Classic American Muscle Championship - The Dawn of Season 2 In Session

[Eric Demory]

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Rules

1) This racing league is open to all who can commit to a full season.

2) You may purchase or win as a prize any car on the following list for an entry. You may make a team with only two or three members. A team may also hire a team engineer and inform Crooooooow about it. A team must also pick a team leader to ask about being on pace with the leaders of the field. A member of a team may choose a race number separate from their teammates'.

CAR LIST UPDATED!
Classic American Muscle Competition - Car List
Chevrolet Camaro SS 1969
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 1969
Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 1970
Dodge Charger 440 R/T 1970
Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 Hemi 1971
Mercury Cougar XR-7 1967
Plymouth Cuda 440 Six Pack 1971
Plymouth Super Bird 1970
Pontiac Tempest Le Mans GTO 1964
Shelby Mustang G.T. 350R 1965

3) Washing and oiling your car may be done freely.

Legal Upgrades:

• Exhausts
• Engine: NA Tuning, Port Polish, Engine Balancing, Displacements, Racing chips
• Turbo: Turbine Kits, Intercooler, Supercharger
• Any Tires
• Other: Weight Reductions, Rigidity Increasement, Refresh Plan
• Drivetrain: Transmission (Full Customize), Clutches, Flywheels, Limited-Slip (Full Customize), AYC Controller, Carbon Driveshaft
• Suspension (Full Customize)
• Brakes: Brakes, Brake Controller

Illegal Upgrades:

• Nitrous
• Spoilers

4) There will be only totaling of points for each race with the highest being the winner at the end of the season, figured solely as individuals or teams depending on the entries.

5) The season lasts 30 days, each driver and team has that amount of time to submit their times for each event. A driver or team can do the tracks as fast or as slow as they want and manage their time, but 30 days is all you get. Results will be posted for a race as soon as all entries are in for it. When the 30 days pass, no further entries will be accepted and results will be posted at a minimum of one track or event a day until it is all complete.

6) All driving aids are at a driver or teams discretion.

7) To drive a course a driver will use the events/tracks listed in the Event Schedule. At least one lap must be within A-Spec mode during a race, B-Spec mode is at a driver or teams discretion for the rest of it.

8) Times used will be a combined lap time that shows when you return to the main screen for that track, after a race, with a combined time for all the racers that finished.

9) That combined time is what a driver will send in a private message to Crooooooow and it will be compared to the other drivers and teams for each track. *For Teams: To make it fair to the single racers, you will have to have either member do one part of the racing events, and you complete the other racing events. Or, both of the team members complete all of the races, and choose who has the better time than the other team member.

10) All time submissions will be by Private Message to Crooooooow

11) Points will be awarded at the following rates (Points system will change depending on the number of competitors):

*example*
Position    Points
1st           10
2nd            7
3rd            5
4th            4
5th            3
6th            2
7th            1
8th            0
9th            0

12) A winner's circle will be held for the top three positions at the end of the season.

13) If a driver or team that isn't able to post their times for a given track, receives a DNF for each track that is missed.

14) A solo driver or the head of a team may ask by PM if they are on pace or not with the leaders. I will reply with one of three responses, Yes, No, or Not Enough Data. This way you are not completely competing against an unknown target.

Pace
Yes - (+/- 1.5 seconds)
No - (Behind more then 1.5 seconds)
Not Enough Data - (No entries yet)

15) A race event should be driven in the spirit of a race keeping two wheels on the track at all times and minimizing collisions with the AI cars. Especially to preserve your car for the season.

Info Center
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Events Schedule

Warm-Up
Power & Speed

Tracks

1. Test Course 0-400m
2. Test Course 0-1000m
3. Test Course Max Speed

Professional Events Hall / Clubman Cup

Tracks

1. Apricot Hill Raceway 
2. Twin Ring Motegi - East Short Course 
3. Seoul Central (Reverse) 
4. Deep Forest Raceway

Family Cup / AI +5

Tracks

1. Autumn Ring
2. Opera Paris
3. Infineon Raceway (Stock)
4. Suzuka Circuit West Course
5. Circuit de la Sarthe II (no chicanes)

Special Condition Events
(When Sending Your Results, List Both Times For Forward & Reverse Track For Average Race Time)​

Tracks

1. Rally d’ Umbria (EASY)
2. Rally d’ Capri (NORMAL)
3. George Paris (HARD)

Family Cup / AI +10 (Optional, double points)​

Bonus Track

1. Beginner Course

"Recent CAM News"

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[LEFT]Season Racing Roster

Chevrolet Camaro SS 1969                                   Racing No.     Driver         Points
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Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 1969                              Racing No.     Driver         Points
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Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 1970                             Racing No.     Driver         Points
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Dodge Charger 440 R/T 1970                                 Racing No.     Driver         Points
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Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 Hemi 1971                      Racing No.     Driver         Points
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                                                               88         thc118                                                         

Mercury Cougar XR-7 1967                                   Racing No.     Driver         Points
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Plymouth Cuda 440 Six Pack 1971                            Racing No.     Driver         Points
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Plymouth Super Bird 1970                                   Racing No.     Driver         Points
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Pontiac Tempest Le Mans GTO 1964                           Racing No.     Driver         Points
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                                                               14         Adamgp

Shelby Mustang G.T. 350R 1965                              Racing No.     Driver         Points
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                                                               06        Car-less
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Season 1
Beginning
Ending

Season 2
Beginning

 

[Eric Demory]

The first season will begin December 1st, and end January 14 at 20:00 GMT. Extended time because of the holidays, in case any of our competitors will be traveling.

 

[Smallhorses]

Hmmm. Your car rankings appear just to be alphabetical order.
It's widely known that the Shelby Cobra and Corvettes will crush the usual muscle-car fare, what are you basing your rankings on?

 

[Eric Demory]

Hmmm. Your car rankings appear just to be alphabetical order.
It's widely known that the Shelby Cobra and Corvettes will crush the usual muscle-car fare, what are you basing your rankings on?

Thank you for noticing that error. Since I included this little note...

(Please note that all these cars do not have the same, nor close amount of horsepower. Since the car with the maximum horsepower on the list is the Shelby Cobra with 485hp. So, you may tune your car up to 500hp with any upgrade of your choice. The specified horsepower should be in the range from 420 to 500hp. Mufflers, engine, and turbo are the only legal upgrades, as well as tires.

... I do not need to include the Car Rankings part in the Competition details, afterwards.

 

[Bopop4]

So we could use any tire that we wanted to use?

 

[Eric Demory]

So we could use any tire that we wanted to use?

Which ever set you most desire.

 

[amkobih]

i think that you need to edit the rules;
In 2nd one you say we can tune our cars to 500 hp,and in 3rd you say engine modifications are not allowed.
Also,are we allowed to remove weight from our cars?

 

[oldmodelt]

Disclaimer: These comments are based on my limited knowledge of the Pwr to Wt ratios issue.

I always wanted to do a race series with the Muscle cars but could never get around the fact that they differ in so many ways. Trying to do it in Arcade was beyond my expertise at the time. I learned a lot from the tuners in the Tuning Garage Challenges a couple of years ago.

I was excited when this thread popped up and proceeded to run some laps on Deep Forest to compare the cars. I used the Shelby Cobra, Cougar, Corvette Stingray and the GT500. It seems (with my driving style and ability) that the Cobra is the odd man out. It has an unfair advantage in the pwr to wt category. Some of my findings below based on the HP & car weight from my Prima GT4 Game Guide.

Cobra 427 - 5.02
Cougar XR-7 - 9.80
Corvette Stingray - 9.40
GT500 - 9.1

Assuming that the Cobra stays at its stock settings the best the cars could achieve with out trimming the weight is:

Cougar - 6.2
Stingray - 6.6
GT500 - 5.6

Some other car best scenarios using current wt and 500HP figures

Charger Super Bee 426 - 8.1
SuperBird - 7.7

I did run a car from adamgp's garage which got into the range of the Cobra. He allowed me to run his cars in a few series and I have always enjoyed his Muscle stuff. I left a lot of stuff off of the car to make it legal for the race. I think I got it to 494 HP. Mine didn't but this does have the Wt reduction 3 package. Here it is.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3010470&postcount=41 If you use something like this it's pwr to wt ratio is 4.85. Spot on with the Cobra.

Are we allowed to add stuff to readjust the gears. Otherwise Nurburgring and other tracks with some straights might be rev limited nightmares.

You have the daunting task of trying to present a series where the cars at least are equal to each other. Something I could not do.

 

[Eric Demory]

i think that you need to edit the rules;
In 2nd one you say we can tune our cars to 500 hp,and in 3rd you say engine modifications are not allowed.
Also,are we allowed to remove weight from our cars?

Thank you for noticing that mistake. You are not allowed to use weight reductions. Only mufflers, engine, and turbo packages are the only legal upgrades.

You have the daunting task of trying to present a series where the cars at least are equal to each other. Something I could not do.

That is why I enabled racers to upgrade their car's horsepower. The muscle cars in the game sounded good to be included in competition, but yes, the fact that all of the muscle cars do not have similar, nor close to the same amount of power.

 

[BH-21]

I'm in and going with a 'Dukes of Hazard' orange Dodge Charger 440 R/T 1970.

The rules look strangely familiar. Croww waves his hand in jedi fashion, "These aren't the rules your looking for. You can go about your buisness. Move along!"

 

[tricd04]

I'll take the good 'ol Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 Hemi 1971.

 

[Matej]

But what about gearbox ? Some of them will reach max speed in couple of seconds and balanced horsepower will than mean nothing. LSD might be problem on some cars too.
This challenge seems like fun but I need to check my school schedule first and then I'll decide whether to participate or not.

 

[Eric Demory]

I'm in and going with a 'Dukes of Hazard' orange Dodge Charger 440 R/T 1970.

Done.

The rules look strangely familiar.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

But what about gearbox? Some of them will reach max speed in couple of seconds and balanced horsepower will than mean nothing. LSD might be problem on some cars too.

I am not going to include the gearbox nor the LSD as a legal upgrade for this season. But for future seasons, I will make them legal.

This challenge seems like fun but I need to check my school schedule first and then I'll decide whether to participate or not.

Hope you can make it for the season.

 

[Cedar]

I'm in. Hook me up with the Mustang. 👍

 

[Eric Demory]

I'm in. Hook me up with the Mustang. 👍

Done.

I will need a race number from BH-21, tricd04, & Cedar.

 

[Cedar]

Done.

I will need a race number from BH-21, tricd04, & Cedar.

Oh, well let's see here... damn! You took my favorite number!

I suppose I'll take #01 then...

 

[Eric Demory]

I suppose I'll take #01 then...

You are now #01. But not in the rankings, so don't get cocky.

 

[Cedar]

You are now #01. But not in the rankings, so don't get cocky.

Of course not, I'm definitely going to lose the endurance races because I'm too lazy and cheap to race them myself and I've never learned about B-spec strategizing so I'm screwed for that...

 

[Eric Demory]

Of course not, I'm definitely going to lose the endurance races because I'm too lazy and cheap to race them myself and I've never learned about B-spec strategizing so I'm screwed for that...

I'm lazy too, but I just turn on some music to keep the gaming adrenaline going for the long races. Plus, try going into practice with the B-Spec mode to get a good glimpse of the directions and experience with it. If you are an experienced Gran Turismo racer, then you will achieve a better time than if you keep the endurance races set to B-Spec.

 

[Matej]

I am not going to include the gearbox nor the LSD as a legal upgrade for this season. But for future seasons, I will make them legal.

Ok, thanks for info

Schedule checked, I will have enough time to compete although 4 hours of Nur might be tricky for me but we'll see eventually... I'll pick Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 1970 with 70 as a number.
I'll need to buy a whole bunch of tires since some races requires sport tires while some doesn't have limit so we can use racing ones.

 

[BH-21]

Number 05 is for my car. It would of been 01, but alas that number is taken.

 

[Eric Demory]

Number 05 is for my car. It would of been 01, but alas that number is taken.

Done.

Keep in mind that you can choose a number between 1 and 99.

 

[Smallhorses]

Are we going to be able to tune the transmission?
If not I can't see the point in entering this.
Most muscle cars already have too much power for the stock 4-spd and max out at 115-125mph. Tuning them to 500HP to match the Shelby Cobra isn't going to achieve anything unless we're able to make use of the power.
I'm contemplating running a Plymouth or the Mercury, but I want to know if it'll be a complete waste of time?

 

[Cedar]

Are we going to be able to tune the transmission?
If not I can't see the point in entering this.
Most muscle cars already have too much power for the stock 4-spd and max out at 115-125mph. Tuning them to 500HP to match the Shelby Cobra isn't going to achieve anything unless we're able to make use of the power.
I'm contemplating running a Plymouth or the Mercury, but I want to know if it'll be a complete waste of time?

I agree with Smallhorses. I think I'm going to pull out actually, C. I don't want to have to tune the car because muscle cars sound great without the tuning, and just feel much better to me.

 

[Eric Demory]

Are we going to be able to tune the transmission?
If not I can't see the point in entering this.
Most muscle cars already have too much power for the stock 4-spd and max out at 115-125mph. Tuning them to 500HP to match the Shelby Cobra isn't going to achieve anything unless we're able to make use of the power.
I'm contemplating running a Plymouth or the Mercury, but I want to know if it'll be a complete waste of time?

I agree with Smallhorses. I think I'm going to pull out actually, C. I don't want to have to tune the car because muscle cars sound great without the tuning, and just feel much better to me.

If it will make you two stop whining, I guess so.

 

[tricd04]

I'll take the number 23 for my car... That silly movie almost forces me to take it!

 

[Eric Demory]

I'll take the number 23 for my car... That silly movie almost forces me to take it!

You are now #23.

 

[viperin]

oldmodelt & I would like to enter a Team in the 1969 Corvette Stingray
( because it looks so good, just like us ).

Racing number 69 ( obviously )

 

[Eric Demory]

oldmodelt & I would like to enter a Team in the 1969 Corvette Stingray
( because it looks so good, just like us ).

Racing number 69 ( obviously )

Sorry, I already claimed that beauty. She's mine, so choose another car.

 

[Adamgp]

I did run a car from adamgp's garage which got into the range of the Cobra. He allowed me to run his cars in a few series and I have always enjoyed his Muscle stuff. I left a lot of stuff off of the car to make it legal for the race. I think I got it to 494 HP. Mine didn't but this does have the Wt reduction 3 package. Here it is.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3010470&postcount=41 If you use something like this it's pwr to wt ratio is 4.85. Spot on with the Cobra.

Thanks, glad you liked the Cougar. 👍 It was/is one of my favorites.

I'm tempted to join this competition.

I'll take the '64 GTO if it's not already taken.