make GT5 more of a challenge. Not with fast races but with slow races on a complicated course.

I don't mind having the Group C cars (like the Minolta) in the game, but the races/championships should have more restrictions like they did in GT2 ("max hp: 498" or something like that). If they do that, the game must be played in a fair way.

 

[luftrofl]

Cars I don't want in GT5...Hmmm. Lets see, The Minolta 88C-V, R92CP, and cars in those classes. I mean, those cars make the game too easy. Its like in a way '' cheating '', mostly in part becuase you go to 0-150 in like 2 seconds and you go laughing by because you blow the competition away every time. Those type of cars ruin the game, PD needs to make GT5 more of a challenge. Not with fast races but with slow races on a complicated course.

They don't make the game too easy if you race them against eachother.

But they do make the game too easy if you use them in races such as JGTC.

 

[Dave A]

The problem with GT, is racing a JGTC car against JGTC cars is too easy.