circuit experiences are broken...

[umbongo]

these circuit experiences are nearly impossible for me, and must be for the average person. (i know i sound pompous, but on project cars i was undefeated and on forza 6 i was 5.10 on nordschleife, that was 38th in the world, i know what im doing...) many of these would be difficult with a wheel. let alone a controller which is what i use. they need to be patched so that silver times are gold.. modifying sensitive, to 10 just isn't enough compared to what the demonstration car can do, and brake balance doesn't actually do anything for brake steering.... they are forcing you to play them with a detuned car. no matter how i take a turn or brake, the demonstration ghost will just pull away from me. so it definitely has more hp, and can out brake and out turn me. i can hit their braking point, their speed and i understeer every time. i've driven the nordschleife in games for over a decade. i have the track so well memorized in every game ive played with it. i love the track so much, i'll drive it with my eyes close before sleep. . however, coming to gt7, to do the circuit experience is utterly implausible... the car is simply detuned to make the game unnecessarily difficult so you can't get points. they are pretending every professional driver is on this level of edge, where one simple issue is a huge explosion of a mistake. and thats simply not true... if cars were actually like these in real life. every driver would crash out of the race. you brake a foot late in this game and the inertia just sends you off track. thats not how cars work. the same forces are exerted everywhere on track, the same friction, but you can test it, to show that the game isn't actually about driving a car. its a punishment system for not following that invisible line that pretends it god of all racing and people in the game. its almost as if, they have never heard of early and late apexes and what they are there for.

Totally agree im struggling with tracks I know to get gold , I use a wheel, i also hate the grind for money , I never bought all the cars gt sport,

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Well, it's not supposed to be easy. It's supposed to pose a challenge for most people.

And, for what is worth, I'm average and still managed gold in everything (somethings took me a lot of time).

 

[morfei1]

100% golds on all of the circuit experience with a G29. I'm relatively slow driver.

it was not easy but it was challenging and still is, when they release new track.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

Just had a quick go lol what a waste of time I nailed it and thought Oh here we go crossed the line 1:12.302 Ok so did it again 1:10.212 Ok did it again and got a wonderful run 1:11.574? it just doesn't make sense!
So I had another go and thought I went a little bit slow in a corner and crossed the line 1:10.385 ok did it again and carried 6mph quicker through bend and did the rest flawlessly 1:11.794 enough I really believe the clock has something wrong with it!
Felt something I never felt before I had controller in hand and I felt like bouncing it off the wall but didn't so Game deleted Disc in box. Give it the grandson as I think my time is over on consoles.
Everything progresses but age makes me regress so games are harder and I am getting slower all leads to hanging up the controller.
It's been fun. Over and out, leave it to the young uns.
Cheers folks.

Don't give up, don't give in ( no retreat, no surrender ) ...

I'm 62 years old, I'm on a DS4, no assists but ABS, and I'm right back from BMB Infield A with one more proof that it's doable.
I read your posts couple days ago and I knew I'd tackle that CE again soon ... so I decided to at least give a short report here.

It's been fun. Infield A is not a complex track but it's demanding as you're doing most of the turns at very high speed. It's sort
of make or break often. You need to absolutely nail turns 2,3,4 and the penultimate one leading back onto the oval ( I've even
been shortcutting this unintentionally ), you need good throttle control through both of the tight 180° turns ( I call it the S section ).

I'm not able to permanently run laps at my personal limit and small mistakes cost a lot of time here. Maybe that's why you
encounter these big differences too from one attempt to another. I'm perfectly ok with it though because imo these CE challenges,
they're not meant to build consistency but to find limits.

After about 100 miles I felt I got close to my max, still a good bit away from my previous FL, but anyway ... that's what it was :

 

[justin credible]

Don't give up, don't give in ( no retreat, no surrender ) ...

I'm 62 years old, I'm on a DS4, no assists but ABS, and I'm right back from BMB Infield A with one more proof that it's doable.
I read your posts couple days ago and I knew I'd tackle that CE again soon ... so I decided to at least give a short report here.

It's been fun. Infield A is not a complex track but it's demanding as you're doing most of the turns at very high speed. It's sort
of make or break often. You need to absolutely nail turns 2,3,4 and the penultimate one leading back onto the oval ( I've even
been shortcutting this unintentionally ), you need good throttle control through both of the tight 180° turns ( I call it the S section ).

I'm not able to permanently run laps at my personal limit and small mistakes cost a lot of time here. Maybe that's why you
encounter these big differences too from one attempt to another. I'm perfectly ok with it though because imo these CE challenges,
they're not meant to build consistency but to find limits.

After about 100 miles I felt I got close to my max, still a good bit away from my previous FL, but anyway ... that's what it was :

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Appreciate your help but I did give up and handed it all to my grandson(he was over the moon) maybe I will get more than socks come this christmas lol, He called today Grandad can you help me on a game? Yes which game? GT Sport so we have been nailing the Circuit Experiences but we got stuck again on Suzuka Circuit the first section with the NSX gr3 which has ice skates I think not tyres lol If you bought a car and it handled like that does you would take it back the shop and say It's broken I don't want it. I managed a 38.879 but gold is 38.700 so close but we can't get near that again lol. Drove me nuts I was so glad when his mum come pick him up lol Now I have a headache and I am not home for the next few days (hoping he moves on from it and leaves me alone lol as I really can't be bothered but we do as it's our grandkids. VR Quest 2 is the way to go ten pin bowling lots of fun. Enjoy bud cheers.

 

[joeyv]

I think the game leads to ENORMOUS frustrations while being such a cool game. Without discussion the CEs are impossible but not for everybody. That is how to look at it . I am 47 and thus I cannot react that fast anymore. And that is where the game fails big time. They should offer an option to lower the difficulty so EVERYBODY can enjoy the game to the fullest. There are people who simply cannot get gold in certain races or CEs no matter how hard and how long they try. So saying your rubbish is a very low reaction because it is offending for people who are playing for years and tried the same track for 500000000 times and can't succeed so that is proof that the CEs are set at a RUDICULOUSLY hard level. That leads thus to frustration which is the opposite of what a good balanced game should be. They should offer an option to choose the level of difficulty in the CEs

 

[Lomic]

I think the game leads to ENORMOUS frustrations while being such a cool game. Without discussion the CEs are impossible but not for everybody. That is how to look at it . I am 47 and thus I cannot react that fast anymore. And that is where the game fails big time. They should offer an option to lower the difficulty so EVERYBODY can enjoy the game to the fullest. There are people who simply cannot get gold in certain races or CEs no matter how hard and how long they try. So saying your rubbish is a very low reaction because it is offending for people who are playing for years and tried the same track for 500000000 times and can't succeed so that is proof that the CEs are set at a RUDICULOUSLY hard level. That leads thus to frustration which is the opposite of what a good balanced game should be. They should offer an option to choose the level of difficulty in the CEs

I don't get this type of posts... you have bronze, silver and gold, so there are various levels of difficulty.

I'd agree that silver should have its rewards too.

The player choose the level of difficulty he wants by setting himself the goal he wants to reach. If it is gold, it will be hard for most people and not possible for some.

And your age (47) is not a valid excuse, there are many much older players, that can gold all CEs. The difference is somewhere else (training, consistency, years of play and so on).

My friend @Pesselles is 50++something (I won't disclose all, he leaves too close to me 🤣 ) is golding most CEs, and even setting very good times above gold, I on the other hand have golded like 20% of CEs. But the main difference between us, is the time and effort he puts in those CEs (and licences).

Some want another level after gold, like platinum or diamond, but I bet there will be people to moan because they can't reach those levels and will ask to lower game difficulty.

 

[watto79]

I think the game leads to ENORMOUS frustrations while being such a cool game. Without discussion the CEs are impossible but not for everybody. That is how to look at it . I am 47 and thus I cannot react that fast anymore. And that is where the game fails big time. They should offer an option to lower the difficulty so EVERYBODY can enjoy the game to the fullest. There are people who simply cannot get gold in certain races or CEs no matter how hard and how long they try. So saying your rubbish is a very low reaction because it is offending for people who are playing for years and tried the same track for 500000000 times and can't succeed so that is proof that the CEs are set at a RUDICULOUSLY hard level. That leads thus to frustration which is the opposite of what a good balanced game should be. They should offer an option to choose the level of difficulty in the CEs

Or....and hear me out..... you could post a video of your lap and get some pointers as to where you're going wrong. That way you could improve and be better at the game rather than keep making the same mistakes 500000000 times.

Your age isn't what's holding you back by the way.

 

[Famine]

I'm four months older and I got all CE golds despite being meh.

 

[Lomic]

I'm four months older and I got all CE golds despite being meh.

You're much less "meh" than many players.

 

[Famine]

You're much less "meh" than many players.

According to ChatGPT (which I believe is French for "cat, I have farted") I'm a "sweaty tryhard"...

 

[Lomic]

According to ChatGPT (which I believe is French for "cat, I have farted") I'm a "sweaty tryhard"...

Most players are at best, "monkey with a controller".

 

[bluealpine]

The typical player, dixit fart AI

 

[GTRedman]

Fellow sweaty tryhard here, It took me 2 years on and off to finally gold Nurburgring on controller. I find that some tracks/sectors are easier on controller while others it's easier on a wheel, for sector 10 at Nurburgring I couldn't gold after 50 tries so I switched to my wheel (T300) and got it after a few tries, so I am really all over the place and now that I have moved to VR I've de-evolved to monkey with a controller

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I am new to GT7. Probably my 6 week with the game. I started to unlock different modules in the game, circuit experiences among others. I started with Monza which has a very special place in my heart and eventually got to Gold. It is very hard! But I made it and I am also using a controller. This community helped me a lot with tips and suggestions. Do not give up! The game is awesome! And when you do get Gold, you will be very satisfied:-)

 

[TheCracker]

I think the trouble with the CE's, especially circuits - or varients of circuits that are underused in the wider game, is the way the Circuit Experience progression is set out.

Take a circuit that's been split into 5 sections. You might take 5 attempts to Gold the first one, 23 for the 'tricky' 2nd one, 11 for the next, then really struggle on some aspect of the 4th one and it takes you 37 attempts before you squeeze under that gold time. The 5th section do with just 3 attempts and you're chomping at the bit to do the full lap and get that sweet sweet reward. After all, its been an hour or so since you started and you want to get on with your life.

Trouble is, those early sections and the little adjustments to the lines you took and the braking point markers you were targeting, are no longer fresh in your memory. You get towards the end of your full lap. You feel like you've totally nailed it. You cross the line 2.9 seconds off the gold time and get a bronze. What the hell?

Not only are those early sections now a distant, fading memory. But the transitions between those sections now on the full map are taken at different speeds and also different positions on the track. There's no flow.

Perhaps the Circuit Experience sections should build up, not just be taken sequentially. You do section 1. Then you do section 1 & 2. Then you do a sequence that contains sections 1, 2 & 3 in one go. etc etc. You build the lap, not just attempt random segments of it then be expected to string it all together at the end.

 

[KAlex122]

Trouble is, those early sections and the little adjustments to the lines you took and the braking point markers you were targeting, are no longer fresh in your memory. You get towards the end of your full lap. You feel like you've totally nailed it. You cross the line 2.9 seconds off the gold time and get a bronze. What the hell?

I find that with experience this is not an issue.

I had that trouble when the game and many courses where new to me.

But over time you get better at memorizing the flow and the important bits.

When i do a CE nowadays i struggle with some sectors but mostly get gold on the full lap on first try, even with some margin.

edit: experienced drivers also learn new tracks pretty fast in real live

 

[joeyv]

I don't get this type of posts... you have bronze, silver and gold, so there are various levels of difficulty.

I'd agree that silver should have its rewards too.

The player choose the level of difficulty he wants by setting himself the goal he wants to reach. If it is gold, it will be hard for most people and not possible for some.

And your age (47) is not a valid excuse, there are many much older players, that can gold all CEs. The difference is somewhere else (training, consistency, years of play and so on).

My friend @Pesselles is 50++something (I won't disclose all, he leaves too close to me 🤣 ) is golding most CEs, and even setting very good times above gold, I on the other hand have golded like 20% of CEs. But the main difference between us, is the time and effort he puts in those CEs (and licences).

Some want another level after gold, like platinum or diamond, but I bet there will be people to moan because they can't reach those levels and will ask to lower game difficulty.

If you read what I wanted to say than you wouldn't post this reaction. What I wanted to say is, it should be much better to give an option to get gold in everything in a more enjoyable way AND an option for people who want it to be more chalenging. For me and for lots of people for example there is NO WAY to enjoy the game to the fullest which is a shame. It lies simply beyound my capabillities. Maybe your friend who is 50 can manage but hell there even are a few MMA fighters who are 50. But needles to say that most people cannot compete anymore. Every game should at least have a chance of succeeding for everybody.

 

[Famine]

Every game should at least have a chance of succeeding for everybody.

You only need bronze to pass, and get some bonus rewards. Gold is simply a higher difficulty level, with higher rewards.

 

[newmedia_dev]

If you read what I wanted to say than you wouldn't post this reaction. What I wanted to say is, it should be much better to give an option to get gold in everything in a more enjoyable way AND an option for people who want it to be more chalenging. For me and for lots of people for example there is NO WAY to enjoy the game to the fullest which is a shame. It lies simply beyound my capabillities. Maybe your friend who is 50 can manage but hell there even are a few MMA fighters who are 50. But needles to say that most people cannot compete anymore. Every game should at least have a chance of succeeding for everybody.

It all depends on your definition of succeeding....if that means getting a medal which is a sign you beat the benchmark then Bronze is success for many people.

If your definition is beating top percentile then of course this is going to be challenging.

I'm not sure it makes any rational sense to have "hard gold" and "easy gold" surely that's what bronze is....

Changing the difficulty is kind of a fallacy and undermines the point of time targets in the first place

 

[Lomic]

If you read what I wanted to say than you wouldn't post this reaction.

Well ok. Have fun then.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

An olympic gold medalist has performed better than the olympic silver and bronze medalists. And that's how GT should work, too. IMO. If you can perform on a certain level you deserve gold, if not ... then not. Simple as that.
And if you can not enjoy a game ( for whatever reason btw ) this game maybe isn't for you.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I completely do not understand what are you trying to day. Lets take Monza. If I remember correctly, you need 1.37.5 to get Gold. If took me mamy attempts to do it. Super hard, but ai was happy I did. On a Controller.

What are you trying to say? If you cannot do 1.37.5 to get Gold ot should be 1.39.0 so that you could enjoy it? Or I did not understand you properly? What are you proposing?

If you read what I wanted to say than you wouldn't post this reaction. What I wanted to say is, it should be much better to give an option to get gold in everything in a more enjoyable way AND an option for people who want it to be more chalenging. For me and for lots of people for example there is NO WAY to enjoy the game to the fullest which is a shame. It lies simply beyound my capabillities. Maybe your friend who is 50 can manage but hell there even are a few MMA fighters who are 50. But needles to say that most people cannot compete anymore. Every game should at least have a chance of succeeding for everybody.

 

[TheCracker]

You only need bronze to pass, and get some bonus rewards. Gold is simply a higher difficulty level, with higher rewards.

I might be incorrect in saying this, but the rewards for Bronzing and those for Golding are only credit rewards of differing amounts. It's not like some of the other challenges (licences?) where the rewards are often rare cars. You are not unlocking anything unobtainable by golding those CE's that you can't get from an hour's worth of grinding at your favoured grinding event.

 

[bluealpine]

Beating Circuit Experience is optionnal in the game. The content (cars and tracks) is not blocked behind these events. You only gain more credits and personnal satisfaction when golding them.
It's hard, and then?

 

[Famine]

I might be incorrect in saying this, but the rewards for Bronzing and those for Golding are only credit rewards of differing amounts. It's not like some of the other challenges (licences?) where the rewards are often rare cars. You are not unlocking anything unobtainable by golding those CE's that you can't get from an hour's worth of grinding at your favoured grinding event.

That's correct. The rare cars from licences are also just a grind away too, unlike previous GT games where they were an otherwise unique reward.

 

[TheCracker]

I find that with experience this is not an issue.

I had that trouble when the game and many courses where new to me.

But over time you get better at memorizing the flow and the important bits.

Sure. I've attempted very few CE's at this early stage of my play through of GT7 - i only downloaded it late December. Most of those are circuits i've just recently spent a lot of time and done a lot of laps of trying to complete races/championships, so the familiarity with the circuit is fresh in my mind.

But surely the whole point in having Circuit Experiences in the first place is to familiarise yourself with circuits you are going to be coming across whist competing in the various races and championships which are the meat of the game?

They are designed, by name, to give the player an 'experience' of a unfamiliar circuit. If they require a player to be overly familiar in the first place with a certain circuit, then that's surely missing the point of the exercise?

 

[newmedia_dev]

They are designed, by name, to give the player an 'experience' of an unfamiliar circuit. If they require a player to be overly familiar in the first place with a certain circuit, then that's surely missing the point of the exercise?

I think they are intended to do both things.

For new players or those not familiar with a given track they are the ability to learn it and improve each sector at a time rather than just doing full time trial laps you learn specific corners and sectors in more memorable bite sized chunks.

For players more familiar with a circuit and car class combo it's the ability to work on out right pace or a given corner/corner sequence with the ability to not have to drive the whole lap. This is especially helpful when you want to practice the last sector of tracks and saves a lot of time.

A lot of people restart at their first mistake in QT or TT or even races. The problem then is you end up with less knowledge of the last part of the lap. But the CEs help you learn that part just as well.

Edit to add: There is a tertiary benefit to them as well as more knowledge of a circuit or corner etc promotes better driving and car control and for racing (especially sports mode) helps with understand where is a good place to pass, what lines you can take and what is coming up etc

 

[watto79]

If you read what I wanted to say than you wouldn't post this reaction. What I wanted to say is, it should be much better to give an option to get gold in everything in a more enjoyable way AND an option for people who want it to be more chalenging. For me and for lots of people for example there is NO WAY to enjoy the game to the fullest which is a shame. It lies simply beyound my capabillities. Maybe your friend who is 50 can manage but hell there even are a few MMA fighters who are 50. But needles to say that most people cannot compete anymore. Every game should at least have a chance of succeeding for everybody.

Have you considered reading what I posted, uploading your best lap and getting some help to achieve the gold times? If you're able to attempt them 500000000 times, you've got the time to learn where you're going wrong and getting the gold time (with some help).

The developers aren't going to make "optional easier gold times" so the choice is yours.

 

[330_D]

If you read what I wanted to say than you wouldn't post this reaction. What I wanted to say is, it should be much better to give an option to get gold in everything in a more enjoyable way AND an option for people who want it to be more chalenging. For me and for lots of people for example there is NO WAY to enjoy the game to the fullest which is a shame. It lies simply beyound my capabillities. Maybe your friend who is 50 can manage but hell there even are a few MMA fighters who are 50. But needles to say that most people cannot compete anymore. Every game should at least have a chance of succeeding for everybody.

I'm 46. Been playing GT games since the first was released. I used to think I was pretty good at the game... Fast forward nearly 30 years and I find this place because I had a renewed interest (and a little more available time in my life because the kids are older and need less of me). I had no idea that people played this game at the level they do.

I started honing my skill and eventually felt like I hit a really solid wall of limited talent. Bought a wheel. Went backwards. For a month I regretted spending so much money for this experience... Then the practice started paying off. I learned some things by listening to people here who are really really fast and willing to share tips and advice. Every license, every circuit experience, and most every time trial I have gotten gold since I started to put in the work.

No, it's not an easy game. No, there should not be "levels of difficulty" for a gold time. It's a standard. Figure out how to meet the standard.

It's been said it takes 10000 hours to be a master of a thing. I've got 1500 into GT7 and while I am not a master, I am progressing.

I suggest if you'd like to get better that you might want to work harder.