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They are cheating!!! i hate it, it makes a mockery of everyone else.

The shifts are pretty much seamless and that's not how the f430 works in prologue.

They should be reported and banned for a while to deter others!

also, now we have uncovered HOW they're cheating i am afraid others will see it and try to copy it, but i am confident that on GT Planet not many people at all have the intention to cheat.
 
the guy is using 2 nicks... he is undercovered and im sure hes watching this thread due our conversations... he's fast as the best and that dont happens in just a few days.. to compete for the top he's on GT for a while, that im pretty sure... the truth will rise...

are you listening ufuk(ing)-amir!?!? you're a freak...
 
lucag120
They are cheating!!! i hate it, it makes a mockery of everyone else.

The shifts are pretty much seamless and that's not how the f430 works in prologue.

They should be reported and banned for a while to deter others!

also, now we have uncovered HOW they're cheating i am afraid others will see it and try to copy it, but i am confident that on GT Planet not many people at all have the intention to cheat.
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I haven't seen the videos (don't own yet a PS3, but as someone else ask for, it would be nice if someone could youtube it), but anyway, I don't think that you can already say that they are cheaters.
Let me ask you the following:
1) Based on what written here already, does any one from GTP was able to copy exact what they are doing ?
2) Does someone tried fanatec wheel (911 or other one) - maybe their mechanics & response is different
 
yossigab
I haven't seen the videos (don't own yet a PS3, but as someone else ask for, it would be nice if someone could youtube it), but anyway, I don't think that you can already say that they are cheaters.
Let me ask you the following:
1) Based on what written here already, does any one from GTP was able to copy exact what they are doing ?
2) Does someone tried fanatec wheel (911 or other one) - maybe their mechanics & response is different
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so far i haven't been able to recreate the exact same bug or cheat whatever you wanna call it, nor do i own or know anyone near me that has a fanatec wheel (infact you cant even buy it in my country).

I just send UFUK amir a message ...waiting for the reply.

May what makes you think that I_I-AMIR-I_I and I_I-UFUK_I_I are the same person? what if this is some kind of Lebanese group. You never know

Chris
 
Hi all, I have some ideas for G25 mod for shift faster.

Step 1...............................Step 2..................................................Step 3

--- 2 Gas...............................--- 4 Clutch.........................................--- 2 Gas
...................... -push ............. Change gear ..............-release.......................
--- 4 Clutch ........................... --- 2 Gas....................................... --- 4 Clutch

Materials: db9 connectors some cable and a double open/close circuit push button.

With this system you dont need press clutch pedal.
Gas pedal is always in full throttle except when clutch button switcher is pressed because is connected to clutch line.
 
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hexmann
Hi all, I have some ideas for G25 mod for shift faster.

Step 1...............................Step 2..................................................Step 3

--- 2 Gas...............................--- 4 Clutch.........................................--- 2 Gas
...................... -push ............. Change gear ..............-release.......................
--- 4 Clutch ........................... --- 2 Gas....................................... --- 4 Clutch

Materials: db9 connectors some cable and a double open/close circuit push button.

With this system you dont need press clutch pedal.
Gas pedal is always in full throttle except when clutch button switcher is pressed because is connected to clutch line.
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I don't understand the hack you've tried to draw.
Maybe it is better if take some drawing software (event "paint" is enough) and draw it with actual lines & colors and publish it here...
 
it´s simple, swap gas and clutch line in conector while you push a button.
 

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Again the G25 wheel issue pops up (not that you can't mod any wheel). Technically the G25 is "not supported" by PD, so in one school of thought using a G25 in any GT online racing/hotlapping is cheating. The DFGT is the "official" wheel sanctioned (and designed) by PD and at all official PD/GT competitions (i.e GT Driving Academy) that is the wheel that has been used. Shouldn't that be the wheel that is considered the gold standard by the OLR community. Sure the G25 has advantages and IS a better experience (and more realistic) but over and over this issue pops up.

I've not seen, or raced in, a OLR event where the G25 with clutch has been allowed or wasn't treated as a separate class.

It's something that needs to be defined in the OLR world. But it's tricky. What's a legal mod and what isn't? Back in GT3/GT4 days when all we had was the DF wheel, people were "modding" the wheels with different pedals (or pots in the DF pedals), mostly because the pedals were so bad on the DF. But then some started adding bumpers and springs the pedals (which gave smoother power application and better brake feel) which caused a stir in the OLR world as a "advantage".

The ideas for the odd times being thrown around this thread are unfortunate and discredit fast times but without a defacto standard in the OLR world for controllers G25 issues (modded or not, that applies to any wheel/controller) will pop up.

Just wait until GT5 gets cracked open software-wise like GT3 does and hybridding becomes a big issue (like it was in GT3 OLR). It's only going to get more and more complicated.

Not to mention the in-game GT5p leaderboards are never totally clean. People are always shortcutting, wall riding or finding ways to gain an advantage somehow...PD hasen't really tried THAT hard to stop it.

It's OLR communities like this one where we care about fair and clean racing. Our leaderboards (by "our" I mean, not just GTP, but any respected OLR community) are the times to watch and try to race against as you can be sure they are clean and done in the spirit of the accepted OLR rules.
 
Well I don't know what the big fuss is about. All we have to do is analyze the video replay. You can watch throttle inputs and can decipher if there is any kind of manipulation outside of the software. From there you can claim what is valid or not. Who cares really? Everything on GTP will be based on reputation, so you won't have to deal with cheaters of this type very often. Now lets all go relax and have a cold one eh?
 
Logic
I've not seen, or raced in, a OLR event where the G25 with clutch has been allowed or wasn't treated as a separate class.
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TPRA allows G25 users to use their clutch as they see fit.
And, any drivers participating on a given evening are grouped by time.

Good post. 👍
 
IMO He is using a computer program that controls the throttle/clutch input. The computer lifts off the throttle so fast and changes gears that the animation on the screen isn't fast enough to catch. Because sometimes you'll see a blink of red on the throttle line, but sometimes you won't. The computer also switches to sequential shifting when he is downshifting. He's downshifts are way too perfect to be performed with the clutch. Time for another ban, but we need to figure out for sure how they're doing it to forward the info to PD.
 
Bizarre,
that anyone would waste time 1) figuring out how to "cheat"
2) worrying about other people
"cheating".

There's no money involved - it's all for fun anyway. As I see it, the fun is close racing with other competitors. If you're faster than everyone else all the time, where's the fun in that?!
 
Logic
Again the G25 wheel issue pops up (not that you can't mod any wheel). Technically the G25 is "not supported" by PD, so in one school of thought using a G25 in any GT online racing/hotlapping is cheating. The DFGT is the "official" wheel sanctioned (and designed) by PD and at all official PD/GT competitions (i.e GT Driving Academy) that is the wheel that has been used. Shouldn't that be the wheel that is considered the gold standard by the OLR community. Sure the G25 has advantages and IS a better experience (and more realistic) but over and over this issue pops up.

I've not seen, or raced in, a OLR event where the G25 with clutch has been allowed or wasn't treated as a separate class.

It's something that needs to be defined in the OLR world. But it's tricky. What's a legal mod and what isn't? Back in GT3/GT4 days when all we had was the DF wheel, people were "modding" the wheels with different pedals (or pots in the DF pedals), mostly because the pedals were so bad on the DF. But then some started adding bumpers and springs the pedals (which gave smoother power application and better brake feel) which caused a stir in the OLR world as a "advantage".

The ideas for the odd times being thrown around this thread are unfortunate and discredit fast times but without a defacto standard in the OLR world for controllers G25 issues (modded or not, that applies to any wheel/controller) will pop up.

Just wait until GT5 gets cracked open software-wise like GT3 does and hybridding becomes a big issue (like it was in GT3 OLR). It's only going to get more and more complicated.

Not to mention the in-game GT5p leaderboards are never totally clean. People are always shortcutting, wall riding or finding ways to gain an advantage somehow...PD hasen't really tried THAT hard to stop it.

It's OLR communities like this one where we care about fair and clean racing. Our leaderboards (by "our" I mean, not just GTP, but any respected OLR community) are the times to watch and try to race against as you can be sure they are clean and done in the spirit of the accepted OLR rules.
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Can anyone out there, come up with a good reason as to why this posters username is "Logic". I can't think of one...

It's always a joy reading a users thoughts, so clearly. I envy all with the ability not only to think like you, but to portray your thoughts so clearly.

Hopefully you're really ugly, or poor...so my envy can stop there ;)
 
GTP_rpm
Can anyone out there, come up with a good reason as to why this posters username is "Logic". I can't think of one...

It's always a joy reading a users thoughts, so clearly. I envy all with the ability not only to think like you, but to portray your thoughts so clearly.

Hopefully you're really ugly, or poor...so my envy can stop there ;)
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And, your post contributed how?
 
Logic
.Sure the G25 has advantages and IS a better experience (and more realistic)
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With me this is what its all about i started a thread about "Who really uses the G25" with me i play with my g25 just as if i was in that car IRL. You say the G25 has its advantages but it has its disavantages also. For my hardcore G25 users they know what im talking about. Ive been in HEATED races online with top position and then miss shift on a turn from the pressure and lose. some people say people with G25 are cheaters etc and i agree with that to a point. For example this problem we are talking about now is crazy. How far will some people go? thats why me personally i dont care for the leader boards i just play to get a great experience from the game. Another point i have is the people playing the game with G25 and using just the paddles because their faster. please dont get me wrong to a point i know where your comming from and you also paid for your game so you can also play it how you want. or we have some other people saying the clutch isnt real it not like a real car, i also feel you people, but we dont feel any g forces right, but we still play the game all im saying if people just took the time out to drive the cars as real as possible they would get so much more out the game.👍
 
Well, I have to say that in my experience using the H-shifter is much harder than using the sequential shifter - even after becoming very used to the H shifter, it's still pretty common for me to miss-shift once every few laps. Using the clutch - even more often. Those miss-shifts can easily cost 1 or 2 seconds & lose me a place when I'm racing online...
 
Biggles
Well, I have to say that in my experience using the H-shifter is much harder than using the sequential shifter - even after becoming very used to the H shifter, it's still pretty common for me to miss-shift once every few laps. Using the clutch - even more often. Those miss-shifts can easily cost 1 or 2 seconds & lose me a place when I'm racing online...
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No doubt i agree with you 100% i am also used to the H shifter but some times when the pressures on i will miss shift and it sux so bad because it messed me up so bad, thats why i said it has its advantages and disadvantages.
 
JDMKING13
No doubt i agree with you 100% i am also used to the H shifter but some times when the pressures on i will miss shift and it sux so bad because it messed me up so bad, thats why i said it has its advantages and disadvantages.
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i so know what your talking about, racing at 750PP Suzuka, coming out of the chicane in 2nd, planning on shifting to 3rd, and then hit NEUTRAL anf until i put the gear in at least driver behind me will pass by on the straight... even worse on the fuji straight.

May? whats the news, i need to know, btw i still haven't received any reply from that UFUK guy.

Chris
 
MeAgainstYou
i really dont want to know how they do.. i think its a disrespectable act for those guys trying to find any way to gain advantage on others cheating.. they should be banned from PSN :grumpy:
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I've not read every post in this thread and haven't played GT5P with a G25 or even touched the game since about January, even if I was still playing 5P I don't care about leaderboards and wouldn't have checked them

BUT!

Are you absolutely sure about this acusation of cheating, it sounds like what the guys at the top are doing is:

Flatshifting

It's a legitimate technique used by race car drivers almost as much as "Heel and Toe"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD2Ltbm4-eM

Not that leaderboards are at all important as I have never seen a racing game without the top of a leaderboard being dominated by some sort of advantage or cheat, but if it bothers you then perhaps perfecting the art of Flatshifting should be a priority, just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
 
jonboy1066
I've not read every post in this thread and haven't played GT5P with a G25 or even touched the game since about January, even if I was still playing 5P I don't care about leaderboards and wouldn't have checked them

BUT!

Are you absolutely sure about this acusation of cheating, it sounds like what the guys at the top are doing is:

Flatshifting

It's a legitimate technique used by race car drivers almost as much as "Heel and Toe"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD2Ltbm4-eM

Not that leaderboards are at all important as I have never seen a racing game without the top of a leaderboard being dominated by some sort of advantage or cheat, but if it bothers you then perhaps perfecting the art of Flatshifting should be a priority, just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
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You can't flatshift in GT5P. It won't engage the gear.
 
Chris: no need to rush... be patient my friend.. it may take a few days or weeks but we will discover him.. i just dont have 100% sure now.
 
renzo42
actually it does work....just needs good timing and good footwork.
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Good timing? You don't take your foot off the throttle (hence the term "flat"-shift) so what has timing got to do with it? If you are good you can shift with still some power (weak powershift) but not flatshift.
 
JDMKING13
No doubt i agree with you 100% i am also used to the H shifter but some times when the pressures on i will miss shift and it sux so bad because it messed me up so bad, thats why i said it has its advantages and disadvantages.
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And thats what racing is about.How to concentrait and abel to handle the car when you start to feel pressure.Online is the only place where you get that,thats why im there.
 
This entire thread is, sorry to say, approaching a cry fest at a good pace. Cheating is something that breaks the rules, like cutting corners and wall riding. What you're seeing is not as it doesn't. I'll explain.

Player X plays using a DS3 and has spent 0€ extra.
Player Y plays using a G25 and has spent 300€ extra.
Player Z plays using a G25 and has spent that 300€ plus a lot of their own time and perhaps even more money coming up with a solution to make the wheel work better.

Are Players Z and Y cheaters, or should X just bite the bullet and do something about it? Shell out the money to buy a wheel and mod it maybe? I'd say the latter solution is the real one. None of you would call buying the best available running shoes before a marathon cheating (because it's not) but you go totally nuts over this case despite the situation being the same. Is every big motorsports team cheating because they have the money to come up with something the others don't? No. Should they give away all their technical advantages so that the strugglers don't get sad? I don't think so.

My point? If this "cheating" bothers you so much, get similar hardware (or software, no idea what it is) and show these "cheaters" who's the boss by driving faster. Otherwise get along with it, you have the choice if you want to use it.
 
Greycap
This entire thread is, sorry to say, approaching a cry fest at a good pace. Cheating is something that breaks the rules, like cutting corners and wall riding. What you're seeing is not as it doesn't. I'll explain.

Player X plays using a DS3 and has spent 0€ extra.
Player Y plays using a G25 and has spent 300€ extra.
Player Z plays using a G25 and has spent that 300€ plus a lot of their own time and perhaps even more money coming up with a solution to make the wheel work better.

Are Players Z and Y cheaters, or should X just bite the bullet and do something about it? Shell out the money to buy a wheel and mod it maybe? I'd say the latter solution is the real one. None of you would call buying the best available running shoes before a marathon cheating (because it's not) but you go totally nuts over this case despite the situation being the same. Is every big motorsports team cheating because they have the money to come up with something the others don't? No. Should they give away all their technical advantages so that the strugglers don't get sad? I don't think so.

My point? If this "cheating" bothers you so much, get similar hardware (or software, no idea what it is) and show these "cheaters" who's the boss by driving faster. Otherwise get along with it, you have the choice if you want to use it.
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The Finnish approach :sly: 👍
 
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