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Hun200kmh
Consider what you have for certain:


I'm only missing 4 locations then. But I'm missing a lot of variations. That's why I remain hopeful that "locations" don't mean "tracks", because that would mean each track had to have between 3 and 4 variations each. I don't think that's possible.
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Not that i don't agree with all that you have posted so far, but this highlighted bit is a little incorrect.
It is possible to have even 10 variations of one track if you were to play Forza.
It is also possible to have many variations if a 'track' is point to point, and it has been broken into many rally stages.
 
irnbrutwinturbo
Not that i don't agree with all that you have posted so far, but this highlighted bit is a little incorrect.
It is possible to have even 10 variations of one track if you were to play Forza.
It is also possible to have many variations if a 'track' is point to point, and it has been broken into many rally stages.
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You are right, but I refuse to admit the game will have only more 4 tracks than the ones in my above list (or 5 if you take out my "wishful-spa-thinking")

I am in denial of such a reality :P.
 
Pointless discussion with so much endless speculation.
However their will be more than 20 tracks that is guranteed and thats all Id like to point out on that matter.

Everything about GT5 is biggger or better than before or competiting games, so I see no difference in the tracks not being included.
Car detail and polys, number of cars in game,number of cars on track, damage not only being added but detailed to a higher degree. Simulation imporved physics, audio improved, recognises real world cars, industry, various racing series and global television entertainment. Includes many exclusives and introduces car brands not in GT before like Bugatti,Ferrari,Lambo's.

It is clear to me they have set out to ensure this game redefines not only racing games but GT in itself and online racing.

You guys can continue to speculate and count tracks.
Im going to count down the days till release.
 
Imo the locations showed in the weather system of gt5p will be some of the real tracks of gt5. Cause, if not, that weather system is just senseless.
 
Hun200kmh
Consider what you have for certain:

1) GT5P tracks and possible variations in GT5 (some exist in GT5P)

- Suzuka (that's probably one location, 3 variations)
- High Speed Ring (1 location, 2 variations if you count HSR Reverse)
- Fuji (1 location, 3 variations like in GT4)
- London (1 location, maybe 2 variations also)
- Eiger (1 location, 2 variations if you count Eiger Reverse)
- Daytona (1 location, 2 variations)

This amounts already to:
6 locations, 14 variations

2) GT5Demo track and possible variations in GT5

- Indianapolis (1 location, 2 variations)

this leads to:
7 locations, 16 variations

3) Tracks we have reason to believe will be in GT5

- Nurburgring (1 location, 3 variations - NS, GP, NS+GP)
- La Sarthe (1 location, 2 variations ... maybe 3 if they have Bugatti)
- Madrid (1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)
- Rome (1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)
- Tokyo (1 location, 2 variations if you include Reverse)
- Top Gear (1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)
- Rally track (Tuscany, 1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)


And this gets us to:

- 14 locations, with 31, maybe 32 variations


I will now be speculative and will add to the list:
- Spa-Francorchamps (1 location, 2 variations)
- Tsukuba (1 location, 2 variations)

And find a total of "most certain" 16 locations with 35 or 36 variations.

I'm only missing 4 locations then. But I'm missing a lot of variations. That's why I remain hopeful that "locations" don't mean "tracks", because that would mean each track had to have between 3 and 4 variations each. I don't think that's possible.
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This guy has the right idea.

20 circuits doesn't make any sense because it's obvious Laguna Seca & Grand Valley will be in (I'd be amazed if they weren't), along with the edition of SSR5 (which you forgot, mate), bringing the total "confirmed" number of "locations" to around 18 (I didn't count Spa). So, if 20 locations is the case, you're telling me there's going to be less than 5 rally stages in the game?
 
Until there is some new information to confirm the number of tracks it is pointless to keep discussing this and going round in circles. Everyone is hoping there will be many more than 20 unique tracks so it understandable it's causing so much debate but why don't we just agree to disagree until we know more. Hopefully we'll get some more info from the Belgian Motor Show which starts tomorrow.
 
evilneal
Until there is some new information to confirm the number of tracks it is pointless to keep discussing this and going round in circles. Everyone is hoping there will be many more than 20 unique tracks so it understandable it's causing so much debate but why don't we just agree to disagree until we know more. Hopefully we'll get some more info from the Belgian Motor Show which starts tomorrow.
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I have to agree but i can't help but disagree, so maybe if you disagree then it both means we don't agree which in effect means that we do agree. :crazy:

You agree?
 
Hun200kmh
Consider what you have for certain:

1) GT5P tracks and possible variations in GT5 (some exist in GT5P)

- Suzuka (that's probably one location, 3 variations)
- High Speed Ring (1 location, 2 variations if you count HSR Reverse)
- Fuji (1 location, 3 variations like in GT4)
- London (1 location, maybe 2 variations also)
- Eiger (1 location, 2 variations if you count Eiger Reverse)
- Daytona (1 location, 2 variations)

This amounts already to:
6 locations, 14 variations





2) GT5Demo track and possible variations in GT5

- Indianapolis (1 location, 2 variations)

this leads to:
7 locations, 16 variations




3) Tracks we have reason to believe will be in GT5

- Nurburgring (1 location, 3 variations - NS, GP, NS+GP)
- La Sarthe (1 location, 2 variations ... maybe 3 if they have Bugatti)
- Madrid (1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)
- Rome (1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)
- Tokyo (1 location, 2 variations if you include Reverse)
- Top Gear (1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)
- Rally track (Tuscany, 1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)


And this gets us to:

- 14 locations, with 31, maybe 32 variations


I will now be speculative and will add to the list:
- Spa-Francorchamps (1 location, 2 variations)
- Tsukuba (1 location, 2 variations)

And find a total of "most certain" 16 locations with 35 or 36 variations.


I'm only missing 4 locations then. But I'm missing a lot of variations. That's why I remain hopeful that "locations" don't mean "tracks", because that would mean each track had to have between 3 and 4 variations each. I don't think that's possible.
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+1

With 60+ variations there could be anywhere between 20-35 locations.
 
Rome would be a great track, as well as Madrid. I can think of a minigame where you drive through Madrid in a...car with the F.C. Barcelona crest on it. Mwah-hah-hah! :lol:

On-topic: I wish I could go to CES...
 
Also Motegi!

There will be 20 locations (maybe countries) and 70 variations (maybe tracks).
 
Hmm, 20 locations confirmed? I guess the most sensible meaning is that it means either 20 countries or 20 circuits in each country. I can't see how else you could get it to 60 variations, although "variations" for Rally's could be considered stages, which could be a number like 11 for most of today's Rallys.
If there was only 2 Rally locations but they have 11 stages, then I could definitely see there only being "20 tracks". Using Hun's list, 22 variations would quickly get you to 60...

I guess we will find out in a few months time.
 
driftking18594
Rome would be a great track, as well as Madrid. I can think of a minigame where you drive through Madrid in a...car with the F.C. Barcelona crest on it. Mwah-hah-hah! :lol:

On-topic: I wish I could go to CES...
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They would have to make a brand new damage modeling system if you did that.
 
Since WRC, INDY, and Nascar are in, we could expect a lot of tracks.

There are 7 real tracks in GT4, 13 city/rally, and 10 original tracks that totals 30 without variations, considered that theres a chance that all those 30 tracks gonna be in GT5, and if you add Midrid, Rome, Eiger, Daytona, Indy Raceway, that mountain pass from FT 86 video (forgot whats it called), Toscany, that mystery race track from 458 tribute (the one in desert) and the Top gear test track thats 39 tracks without variation. And those other tracks that haven't been confirmed and still a rumor. Like Spa, Monza, and Silverstone. My take is there's gonna be 60 tracks without variation if they haven't unveiled some WRC, Nascar, and Indy race track. I wont belive the 20 tracks and 60 variation until I see the final game. And don't forget, we're talking about KY here a person that likes to surprise everyone. :lol:
 
Ardius
Hmm, 20 locations confirmed? I guess the most sensible meaning is that it means either 20 countries or 20 circuits in each country.
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how do you get 20 circuits in each country out of "20 locations?
 
Hun200kmh
Consider what you have for certain:

1) GT5P tracks and possible variations in GT5 (some exist in GT5P)

- Suzuka (that's probably one location, 3 variations)
- High Speed Ring (1 location, 2 variations if you count HSR Reverse)
- Fuji (1 location, 3 variations like in GT4)
- London (1 location, maybe 2 variations also)
- Eiger (1 location, 2 variations if you count Eiger Reverse)
- Daytona (1 location, 2 variations)

This amounts already to:
6 locations, 14 variations





2) GT5Demo track and possible variations in GT5

- Indianapolis (1 location, 2 variations)

this leads to:
7 locations, 16 variations




3) Tracks we have reason to believe will be in GT5

- Nurburgring (1 location, 3 variations - NS, GP, NS+GP)
- La Sarthe (1 location, 2 variations ... maybe 3 if they have Bugatti)
- Madrid (1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)
- Rome (1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)
- Tokyo (1 location, 2 variations if you include Reverse)
- Top Gear (1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)
- Rally track (Tuscany, 1 location, nothing known about variations but I will assume 2)


And this gets us to:

- 14 locations, with 31, maybe 32 variations


I will now be speculative and will add to the list:
- Spa-Francorchamps (1 location, 2 variations)
- Tsukuba (1 location, 2 variations)

And find a total of "most certain" 16 locations with 35 or 36 variations.


I'm only missing 4 locations then. But I'm missing a lot of variations. That's why I remain hopeful that "locations" don't mean "tracks", because that would mean each track had to have between 3 and 4 variations each. I don't think that's possible.
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What if..

..PD designed a Track (a virtual one) which consists of several parts which could be assembled on your own in several variations ?

Think of i.e. 5 (smaller) Suzuka tracks linked toghether...
(an eastern part, western part, inner part, outer part...)

This would lead to many different variations.

Know what I mean ?

This could be the reason for the people hearing the rumor of a "Track Editor" or the rumor of "Tracks that can be built by the player"..
 
ralph89
Since WRC, INDY, and Nascar are in, we could expect a lot of tracks.

There are 7 real tracks in GT4, 13 city/rally, and 10 original tracks that totals 30 without variations, considered that theres a chance that all those 30 tracks gonna be in GT5, and if you add Midrid, Rome, Eiger, Daytona, Indy Raceway, that mountain pass from FT 86 video (forgot whats it called), Toscany, that mystery race track from 458 tribute (the one in desert) and the Top gear test track thats 39 tracks without variation. And those other tracks that haven't been confirmed and still a rumor. Like Spa, Monza, and Silverstone. My take is there's gonna be 60 tracks without variation if they haven't unveiled some WRC, Nascar, and Indy race track. I wont belive the 20 tracks and 60 variation until I see the final game. And don't forget, we're talking about KY here a person that likes to surprise everyone. :lol:
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100% agree

Game is just to big to have only 30-40 tracks. We know how inacurate translation from japanese could be. In almost every interview there were diffrent words for 20 , and 60.

In my opinion it's 20 location/countries like Japan, Italy, GT World and 60 tracks without variations.

Also consider that Kazunori ALWAYS downplay numbers.. so it could actually be over 60+ tracks.

Also GT5 has almost 40% more cars so why there would be 40% less tracks ??????
 
These are possibly 18 of the 20 locations we've seen (Which is the GT5 track list)

1. Daytona
2. Fuji
3. Eiger Norwand
4. Suzuka
5. High Speed Ring
6. London
7. Indy
8. Rome
8. Madrid
9. Tokyo
10. Lemans
11. Unknown Mountain road (shown in Toyota FT-86 video)
12.________________
13. Nurburgring
14. Tuscany
15. Tsukuba
16. Unknown City track (shown in GT by Citroen Concept trailer)
17. Possibly EI Captain (shown in Ferrari California Debut trailer)
18. Top Gear Test Track
19. SSR5
20. Spa (unconfirmed but rumored)
 
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11. Unknown Mountain road (shown in Toyota FT-86 video)
12. Unknown Desert track (shown in Ferrari 458 Italia video) It wasnt a desert, it was the same environment as in the Tuscany Rallye track from the E3 trailer, so "Tuscany"=1 "Location" is a possibility here.
14. Unknown Rally track (shown in GT5 concept trailer) See above.
15. Race track (the track where it shows the GT by Citroen crash in the GT5 trailer) Thats Tsukuba.
16. Unknown City track (shown in GT by Citroen Concept trailer) You mean that night track?
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You forgot SSR5 which we have seen in the latest scans.
 
Perkel
Also consider that Kazunori ALWAYS downplay numbers.. so it could actually be over 60+ tracks.
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Even if he's downplaying the numbers, you're still just speculating. 20 locations with 60 variations could be some 35 tracks and 90+ variations. You just jumped straight to the idea that 60 automatically means tracks. It would be great but let's not get too excited.
 
Perkel
100% agree

Game is just to big to have only 30-40 tracks. We know how inacurate translation from japanese could be. In almost every interview there were diffrent words for 20 , and 60.

In my opinion it's 20 location/countries like Japan, Italy, GT World and 60 tracks without variations.

Also consider that Kazunori ALWAYS downplay numbers.. so it could actually be over 60+ tracks.

Also GT5 has almost 40% more cars so why there would be 40% less tracks ??????
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There's been a lot of hoo-haa about this. But GT4 had "locations", 20 locations for GT5 means the same thing. What did we have for 4? Europe? North America? Dirt/Snow?, etc.

Ignoring the obvious fact that GT5 won't have less tracks than GT4, no dev will decrease size content when you have an infinitely better hardware platform to work with.
 

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