Clutch cheaters

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i know this is a bit off topic, but someone mentioned about them "Selling" a MOD? If so if it's cheap i would look into it, i'm sick and tired of the Retarded NEUTRAL lock for drifting. If they found a way around it, i'm all ears :)đź‘Ť

As for using it as an advantage to compete against other people in time attack, then no respect for them. I don't know why anyone would want to be at the top of the list if they didn't earn it fairly. Maybe they weren't hugged enough as a child or their parents never told them they're special...:dopey:
 
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i know this is a bit off topic, but someone mentioned about them "Selling" a MOD? If so if it's cheap i would look into it, i'm sick and tired of the Retarded NEUTRAL lock for drifting. If they found a way around it, i'm all ears :)đź‘Ť

As for using it as an advantage to compete against other people in time attack, then no respect for them. I don't know why anyone would want to be at the top of the list if they didn't earn it fairly. Maybe they weren't hugged enough as a child or their parents never told them they're special...:dopey:
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:lol::lol::lol: OMG TOO FUNNY!!!!
 
I wonder if it's just a 'programmable controller' trick. wasn't there a way to kick the clutch on a controller? (I'm a g25 user so I really haven't looked into it)
maybe they're using a programmable controller to give their shift buttons a bit more 'zazz'

of course I'm stuck at work and haven't had a chance to even look at the replays yet.
 
Just in to point out for the people that aren't familiar...

MAY (MeAgainstYou) is a record holder on so many events its not even funny, definitely one of the fastest around our GT5p universe. I haven't saw the replays yet, but being as this was brought up by someone like MAY, I would bet it is correct and something is fishy.

Don't be so quick to think people don't know what they are talking about... we are all aware of what can be done with a G25, and we all know BS when we see it... especially someone as experienced as MAY.
 
Sorry to bash into the party, but it seems like this whole issue have something to do with the already known "pause thingie"..

I'm not really sure how it works since I didn't ever care about time-trialing, but I've heard about it in way it can improve massive times in downshift (upshift?) procedure and that some guys are using it.

Basically, it has something to do with driving the time trial, than pausing before corner, switching from H-shift to paddles, un-pausing, downshifting, entering the corner, pausing, changing back to H-shifting and than accelerating.

Or it's other way around, I don't care.

Basically, either downshift or upshift can be faster that way and actual pausing doesn't compromise the final outcome.

Even it is cheating of some kind, and if it is really true - I really bow down to those guys just because they're able to do such massive pause/switch/pause/switch procedures during the whole time-trial and still make the record time.

It doesn't matter, but it could be the answer you were looking for.

Cheerz.
 
it isnt the answer amar... i know what you're talking about.. what you said can only be applied on down shift, and its not necessary to pause the game... its only necessary to press triangle to deactivate the clutch.. make the corner.. and then press again triangle to put the clutch on..

but thats not what is happening here its even worst.. i'll say once more.. to spot the differences on clutch using you must watch WGP_Mclarensucks(clean) and I_I-UfuK-l_l(dirty) at the timetrial F430/suzy look at the accelerator bar and for the shifting numbers.. you cant see the "N" on the I_I-UfuK-l_l replay ... there's no loss changing gears
 
Maybe it would be the best if someone records the lap a paddelshift and normal clutchshift lap an put the video on youtube.
Many of those who posted something here didn´t watch the F430 replay and don´t know what you´re talking about :ouch:
It´s definatly not normal what this guy does.
Maybe its something like putting shift and clutch peddal on the same button so the shifting time is like zero.
 
Yeah I know what you're saying MAY.

I notice you've got the clutch to a fine art and its almost a flat shift in other cars, very quick transition, but then someone comes up with a way to flat shift better than humanly possible without any need for skill or putting time in to learn.

What can be done? Have flat shift working again for TT's like in specI&II and mechanical damage for races? I'm sure drifters want flat-shifting back for the full game. I doubt PD will make the game recognize mods to the G25 or even have G25 only races in the options.

Thing is with the F430 and the removal of flatshifting, even standard G25 users won't gain with using clutch as the Auto is fast and easy and only a flatshift like in the older version would gain.

Try http://uk.playstation.com/help-support/grief-reporting/

I'm not bothered myself, I understand your frustration but there's always modders and hackers in all games, not to mention the network hackers who can relay and bypass game restrictions.

We're not talking about toggling the clutch on & off during a lap which can actually be done by mapping reverse on the wheel button and no need to pause, thats for people who find it hard to down shift manually or maybe gain slightly in downshifting but you can see this easily.
 
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Two solutions for this problem:
- introduce a minimum shifting time (determined seperately for each car)
- change the control settings in such a way that clutch can never be assigned to a second function

Both these solutions could be introduced as patches. In the meanwhile, there's nothing we can do, except contact PD about it.
 
ok, i have now watched several replays from those Lebanese guys.

If you pay attention to the throttle input while braking into a turn and downshifting , you will see that there is always 1cm of throttle applied no matter what.

Then i have watched a replay of FUJI GT with the F430 and there the exact same.

BUT what else i have noticed was at last turn before start finish straight.

When he shifted from 3rd to 4th there was a blink of a second red throttle and then the last shift from 5th to 6th , it seemed that he has shifted "normally" with full red throttle

I am just experimenting with the F430 and i think i have somehow figured something out. Not 100% sure but i have something, will post back in a bit

Chris
 
now i'm really curious. I don't have a G25. Following this thread since it's birth though. This is getting very interesting.
 
sorry it took so long. just came home now.

Results!! First of all, i can only say one thing first up, he has modded his wheel/gearbox/controller. I'm 100% sure about that because...

If you watch the replay carefully you can tell, (like already earlier mentioned by me) that while braking and downshifting there is always this minimum of throttle input.

If you take any car of your choice (must be clutch compatible) and turn on the clutch, try this.
Drive your car one lap only with Minimum throttle input and shift through the gears, it works flawless without and speed / time loss.

Now, i dont know exactly how they managed to shift that fast, but the little throttle input has something to do with that.
also, if your timing is right, i managed to apply even more throttle and shift without putting my foot of the gas paddle.

Another why of shortening the game clutch is to pause the game and really in the exact moment hit (while your in pause) hit the next gear and gas paddle. in the replay you will see a faster gear change then normally. (but not as fast as those fonsis

Another thing: I actually start to get the feeling that they may have modded the game itself.
Again, I HAVE NOT found the real deal here, but i found something small at least.

Maybe more tomorrow. Ill keep working

Chris
 
Christhedude
If you watch the replay carefully you can tell, (like already earlier mentioned by me) that while braking and downshifting there is always this minimum of throttle input.

If you take any car of your choice (must be clutch compatible) and turn on the clutch, try this.
Drive your car one lap only with Minimum throttle input and shift through the gears, it works flawless without and speed / time loss.

Now, i dont know exactly how they managed to shift that fast, but the little throttle input has something to do with that.
also, if your timing is right, i managed to apply even more throttle and shift without putting my foot of the gas paddle.
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Isn't this possible by putting a stopper (or spring or string or ?) on the physical throttle pedal to keep it from zeroing?

That is technically a 'modification', and much easier than your supposition of possible game code changes.
 
clacksman
Isn't this possible by putting a stopper (or spring or string or ?) on the physical throttle pedal to keep it from zeroing?

That is technically a 'modification', and much easier than your supposition of possible game code changes.
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YOU HAVE WON THE JACKPOT

That is exactly how they have done it. Go to the rankings and watch the replay of Fuji GT with the HONDA NSX.

PAY ATTENTION ON THE FIRST TURN DOWNSHIFTING THROTTLE INPUT

The throttle is kinda like "vibrating" on the minimum input.

Another thing that i have noticed is that from 3rd to 4th is always flawless no clutch shifting but from 4th to 5th there is always a tiny bit of red (clutch) input = that may tells us that he is using H shifting not paddle.

Now im actually going to say that he definitely has modded his G25 pedals!

EDIT:// have a look at Mines GTR 34 @ Fuji GT

Approaching Turn 4 (left hander after the long right hander) he is coasting for a short while in Neutral

Chris
 
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i really hope that people wont go to do this.. it will be a mess... and will ruin the healthy competition.. i cant believe they are taking our records with that BS :( its so easy for them to kick us... bastards

PD, here please!!! i'd rather dont have clutch than this type of 🤬
 
MeAgainstYou
i really hope that people wont go to do this.. it will be a mess... and will ruin the healthy competition.. i cant believe they are taking our records with that BS :( its so easy for them to kick us... bastards

PD, here please!!! i'd rather dont have clutch than this type of 🤬
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im completely on the same boat as you! it ruins the competition but i still have to give credits to the 2 lebanese figuring that cheat out.

anyways MAY, dont be surprised, we all knew how you beat me on RoC ;) hehe

Chris
 
GTP_rpm
Anyone using a G25 is cheating in my opinion anyway...

;)
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Christhedude
im completely on the same boat as you! it ruins the competition but i still have to give credits to the 2 lebanese figuring that cheat out.

anyways MAY, dont be surprised, we all knew how you beat me on RoC ;) hehe

Chris
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im surprised with your thinking.. we should give credit to that guys!? its a joke!? :lol:

your words sounds like... cheating is cool :ouch:
 
MeAgainstYou
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im surprised with your thinking.. we should give credit to that guys!? its a joke!? :lol:

your words sounds like... cheating is cool :ouch:
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hey may. i didnt mean applaud and give them an award, but it was oly a matter of time til this happened.
Plus May,you know me a bit,im a professional and real sports man, cheating is never cool!

*still believing May actually came up with the clutch cheat and thats how he beat me* :D
*sigh* :D

Chris
 
Christhedude
*still believing May actually came up with the clutch cheat and thats how he beat me* :D
*sigh* :D

Chris
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sure :lol:

yeah i know you well.. and im sure you're not on the cheating side đź‘Ť but why should we give credits to them for such act... still dont get it :drool:
 
MeAgainstYou
sure :lol:

yeah i know you well.. and im sure you're not on the cheating side đź‘Ť but why should we give credits to them for such act... still dont get it :drool:
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i dont wanna start getting here too off topic but depending on which way in the end they have made this cheat, then thats an achievment...a negative one.. but still an achievment.

Like saying if he somehow programmed with another software and connected his wheel to a pc and gave the pc programm certain commands , for example to over / rewrite the clutch ON - release of throttle- gear in - back on throttle command and then programmed it into his GT5P save data...then yes, thats a very time consuming job which also needs a big know how of computer programming = which then means he did a great technical job...but sporting wise he still is a cheater and his laps should be ereased.

im going to keep investigating this clutch phenomen until someone finds out.

@clacksman, your jackpot does include a brand new G25 but due to the concerns of other racers cause of the cheat, im not able to send it to you. IM SORRY :D

Chris
 
PD, here please!!! i'd rather dont have clutch than this type of 🤬[/QUOTE]

To me,clutch is the heart of this game compared to other GTs.Padles are fine with cars like F1.But road cars without ability to use clutch are 'arcadish'.Clutch and H-pattern is what makes this game feel real.Doesnt mather how fast(or slow)you are with clutch,and yes its ON/OFF,just like in real world.Or is someone using clutch differently in 100 mph?Are you step from it slowly when shifting,so that you can feel it bite?I dont,and I drive. :)
 
i've been talking with one of this guys.. and he said he had a different hardware .. he didnt said clearly but.. he mentioned that could be fanatec and everything is pointing that there is some option on the fanatec wheel to allow such gear changing.. still dont know if there's some other feature behind that but thats pretty much the deal then... i really hope its the standard wheel.. PD will fix that for sure...

anyway.. fair for all!? no... but i have a g25 cant say too much though.. fair for them!? (if its the fanatec standard wheel), yes.. they paid for it đź‘Ť still remaining really odd ... :yuck:
 
The cheat works for some SMG cars like the F430 which can be driven using the manual mode. well im sure this is something that needs to be fixed.
 
Does someone from GTP have a fanatec wheel that can test this?
Are all GTP'ers using Logitech (DFGT/DFP/G25) wheels only?
 
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