CNET.com Poll: Forza 3 vs. Gran Turismo 5

Wow, GT5 is leading

Incredible considering we've only seen a 2 minute teaser of GT5 while we have a ton of information, video and pictures about Forza 3 and all it will offer
 
Not all FM guys are fanboys.. but most are because I bet most people that play Forza are young teenagers.
Another reason is because its SONY VS XBOX Xbox fans, especially young teens will argue FM3 is best sim without any proof just because its on Xbox.
 
To understand Fanboism, just think of it like the matrix (it is all around you blah blah quote). It is here to stay - everyone loves loyalty. There should be a bushido code fonboism aswell - can't let only samurai take all the credit! (I didn't just... I'm joking, love them samurai and their code of honor - not learning japanese for nothing).
 
-> Two of my friends owns a Forza/XB360 combo; both of them strongly urging me to jump ship from GT to Forza.

-> They stated that the XBL is far more superior to PSN, plus the customizable feature in Forza make GT look 'meh'.

-> But I didn't took their word for it as I already played Forza 2 numerous times. I wasn't satisfied on Forza's gameplay; I see it more annoying than satisfying. As of current date; I have no reason on why to get an XB360. Maybe because of DOAXBVB and PGR but its not enough to consider my purchase, I'd get a PSP 1st before XB360.
 
-> Two of my friends owns a Forza/XB360 combo; both of them strongly urging me to jump ship from GT to Forza.

-> They stated that the XBL is far more superior to PSN, plus the customizable feature in Forza make GT look 'meh'.

-> But I didn't took their word for it as I already played Forza 2 numerous times. I wasn't satisfied on Forza's gameplay; I see it more annoying than satisfying. As of current date; I have no reason on why to get an XB360. Maybe because of DOAXBVB and PGR but its not enough to consider my purchase, I'd get a PSP 1st before XB360.

XBL is better, and it should be for a charged service.

Also, why is it that people only seem to think they can only play one franchise of games?
 
XBL is better, and it should be for a charged service.

Also, why is it that people only seem to think they can only play one franchise of games?

Because they only have one of the current Generation consoles? 💡

Not everyone can afford both consoles you know.
 
They locked my thread straight away...
http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/2642841.aspx

was i offensive to any users or the forum??
No, you weren't offensive, really. But this shows you how childish and arrogant (or perhaps brainwashed by themselves) FM3 fanboys and the admins of that site are, they just can't take criticism of any sort. Everything about FM3 is top notch in their eyes. You could almost think it's a religion and Forza is their God.

I'm a GT fan, but I can admit FM3 looks like a great game! Great graphics, a lot of cars, damage, skid marks, tyre deformation and so on.

What annoys me a little however, is that they seem to be blind. Forza 3 doesn't look better than GT5, it doesn't look better than GT5P either. I'd say it a bit better than GTHD Concept (GT4 with HD graphics) thanks to the poly count, but that's it. It looks great, but it's not stunning as GT5P. But hey, graphics aint everything.

Screenshot comparison (Click the images for full size):

Gran Turismo 5:



Gran Turismo 5 Prologue:



Gran Turismo HD Concept:



Forza Motorsport 3:

 
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I must say that it would be really cool if someone from PD would drop by GTplanet and speak with us. Hell, I'd freak out if it was someone from the PD marketing team (if one exists). Supposedly they read our forums but for once I'd like direct communication with PD.

Even if Che is a complete a-hole, it's awesome that he speaks directly to his fans. Talk about developing a fan base aka fanboyism.
 
I must say that it would be really cool if someone from PD would drop by GTplanet and speak with us. Hell, I'd freak out if it was someone from the PD marketing team (if one exists).
That's probably the reason they won't do it, because they know everyone of us would freak out. ;)
 
No, you weren't offensive, really. But this shows you how childish and arrogant (or perhaps brainwashed by themselves) FM3 fanboys and the admins of that site are, they just can't take criticism of any sort. Everything about FM3 is top notch in their eyes. You could almost think it's a religion and Forza is their God.

I'm a GT fan, but I can admit FM3 looks like a great game! Great graphics, a lot of cars, damage, skid marks, tyre deformation and so on.

What annoys me a little however, is that they seem to be blind. Forza 3 doesn't look better than GT5, it doesn't look better than GT5P either. I'd say it a bit better than GTHD Concept (GT4 with HD graphics) thanks to the poly count, but that's it. It looks great, but it's not stunning as GT5P. But hey, graphics aint everything.

Screenshot comparison (Click the images for full size):

Anyone with an artist's eye can see the differences between GT5/GT5:P and Forza 3 quite clearly and easily.

While Forza 3 is a great graphical improvement over Forza 1.5, they still have a ways to go to match GT5:P or GT5, even though their graphics engine only has to handle half the amount of cars

I am impressed by their effort though, but it's becoming painfully obvious the 360 hardware and DVD software format is holding them back
 
Can someone make good comparision between GT5P and FM3 cars in graphics? Similar angles if you can.
 
Nope it's HD Concept, but the GT4 cars never made it to the final product. :)


But that Playstation Oreca Audi isn't in GT4, only GT Mobile. And that is no way upscaled HD graphics, you can still see the jaggies from the poor GT4 quality rendering. I'm gonna say thats GT Mobile.

EDIT: Why not use actual GT HD Concept images anyway instead of stuff that supposedly never made it into the game?
 
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Definitive Damage modelling in Definitive Racing Game..
 
But I never seen a video car flip out and stay on the roof.. I think they could flip cars ONLY if it returns to wheels. And no way a wide and low gravity car such at R8 would flip because hit hit a wall.
 
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Definitive Damage modelling in Definitive Racing Game..
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I just found this comment on the poll, and I just have to quote it...

You people are completely Gran Turismo biased. The point of a racing sim is to become MORE REALISTIC. the only thing gt has done over the years is get better graphics, and more cars. Forza on the other hand, has actually focused on things that real enthusiasts care about, like real physicsm such as when you hit a wall at 200 mph, you dont just bounce off without a scratch. GT's physics have barely changed since the first game, the graphics keep looking all the more amazing though, which is a good thing. But all GT5 is doing to get more people to buy it is adding nascar and wrc, that is not getting better as a racing sim, yes thats racing, well, if you call nascar racing, but its just for the money, they dont care about their games, if they did than they would actually try and put effort into making them better. If you look at FM3, you CAN damage your car, like youve been able to since the first game, and now youll be able to rolll over, like a real car would. And while you still play gt4, since its been years and gt5 STILL isnt out, forza 2 has created a massive online community, where people can buy and sell cars with pint jobs and designs they have created themselves, THATS evolving. Im pretty sire with gt4 you could only pick the color you buy it in, or win it in, which then you dont get to pick it, and then your stuck with that, oh joy. Some people love cars just the way they look, other like to customize the way a car looks, and forza lets people do that. FM3 will have over 400 FULLY customizable cars, inside AND out. And everything you do to the car will effect how it drives. THATS realistic, THATS evolving. And if you say "well the graphics in gt5 will be way better", well, they dont look like a HUGE jump from 4 to me, but if you look at fm3, each car has been completely redone with 10x more polygons than fm2, and with its new physics engine, the texture resolution is 4x better than fm2. Plus there will be not only circuit and timed races like before, but there will also be drifting, and drag races, and even some ovals, like there were already, so you real racers can take all the left turns you want! So HONESTLY if you cant see why the poll reads what it does still, than maybe you should get off of your little playstation pedestals, and actually try playing forza for real. and id love for you guys to comment back, i do
 
But that Playstation Oreca Audi isn't in GT4, only GT Mobile. And that is no way upscaled HD graphics, you can still see the jaggies from the poor GT4 quality rendering. I'm gonna say thats GT Mobile.

EDIT: Why not use actual GT HD Concept images anyway instead of stuff that supposedly never made it into the game?

no, that's definitely GT HD concept images. Do you remember waay back when PD is going to release GT HD but with 2 completely different graphic one is the graphic from GT4 but upscalled and the other on is the current GT5P quality of graphics? The images that he posted is the GTHD on GT4 upscalled version.
 
What annoys me a little however, is that they seem to be blind. Forza 3 doesn't look better than GT5, it doesn't look better than GT5P either. I'd say it a bit better than GTHD Concept (GT4 with HD graphics) thanks to the poly count, but that's it. It looks great, but it's not stunning as GT5P. But hey, graphics aint everything.

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I beg to differ heres a quote from a thread on FM.net about GT5 vs Forza graphics

"Pretty graphics are nice, but these "photo mode" quasi-bullshots don't tell the real story.

GT5 replay shots/videos look about twice as good as the actual game itself....because they run at half the framerate and use the extra power to crank up the special effects. It makes watching replays a lot more visually appealing, but frankly, it doesn't add a whit to the behind-the-wheel experience.

Gratuitously lifted from the GTplanted thread posted earlier.

GT5 Prologue photo mode:

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Actual GT5 in-game:

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Notice the difference?

Again, pretty static images are nice, but ultimately, to quote Shakespeare in Hamlet, "The play's the thing". The most important thing about graphics to me are the ones I see when I'm behind the wheel, trying to figure out if I'm close enough to make a pass attempt on the guy in front of me, or if I should wait for the next opportunity. Oddly, in situations like that, I don't have much time to focus on whether the grass is 2D or 3D. Funny how that works.

Forza 3s graphics may not ulitmately be the "prettiest", but when it comes to gameplay situations like the one above, I know in FM3, my opponent in such a situation will have to calculate whether he can pass safely, because if he just slams into me, he risks doing serious damage to his machine and his chances of winning. I do not yet know if that will be true in GT5. In my mind, in the "versus" war between these two franchises (both of which I have devoted hundreds of hours to playing), it is gameplay, not graphics, will be the "river card" that decides who wins the hand."
 
I did my bit to help and voted GT.

@Strittan: That comment you quoted is hilarious...

He starts off with the words "You people are completely Gran Turismo biased" but fails to notice his own delusioned fanboy-ism, Talk about irony. He says that GT's physics have not changed at all, when infact they have been given a complete make-over in GT5P and are very good now. Another thing that made me laugh was how he said "like real physics such as when you hit a wall at 200 mph, you dont just bounce off without a scratch", has he seen that Forza Audi R8 crash? You don't roll over, land on your wheels and carry on either. Try doing that in real life and that R8 will be nothing but a pile of crumpled metal. The line that annoyed me the most was "but its just for the money, they dont care about their games", this is completley the opposite way around, Turn 10 are the ones who just want the money and only want to beat GT.

...the bloke who wrote this comment is completley blind to Forza's faults and obviously, judging by his comments, has never played GT.
 
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