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Um, there are a lot of major changes going from Undercover to Shift. A lot of good changes.
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Um, there are a lot of major changes going from Undercover to Shift. A lot of good changes.
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- huh?
I guess most don't understand the basis of Nascar and it's purpose in relation to 'real racing'.
And I have nothing wrong or personal to say about the inclusion of the WRC into the game and yes, it's a plus.
But Nascar?
Oh wait, what if it rains in the game, do we race? No, at least not in the real racing series.
Any other form of Motorsport and you race when it rains, that's 'real racing'.
Only doing left turns?
I'm sorry but that's just lame.
I'm not sure of how many have the Speed Channel but all they glorify is Nascar and all it's related b.s. that comes along with a redneck attitude toward racing.
I love racing and all the motorsports that has real racing to offer.
I follow F1, the Rolex series, the WRC when it was televised here in the States, and several other forms that I can't think of right now.
Heck, I wish they'd televise the GT500 and GT300 series that seems so popular in Japan but alas, Speed TV can only glorify Nascar.
I'm still buying the GT5 game because it is something for the masses and I've always loved the GT series since the beginning of it.
And I apologize to have offended anyone about the lessening status of Polyphany for the inclusion of the Nascar series. With the responses I've read, it's a good thing and maybe people will see how (in my opinion) lame Nascar really is.
Oh and Tenacious, it's really me. lol
I'm still building my race car and it's coming along nicely.
This is a dumb post, especially for a "Super Moderator"
I dont like NASCAR either, but who are you to say its not real racing just because you dont like it?
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He has strong opposition to NASCAR but he is being very civil about the negavtive feedback he is getting
He is not handing out any "tickets", can't a "police officer" have his own opinions (albeit strong opinion), he is not policing his ideas on anyone.
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NO, in the opinion of many, a Mod or Super Mod needs to be fair about everything if they are going to share. He/she is representing GTPlanet. The attitude displayed was one of visceral ignorance, smugness and not inclusive to the point of offending members.
Mods and or Super Mods (especially) are supposed to use a measure of "wisdom" when expressing themselves. They are supposed to be looked up to and be a role model for other members here or any community.
To be frank, I think he should be knocked back down to the level of "common folk" (or redneck in his mind) with that comment. Serioulsy.
Mods and or Super Mods (especially) are supposed to use a measure of "wisdom" when expressing themselves. They are supposed to be looked up to and be a role model for other members here or any community.
To be frank, I think he should be knocked back down to the level of "common folk" (or redneck in his mind) with that comment. Serioulsy.
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If you don't think he is behaving appropriately then report him, we could agree or disagree all day about a members (including moderators) behaviour but in the end it's up to Jordan to decide, who probably takes in consideration the thoughts of members and staff.
On the record I don't agree with his opinions either, but I am no offended at all and I think he is being very civil about it considering the amount of strong negative feedback his opinions has raised.
On the record I don't agree with his opinions either, but I am no offended at all and I think he is being very civil about it considering the amount of strong negative feedback his opinions has raised.
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I agree, it's up to Jordan. He could state his opinion without acting like some sort of anti-NASCAR troll though. Perhaps by using some facts to base his opinion on? Rather than insulting members by calling us "rednecks" with his unfounded, emotional, uneducated, and asinine statement; making a mockery of a very legitimate form of motor sport.
Now, as a NASCAR fan he called me a "redneck". By apologizing before the fact he knew he was saying something he should not have been saying. See, that's one of those cases of "biting one's tongue". We're expected to mind our P's and Q's, the staff is held to a higher standard IMO.
He really showed his ignorance of motor sport in general by not knowing the simple reasons of why NASCAR does not race in the rain on ovals.
I'll rag on NASCAR (the sanctioning body) every time they do something really stupid. At least I use some example of why I have an opinion. If I don't, I'm just an ignorant jerk. For example, the entire NASCAR rule book is subject to "NASCAR's discretion". Which is absolute bullspit.
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I was just looking at the GT5 trailer again & it struck me how much footage is devoted to the human figure, which frankly doesn't look that great compared to the modelling of the cars. Whereas the cars could pretty much be mistaken for RL, the figures (although pretty decent by video game standards) still look hopelessly wooden & unreal.
Wonder why PD chose to focus on this for their first GT5 trailer?
Wonder why PD chose to focus on this for their first GT5 trailer?
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The point is, there is a lot of time devoted to the figures in the trailer - the long opening sequence from Bern, the driver walking down the tunnel, the Nascar pit crews etc, etc. - a bit odd, because really they don't look that good, especially compared to the amazing shots from Nurburgring, the "night" racing etc. If I wanted to show off GT5, I would be focussing more on the incomparable car modelling rather than the somewhat questionable figures.
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I agree completely. Which makes me even happier that it doesn't apply to the Gran Turismo series.
You know, Toca didn't seem to suffer from it much, it was just wonky coding for wheel controllers and car handling which placed them on a center-of-gravity spindle like a SEGA racer. The variety of races offered had nothing to do with either of those.
As for the figures around the car, Kaz does need to have the people involved with human body actions work on that a bit. Still, I'm not buying it because I want "The Real Pit Crew Simulator."
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I dont see anything wrong there, trackside characters give the game a lot more lifelike look (which is exactly what it needs), the whole opening sequence has shown a city (Bern) turning into racetrack, you can only do this when you have lots of people walking there and the NASCAR scenes needed the pit crews, it is an essential part of the whole racing atmosphere.
Its all part of the overall feeling, that the cars and tracks look awesome was also very noticable. lol
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So I'm not a human being that enjoys building cars, driving cars, and winning trophies?
I have likes and dislikes just like anybody so whether I'm an Admin, Super Mod or just a Member, I can view my opinion.
And that opinion got an excellent discussion going in which it ended peacefully.
So we have to be robots of discipline to be moderators. *takes notes here*
I really don't think that your definition of moderators is a valid one.
I think that several here understood why I commented and that they were opinions that challenged others to comment back with legitimate feelings of what they believe.
Sometimes you have to stir the pot to keep the food from burning. I think I handled it quite professionally.
I understand more than I let on and yes, I understand why they don't drive in the rain.
So my opinion was that they should get with the real world of motorsports where technology has made it so that they CAN race in the rain. It's kind of like baseball in when it rains, they quit and cover the field. How lame it that?
Ooops, that's another subject altogether.
So once again, I'll leave this conversation on a good note and reiterate that I'm not trying to start an argument with others. It IS good to see such passion for ones choosing of motorsport and that's what my posting in this thread was all about.
I've been around forums too long to try to offend anybody or get under ones skin. I thank those that have backed me up too and see that I tried to be fair with everybodies opinions.
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Thanks blu for clarifying yourself to calm the waters. We all have different hands of cards we can play for a given situation. It all depends on one's mood
Every once in a while I like to splash some Tabasco Chipotle into pasta sauce, just to keep the family on their toes.
Every once in a while I like to splash some Tabasco Chipotle into pasta sauce, just to keep the family on their toes.
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That's really just your view.
He's nothing more than another member, just like the rest of us. The only difference is that he has to enforce rules. That's it. There's nothing that says a Mod can't be an ignorant fool, be fair & civil about everything.
If you really think he's doing a poor job just because he calmly stated his opinion, then you should consider yourself lucky you're debating with him here. I know of several forums where in this situation, the mods wouldn't hesitate to ban you out of spite.
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We can bitch all we want about whether NASCAR or F1 is bad for the GT series, but if it actually winds up being fun to play...who cares? Judging it without playing it is a waste of time and energy.
Would most of you watch any of the one-make races if they were broadcast on TV? Probably not, but sometimes they are fun for some people to play, or to drive in real-life, and not necessarily for others. To me, it depends on how much fun the car is to drive in the first place. I never enjoyed the F1 cars in GT3 and GT4, the races are too predictable, and the cars share nearly nothing with 99.99% of all road-going cars, which in my opinion, sort of diluted the point of Gran Turismo in the first place.
(Of course, NASCAR's Sprint Cup and FIA's Formula One World Championships are rapidly turning into spec-car championships in their own right, much to my displeasure.)
Would most of you watch any of the one-make races if they were broadcast on TV? Probably not, but sometimes they are fun for some people to play, or to drive in real-life, and not necessarily for others. To me, it depends on how much fun the car is to drive in the first place. I never enjoyed the F1 cars in GT3 and GT4, the races are too predictable, and the cars share nearly nothing with 99.99% of all road-going cars, which in my opinion, sort of diluted the point of Gran Turismo in the first place.
(Of course, NASCAR's Sprint Cup and FIA's Formula One World Championships are rapidly turning into spec-car championships in their own right, much to my displeasure.)
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Great point Pupik.
Back on topic.
I think that the two formats of each game has its own merits.
Ever since playing the Forza I and II games, I've taken to their graphics, their physics, and seemingly more realism in the game.
You actually have car damage if you touch or hit the AI, GT does not.
But with the advent of the GT5, there should (not sure) be some form of car damage which will penalize you for not paying attention or missing a line.
So when the time comes, I'll be buying both.
Both have their place on the consoles and have their own likes and dislikes which make for some great entertainment.
Now if GT5 had a sale date, that would be even better.
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I'd like nothing better than to know how much longer I'm going to be fondling Prologue while I wait for the true feast. But as I said in previous posts, Kaz seems intent on springing Gran Turismo 5 in all its glory at the very last. While Forza 3 was finally unveiled a few months prior to release, no one knows the timeframe Kaz is looking at to surprise us. I doubt it's very close to release because the logistics of the gaming business preclude it, with the need for pre-launch advertising, shops offering pre-orders and all that. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's a couple of months or so, just to tweak Ms. A few weeks before the release of Forza wouldn't surprise me at all, and would be such sweet revenge.Now if GT5 had a sale date, that would be even better.
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Nice video, but is it me, or the dopler effect when the cars are passing by sounds odd. It's like "pew", not like "pvaooo". Maybe it's becawse of the bad captured sound.
GT spec 3 has nice doppler effect. But the previous installments (spec 1 and 2) had similar to Forza's sound effect.
And they finally got Circuit de la Sarthe )
What do you guys think about the way cars handle? He said that the cars are fully damageble, but he bumped other cars quite hard, and it seems that the sand trap stopped the car very fast (you can see the speedometer slowing down before he enables rewind)
GT spec 3 has nice doppler effect. But the previous installments (spec 1 and 2) had similar to Forza's sound effect.
And they finally got Circuit de la Sarthe )
What do you guys think about the way cars handle? He said that the cars are fully damageble, but he bumped other cars quite hard, and it seems that the sand trap stopped the car very fast (you can see the speedometer slowing down before he enables rewind)
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Why? I don't see any reason for that at all. He hasn't abused his status or powers in any way by stating his opinion.
Staff members need to be fair and unbiased in our dealing with members, but there is nothing that says we are not allowed to have our own opinions to express. If he had called members here names and attacked them personally for their taste, his conduct would be under review.
But as it is, all he did was state a personal opinion and his disatisfaction with racing coverage as found on a certain channel. Regardless of hisopinion about NASCAR in general, his opinion of that channel's coverage of racing in general is largely correct, in fact.
I see no grounds for any disciplinary action here.
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I didn't really notice any doppler effect... what part of the video are you talking about? At the start of the race, thats cars changing gears going "pew", not doppler effect, later in the race I didn't notice any thing much either.
I'm not going to be too harsh on them about damage. I dont really care if damage is realistic, as long as its there so you can't go bouncing around without penalty. You also dont know how high he has the damage turned up if its on at all.
I'm not sure if its just the bad quality video, but the foilage looks less impressive on Circuit de la Sarthe than it did on the tracks they showed earlier. Maybe its just because there are more trees, or maybe because of the lower video quality, I dunno.
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nice find. I have to say FM3 looks pretty good but I did notice a couple of things. First, there is a fair amount of pop in. Also the framerate is anything but steady and does dip when in the interior view. There is still a stupid amount of brake glow. There are only 8 cars on the track at once which is not Le Mans. But the cars and the track look really nice. The lighting and shadows are a huge improvment over FM3.
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I was talking about the part when he enabled autopilot of somesort, when the cameras were changing like in replays.
Whatever, the game is still at beta stage (like gt5) and XBOX360 users will get a good game in the end, just like PS3 users.
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Huh? Fair amount of pop in? Where? I didn't notice any the first time I viewed it and watched it again just to see, and even the 2nd time I didn't notice any pop in. A couple of times things appeared out of shadows, but it didn't look like pop in to me.
With the unsteady framerate, I'm wondering if its the camera struggling to keep up with the motion. A couple of times we've whacked just a regular still camera on our race car and put it into video mode and it struggles with motion. I'd be surprised if Turn10 would release a game that stutters that bad given how much they praised 60fps in FM2 and are again praising it in FM3, so I'm inclined to either think its a bug they'll hopefully work out, or its the camera.
Oh yeah, I hear it... its odd, its like the sound isn't matching what's happening on the screen. It sounds fine assuming the cars were whizzing by at 250+kmh, but the whizzing sound doesn't seem to match up with the cars in the video, odd.
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^ So far looks like PD will not have Porsche's again.
^ On E3, we didn't see any Porsche's on their vids. But on this video, I just saw one of Porsche's Le Mans race cars like this one:
^ So far looks like PD will not have Porsche's again.
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