Chinese SUV gets zero in NCAP Safety Test
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@M5
Chery Motors? Never heard of it. Jili, Chang'an, Hong qi, but no Chery comes to mind.
Malcolm Bricklin is a smart guy, he's an entrepreneur! If he's gonna bring anything to a high level market like North America, he would most definitely make sure that the quality doesn't ruin his name.
Chery Motors? Never heard of it. Jili, Chang'an, Hong qi, but no Chery comes to mind.
Malcolm Bricklin is a smart guy, he's an entrepreneur! If he's gonna bring anything to a high level market like North America, he would most definitely make sure that the quality doesn't ruin his name.
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Flerbizky
Apparently, Chinese drivers find it pretty hard.
They have something like ~2% of the world's cars, but 15% of the world's traffic fatalities. Twice the number of traffic deaths in the US, which has 30% of the world's cars.
I'd say at a minimum, it will take China 15 years to acheive parity with the Koreans. 25 to even approach the Japanese.
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I doubt it's an issue with traffic density. Beijing is likely no more dense than Tokyo or New York or LA.
I would venture that people in China are simply not used to there being so many cars on the road. And they aren't being given the quality of training or enforcement they need. And the infrastructure isn't in place for it.
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I would venture that people in China are simply not used to there being so many cars on the road. And they aren't being given the quality of training or enforcement they need. And the infrastructure isn't in place for it.
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In comparison to LA or NYC, Beijing's traffic density isn't that bad when it comes to cars, but there are lots more people on foot or on bike. And the traffic laws don't seem to pass for much, either. So, I'd guess that most traffic fatalities aren't from cars running into each other, but cars (or busses or trucks) running into people instead. Drivers there don't have any problems with coming up real close to each other or pedestrians.
Firebird
Are you for real?
Malcolm Bricklin is a laughingstock. His name was ruined thirty years ago at the hands of his plastic-bodied turd of an excuse for a car called the SV-1.
depsite it's(SV-1) ugly look and unjustified performance, it's still unique and rare... IMO it falls into the same category as Delorean.
NSX-R
You called me uninformed and then state you've never heard of Chery motors? Do a Google search. Hell, here's the main English website for the brand's US introduction:
http://www.vvcars.com
I'm so sick of people posting when they don't know any facts.
Firebird
As a Canadian, how can you say that?
I'm letting you off easy here - he certainly ruined his name by attaching it to the Bricklin SV-1, but you've either forgotten or omitted the fact that the man is responsible for bringing Subaru to our shores. I know you're an American car guy, but even if you don't like Subaru, you can't argue with economic success, and that's what Subaru enjoys.
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NSX-R
Well, actually, when I went to China this summer, the trip from the airport to the hotel convinced me to just hire taxis rather than renting a car, seeing as no one, and I mean NO ONE, obeyed the traffic rules. Pedestrians crossed the street no matter the traffic lines are red or green. Cars are oblivious to traffic signals too, and the suicidal bicyclers and moped riders weave through everything, horns blasting.
M5Power
Hold on a second, I know that brand...since I was 10. It's original name was Qi'Rei, in Chinese it sounds like Chery... They changed the name to please your US folks.
I know the facts, just so you know.
btw, if you are so upset about me calling you informed, I appoligize, and I take it back...
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///M-Spec
That's something. A lot of the fatalities occur because the drivers just don't know how to drive. Here in the Philippines, drivers go around with about the same level of recklessness as the Chinese, but you see less accidents because they're used to it. Of course, that's not saying a lot. There are a lot of stupid accidents out here anyway.
You guys ought to come out here. Driving in this country is the best crash course in defensive driving you can find anywhere. The paradigm for driving in Asia? "Assume that all the other drivers are crazy and unpredictable, because they are."
I'm not holding my breath waiting for Chinese car makers to catch up with Korea and Japan. The level of quality and workmanship is nowhere close. Chinese manufacturers are good at volume, not quality control. Korea took a long time to catch up with Japan. China might not have that luxury in today's crowded market, and with the oil situation as it is, low tech engines are a definite liability.
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M5PowerAs a Canadian, how can you say that?
I'm letting you off easy here - he certainly ruined his name by attaching it to the Bricklin SV-1, but you've either forgotten or omitted the fact that the man is responsible for bringing Subaru to our shores. I know you're an American car guy, but even if you don't like Subaru, you can't argue with economic success, and that's what Subaru enjoys.
As a Canadian the SV-1 is the only thing that sticks out in my mind.
I have no biases against Subaru. Bricklin's impact on Subaru was minimal. Yes, he imported them to the US first. Did he have anything to do with any subsequent success? No. He sold about 6000 Subaru 360s in his time. Peanuts. He's had nothing to do with Subaru since 1971, when Fuji Heavy Industries bought him out of Subaru of America: they didn't want him involved.
After being paid off by Subaru he used the money to found General Vehicle Corp. and its subsidiary: Bricklin Canada Ltd. Bricklin conned the New Brunswick government to give him $25 million. In exchange the province was given 51% of Bricklin shares. The company ran up about $30 in debts before being declared bankrupt. New Brunswick auctioned off most of Bricklin Canada Ltd. and General Vehicle Corp.'s assets in the late '70s. As far as I know the province still owns Bricklin Canada Limited's trademarks and other intellectual properties.
To understand why the SV-1 was such a flop is to understand Malcolm Bricklin. He led a particularly lavish lifestyle: cars, mansions, etc. He pissed away most of the money he ever had on "stuff". He spent more money marketing the cars than engineering. His businesses have always been more about image than substance. He's been sued numerous times for fraud. It's the reason why he's had so many businesses: his partners would usually buy him out and file civil suits against him within a few years, usually citing misapropriation of funds.
After having run his company into the ground he imported a few Fiats under the Pininfarina and Bertone names (now you know how the Bertone X1/9 came about, if you didn't know beforehand).
After that came Yugo. Good ol' Yugo. Great success that one was.
< insert joke about Yugos having rear defrosters >
Over the last few years he's tried reintroducing Yugos and introducing various Chinese cars to the US market. Thankfully none of his recent schemes have gotten off the ground.
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But you also have to realise that his idea was exactly the same scheme as DeLorean's, except in Canada and not Great Britain/Ireland. The only reason people seem to forget about DeLorean's crazy crap is because of the fact that his car was famous, as was he. Motor Trend said in there 50th Anniversery issue that the SV-1 wasn't actually that bad of a car, probably better than the DeLorean, but it was just that no one had ever heard of it, the company, or the person. Of course, the Yugo was a piece of crap, but that's not my focus. He never actually built those.Firebird
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Most people are well aware of the fact that the DeLorean DMC-12 was not a particularly reliable piece of machinery, and that John DeLorean dubiously ran his company into the ground as well, but a lot of solid engineering went into the car. The SV-1 was far and away worse than the DMC-12 in every way (except off-the-line acceleration and drivetrain reliability: the only things the Bricklin could do better than the DeLorean).
I fail to understand how Malcolm Bricklin had nothing to do with the design of Yugo and subsequently it's not his fault the cars were crap, yet he's been characterized as a great entrepreneur because he sold a few (equally craptacular) Subaru 360s.
I fail to understand how Malcolm Bricklin had nothing to do with the design of Yugo and subsequently it's not his fault the cars were crap, yet he's been characterized as a great entrepreneur because he sold a few (equally craptacular) Subaru 360s.
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What's the weight of this JiangLiang/Chery ?
Is it lighter than it's comparator the Rodeo/Passport ?
If the mainstream of this fledgling Chinese Superindustry are taking market Templates and Stripping them of superfluous engineering raw materials than this is either an example of a maniacal macroeconomic bullishness or a fledgling sino suv hillclimb fad
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