Cars you don't want in GT5

for the record, it was 70 over... not 80... drama queen
<---Look! I live in Pennsylvania - There's no such thing as a straight road here... but if it makes you feel better to say it...
by the by, It's a 6-speed... so I'd imagine I can find the clutch... I still can't help but think you have forgotten (or never learned) that I only mentioned (Bragged I'm sure you'd like it called) going fast when someone said I'd never been in or driven a fast car - Unless, that is, you can show me otherwise? but I guess since you realized how wrong you are, your going to try to save face by playing the "I'm to mature for this" card... maybe you'll fool some people here, but certainly not all, not after some of the stupid things you said


How about multiple difficultys for GT mode? then we could all race appropriate cars against the comp
 
live4speed
The problem with GT, is racing a JGTC car against JGTC cars is too easy.
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I concur. I get great enjoyment out of the JGTC-like races around Nurburgring, but even when racing very very similar cars to mine (stock JGTC NSX against similar ones, for example).. I out accelerate and out-corner them in every section of the track even with harder racing tires. It's ridiculous.

And LeadSlead - chill out. You've been arguing against every sentence that slightly disagrees with you.. go play some GT4 or something. You sound like you need a vacation or some medication :P
 
Yeah, the discussion you guys are in is quite off topic and can be done with PMs in my opinion. We've accepted Leadslead's opinion, although some people do not agree with him. Well, we've discussed a bit about that and I don't think that needs 2 pages...

Let's keep this thread clean from now on? ;)
 
To get back on topic. Keep them all. However, we don't need 26 R34 Skyline's, 13 Evo VIII's, 18 NSX's and 12 EG-6's. They're all the same.

I like the low powered mini cars. It shows determination. I like the trucks and SUV's. It show variety. I like the vintage/antique cars. It let's you appreciate history. I'll simply collect them and drive them on the weekend. :)

I don't however want NASCAR. There is no skill going 200MPH+ around in a circle. Bring in some SUV's, trucks, classics, vintage/antiques. I also think they should put in autocross courses to bring out the skill in the drivers. Lose the drag. There's no skill in that either. The car does everything for you.

I think they need to get more strict on the race events. If the race line up is full of cars with 125-145BHP, you shouldn't be allowed to enter with a 500BHP NSX. It's just not right and in my opinion is cheating. Be a real racer, not a ricer.


My 2 cents.
 
>bleurabbit7

Exactly, a HP limit would be great, just like in GT2 👍

Oh, I agree about the A2 and the Corsa ....but the Lupo,ever driven a stock one on N2s around the Ring? Even with THAT little power, it's really fun to drive (i really mean it), kinda like the old Mini......Not very fast, but fun :)
 
LeadSlead#2
for the record, it was 70 over... not 80... drama queen
<---Look! I live in Pennsylvania - There's no such thing as a straight road here... but if it makes you feel better to say it...
by the by, It's a 6-speed... so I'd imagine I can find the clutch... I still can't help but think you have forgotten (or never learned) that I only mentioned (Bragged I'm sure you'd like it called) going fast when someone said I'd never been in or driven a fast car - Unless, that is, you can show me otherwise? but I guess since you realized how wrong you are, your going to try to save face by playing the "I'm to mature for this" card... maybe you'll fool some people here, but certainly not all, not after some of the stupid things you said


How about multiple difficultys for GT mode? then we could all race appropriate cars against the comp
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America has his speed limits not for nothing.
You totally rely on the percentages to feel urself safe.
Imagine your going 140 tomorow again and you actually crash. It's not a fact YET but if you DO something stupid tomorow it's fact and no numbers or percentages help you to get out of the hospital.

140 is a crazy speed, although lotsa people get killed in much lower speed crashes too though.
Thats not really the point, try to know what your doing.

I can remember some things that went wrong against all facts with me and the most annoying thing is that you cant replay it and correct your mistake. It's always too late if you HAVE an accident.

Just think about that next time u hit the throttle....
 
I think the Lupo is a very good track car. I had my Lupo 1.4 slightly tuned with a BHP of 107. I had sport soft tyres, a triple clutch and semi-racing suspension and was killing cars that were twice to three times my power. It's a great beginner car.
 
NO! NEVER! :grumpy:

;)

Not really part of the thread subject, but some people also said which cars they DO want in the game. I would say bring back the Renault Espace F1 and also put the Ford Transit F1 modified car in: Click to see some Transit wallpapers That would raise the fun factor even more. Transit vs Espace at the Nurburgring :P
 
LeadSlead#2
just because I've driven many cars and actually know that a Mustang doesnt spin it's tires off the line in real life even as much a with S2's in GT4, doesnt mean you have to get all whiny and cry... go ahead drive an 03 Mustang (or a newer one for all I care) go round a turn at 15mph rev it up and dump the clutch in 1st... grip and go, baby! Mustangs in GT4 with S2's run 14.9 in the 1/4mi... do you really believe thats what they run in real life? try 13.9-14.1 mr knows all about cars
why do I need try learn origins of the elise? i think its front end is fugly, & it doesnt have enough power to justify the hype - get over it you frickin little kid
P.S. why in the hell, if I'll go 140 on the highway, would I be to scared to go on a track? -- this is what I mean when I say your ignorant, and don't even make sense
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1) A Mustang won't spin its wheels off the line? Puh-leeze. My Ranger spins its wheels off the line, and it only has 195 lb/ft of torque. You want to see the Mustang slide around? Try taking a turn at WOT at 30 mph. I guarantee you'll be sitting bass-ackward on the track.

2) Just because the Elise is ugly (I think it is too, though certainly not the worst I've seen) doesn't mean its a crappy car. Torque and top-speed are fun on a drag strip, but on a real track handling is just as important as all-out speed, if not more so. Being able to hit 200mph doesn't mean jack if your car can't take corners.

3) The fact that you'll go 140 on the highway only proves that you are exceedingly stupid and will not be missed if you are removed from the gene pool. You want a place to go fast? Take it to the local drag strip. Don't endager everyone else's life by speeding through rush hour traffic at 70 mph over the limit.

4) You've driven a Firebird, 350Z, blah-blah... so what? This is the internet, I call BS unless you can produce pics and videos with no excuses.
 
It is not ment to be fast in the first place? Please read the whole thread and if you have done that, comment us why we are wrong in your eyes. Just stating that we are wrong without giving one real argument (concidering a 1886 car slow is not an argument, it is a fact).

And btw, please stop all those 'flame' replies. If you want to flame, go use the PM system, that's one reason it is here. I'd like to see a nice discussion here (although like 95% has been discussed already).
 
colton19911
Daimler Motor Carriage. It's way too slow.
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Sure it´s slow, but imagine a race between those oldies on a short track like motorland. Hilarious! :lol: I would love it! And also allowance for tuning! Supercharged Daimler Motor Carriage with 3(!) hp :dopey: and a racing suspension... :dunce:
 
Is that all :lol:. I'm in two minds on the carriages, I mean sure they are super important when it comes to car history and what not, but they have no purpose for racing, not in the game or the real world. I don't think we'd ever see tham racing. I think perhaps keep them i, but maybe use them for a mission hall event and then have them available for your amusement as and when like in GT4.
 
mplacki
1) A Mustang won't spin its wheels off the line? Puh-leeze. My Ranger spins its wheels off the line, and it only has 195 lb/ft of torque. You want to see the Mustang slide around? Try taking a turn at WOT at 30 mph. I guarantee you'll be sitting bass-ackward on the track.

2) Just because the Elise is ugly (I think it is too, though certainly not the worst I've seen) doesn't mean its a crappy car. Torque and top-speed are fun on a drag strip, but on a real track handling is just as important as all-out speed, if not more so. Being able to hit 200mph doesn't mean jack if your car can't take corners.

3) The fact that you'll go 140 on the highway only proves that you are exceedingly stupid and will not be missed if you are removed from the gene pool. You want a place to go fast? Take it to the local drag strip. Don't endager everyone else's life by speeding through rush hour traffic at 70 mph over the limit.

4) You've driven a Firebird, 350Z, blah-blah... so what? This is the internet, I call BS unless you can produce pics and videos with no excuses.
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It'll be a lot easier for me to keep it friendly without a-holes like this constantly telling me how to live and what's in my future... since they seem to think they are God... I do go to the dragstrip (I did in FL anyway)... good luck with your top speed thing on a drag strip...and I'm stupid? you think you can use top speed in a 1/4... so everybody who thinks they know the secret to life - tell somebody else about it, I'm not repeating any defense or argument 5 different times to 5 different people - so it's quiet time now for you.... I do have pics dumb-dumb, if you actually read all the posts, instead of jumping into an argument you knew nothing about, you'd have heard me say earlier I'd try to posts pics sometime this week... hopefully you now feel as stupid as is appropriate for these dumb, pointless, arrogant, know-it-all remarks you have all (3) made... good day
 
I don't think the Daimlers were meant for racing anyways. If you go around thinking that every machine is a race car, then of course you're going to feel like you've been snubbed or wasting your life with these cars. Unlike most other people, I try not to slap these Daimlers in the face. After all, they were the first gas-powered cars. Without them, we would have been having steam-powered cars. Can you imagine a steam-powered Audi R8? A steam Shelby GT350 or Shelby GT500? A steam Ferrari Enzo?

On top of that, don't even call these machines "antiques." Do you know what antique signifies? An antique signifies something from the past which is of very little importance to modern cultures. What if you GT5 had 1920s Bentleys and Alfa Romeos? Are they "antiques" because they aren't as fast as today's F1 cars (keep in mind that I'm talking about these types of cars before the name "F1" was commonplace.

Now that I think about trucks (I have my own truck thread in the GT5 forums, so do a search to find it), I wouldn't want anything like an Escalade, a Hummer H2... you know, something not really fast or solid as a road racing or rally performer.

Carry on discussion...
 
I could be wrong here, but I think the Ford model T would have been made regardless of the Daimlers.... and, although it may not be technically accurate, the common use of the word "antique" is for anything older than 25 yrs old... aka a 69 camaro is considered by many to be an antique...
 
And besides that, I think lots of people use Antiques when they mean Oldtimers/vintage cars. It's not to take these vintage cars down in my opinion. If you wouldn't have said that 'Antiques' is a form of insulting, I would have said antiques as well (but that's mainly because English is not my first language and I don't use 'vintage' that often ;) (ok, now I do it a lot more, but still :P))

The rest of your reply is fine though JohnBM01 ;)
 
In terms of the racing vs driving game issue, the real "driving" game is Midtown Madness. If you really want trucks, minivans, etc in a simulator, put it on the wishlist for the next Midtown Madness. GT is a racing game that just happens to use normal cars (mostly), as opposed to other games that use race cars.

In terms of the "antiques", I call them that because they are older than the "classic" cars of the '20s and '30s, for lack of a better term. Perhaps "vintage" would be a better name. Besides, not all antiques are insignificant. Ever heard of Antiques Roadshow?
 
JohnBM01
You called, Sjenk? ;-) There was a discussion about this very thing in a very old thread. I know the thread is about what kinds of cars aren't needed in GT5, but let me address your individual points.

TRUCKS - Let me tell you something. I was going to agree with you on trucks before seeing what GT4 had to offer. When I first played GT4 at an EB store, I actually thought racing trucks was quite fun. Yeah, they are slow and heavy. But if you ask me, you want a truck to be proud of? Make it either the Ford SVT Lightning or the Toyota Tacoma. I recommend the Tacoma because to me, it isn't a truck. It is the lighest of the offered trucks and can be lightened down to just over 3,000 lbs. For a truck, that's amazing. Slap on some racing upgrades and a Stage 2 NA upgrade, and you have a machine that's pretty cool. I even used my Tacoma to win the Japan Championship. So, I'd like to see a few more of those, even some 1930s Willys trucks. If the truck can do well in racing, I say put them in. I just don't want anything like a Hummer or anything.

MINIVANS - I remembered watching an episode of Speed Channel show "Sports Car Revolution." It was a battle of a Honda Odyssey with a few people in it to weigh it down somewhat, and a Plymouth Superbird in an Autocross setting. The Odyssey beat the Superbird in Autocross. I can even recall a Dodge Grand Caravan able to go from 0-60 in about 6 seconds. For a van, that's impressive. Some vans can be performers, so keep some big time machines. I'd especially would be interested in seeing the Renault Espace F1 again.

VINTAGE (or as you call them, antiques) - This is automotive history. Sure, I wouldn't normally want to race a Subaru 360, but there are some nice vintage cars you can enjoy racing. For one, the Honda S800 Race Car. That thing is a front-engined go-kart. You have to understand older cars to appreciate newer ones. GT4 celebrated the history of the automobile and did it almost perfect, and you don't want them because they are slow? Come on, now!

More to come!
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TRUCKS: Once again, I exempt the sport trucks like the Xtreme. I just don't want the big, heavy trucks that don't look like they belong on a track. Also, the Tacoma you used is the X-Runner, a sport truck

MINIVANS: I don't want anything that doesn't look like it belongs on a racetrack, no matter how fast it goes. Some people like to race any car that can go fast, some people will only accept cars that look as fast as they can go. Minivans look like they go from 0-60 in 15 seconds, rather than 6 seconds. They are not racecars.

VINTAGE: I am talking about the prewar cars. The Subaru 360 and Honda S800 are fine, but no 19th century cars that are only fun to drive, rather than race. What's the purpose having a car in a racing game that is useless other than for entertainment purposes?
 
Well, keep in mind. You don't have to race all the time. You can take a car to the track for a shakedown. Thing is, it isn't just about racing. I'm going to release a thread soon on something related to this. But for the most part, yes. The Daimlers were never meant to be racing machines. I think it's there for historical reference as well as knowing what fast was like then. Do they deserve place in a *racing* game? Probably not. Is it pointless to include a car like this in the game where gamers can actually drive or race these machines? Absolutely not. Actually, I think they can be quite fun. Sometimes, I don't really feel like tearing up the track. Sometimes, I just want to race something that doesn't reach 200 mph in a quick time. That's the magic to GT games. It gets pretty dull with just fast cars all the time.

Now to defend my Minivan deal. I'm sure many people agree with you that they don't need to be in the game. They aren't race cars at all. Name me a minivan that's actually won a prestigious race. Exactly. Another thing is, while they may not be race cars, it doesn't mean they still can't be made for that purpose. People say you can't have fun with cars like you can in Burnout or something, but that's bull to me. Wouldn't you want the nicest day-to-day minivan that turns into the ugly monster on the race track? Live a little, man! Okay, they may be vans. Just don't give me that "oh, they are only grocery getters."

The reason why I'm defending the vans and pre-war vehicles is because some people have an unconditional love of racing. Why do you think some American straps a jet engine into a Ford Focus and take it drag racing? Why do you think someone would want to race a school bus around some "short" track on Saturday night? Two things. One, it's just a game. The other thing is, you don't have to actually race certain vehicles. They don't have to be only cars made for speed. From what I've seen in posts, the single most satisfactory element to some GT gamers is seeing their daily drivers in the game. Doesn't mean they have a Ferrari-killer or a high-speed demon... I think the people who enjoy Gran Turismo games the most are people who understand the joy of driving in cars slow and fast, ugly and beautiful, weak and powerful, fragile and agile... you dig? I sort of have this dedication too, so why mess up a good thing? Let the kids have fun, already!
 
John BMO--- you are WAY to stoked about fast minivans.... wouldnt you rather have a fast wagon, or sedan, ANYTHING before a minivan? while its fine to like minivans, you certainly cant expect others to "live a little" with them.... Minivans can't be great racecars, either... maybe with craploads of cash, they can compete with high class stock, street cars, but they'll never run with any kind of racecar, not with that high of a center of gravity, and that much weight

P.S. I have completed GT4 twice, and have all GT games... and get no satisfaction from 15 hp cars or minivans or suv's... but I love the neat cars, & I love the driving being so much more realistic than other games...(that I've played)
so I keep playing (unless GT5's has as many inconvenient things as GT4)
 
I think the variety is one of the key's the GT, I don't want PD to limit that. It can be fun racing in your minivan, it takes different techniques to drive it ect.
 
I'm not saying they should not include them... I'm just saying that dude sounds really stoked about them... and its a little weird... just like those dudes racing school bus's in figure eights...
 
Mr. Boy
I wouldn't want to see too many variations of the same car, or manufacturers (or even entire countries) that only have one car included in the game. Case in point: Spain/Seat, Belgium/Gillet.
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Hehe, I'm replying to my own post! :lol:
Anyway, adding to the point above, I wouldn't want to see an excess of ordinary cars. Most of the cars in GT4 are found in the Used Car Lots. I only went there if I had to buy a car to finish a Showroom race, or to buy the Black Race Cars. So most of the cars in GT4 end up wasted. Also, I don't want so many concept cars in the game. I mean, what's with all the SUVs? Who cares about the Mitsubishi I? And why is the Ford GT Concept in the game if the completed production version is there already?

I don't really mind small cars. Heck, I'm sure I could have a good time racing them. And I'm not sure if the Daimler Motor Carriage and Benz Motorwagen deserve to be in the game. (They were the first cars ever , but they're slower than dirt!) Leave them there if we can tune 'em (Not sure if you could do that in GT4).

When GT5 is done, it should have 450 cars at the most. 1000 cars is total overkill.
 

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