You people are completely Gran Turismo biased. The point of a racing sim is to become MORE REALISTIC. the only thing gt has done over the years is get better graphics, and more cars. Forza on the other hand, has actually focused on things that real enthusiasts care about, like real physicsm such as when you hit a wall at 200 mph, you dont just bounce off without a scratch. GT's physics have barely changed since the first game, the graphics keep looking all the more amazing though, which is a good thing. But all GT5 is doing to get more people to buy it is adding nascar and wrc, that is not getting better as a racing sim, yes thats racing, well, if you call nascar racing, but its just for the money, they dont care about their games, if they did than they would actually try and put effort into making them better. If you look at FM3, you CAN damage your car, like youve been able to since the first game, and now youll be able to rolll over, like a real car would. And while you still play gt4, since its been years and gt5 STILL isnt out, forza 2 has created a massive online community, where people can buy and sell cars with pint jobs and designs they have created themselves, THATS evolving. Im pretty sire with gt4 you could only pick the color you buy it in, or win it in, which then you dont get to pick it, and then your stuck with that, oh joy. Some people love cars just the way they look, other like to customize the way a car looks, and forza lets people do that. FM3 will have over 400 FULLY customizable cars, inside AND out. And everything you do to the car will effect how it drives. THATS realistic, THATS evolving. And if you say "well the graphics in gt5 will be way better", well, they dont look like a HUGE jump from 4 to me, but if you look at fm3, each car has been completely redone with 10x more polygons than fm2, and with its new physics engine, the texture resolution is 4x better than fm2. Plus there will be not only circuit and timed races like before, but there will also be drifting, and drag races, and even some ovals, like there were already, so you real racers can take all the left turns you want! So HONESTLY if you cant see why the poll reads what it does still, than maybe you should get off of your little playstation pedestals, and actually try playing forza for real. and id love for you guys to comment back, i do