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To be honest, the suspensions is very modern, and the OHV layout saves weight and size, and fits the American flavour of the car.
Corvette C7
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To be honest, the suspensions is very modern, and the OHV layout saves weight and size, and fits the American flavour of the car.
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Nah, they don't need to change the small block. The addition of direct-injection and variable valve timing is more than enough to make it a very modern competitor to the majority of other options out there. Adding overhead cams and decreasing the displacement won't help the car perform any better, and I would argue that, if anything, it'd make it less of a Corvette. Less torque, more weight, and a higher price are not the ways to go.
As for the smaller engine, we might be getting a smaller V8, and I'd be fine with that. I've been saying for years that the 5.3L should be shoved into something other than the trucks, and it's looking like it could find it's way into a "standard" Corvette.
If there is an interesting powertrain I'd like to see adapted to the car, I'd have liked to see GM adapt their Two Mode Hybrid system to the car. It certainly seems trendy with the P1, LaFerrari and 918, and would do well to keep up EPA standards for the brand... But, it isn't exactly like the 30 MPG the Stingray will do is all that bad, either.
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A performance oriented mild hybrid Corvette with a smaller V8 would be pretty cool. Assuming it gets all the nice interior trimmings, it could do well in Europe.
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Blah blah leaf springs blah blah pushrods blah blah.
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I read in reports in 2012 that smaller engines were under consideration, including a twin turbo V6 and a 400hp twin turbo 3.0 V8 revving to 10,000rpm that was first mooted in 2011.
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Would you really buy a Corvette with a DOHC engine and a different suspension? I suspect even then you wouldn't because you probably wouldn't be able to afford one. Putting a DOHC, which would be an entirely new engine from GM, and a different suspension, which would also be entirely new, would be very expensive to develop and that would be passed on to the consumer.
One of the biggest selling points of the Corvette is that, for a sports car, it's cheap.
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Base model cars like the one in the video never have meaty tires like the Z06 and ZR1, but the C6 base model did have the same size tires. Also these are ultra engineered super sport mich tires, so they'll be pretty epic.
Oh looks who's back after the last exchange, with even more inane rhetoric. So you were disproved on engine sounds and you want to try this again, why??? Someone thinks too highly of the euro super/hypercars it'd seem
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To be honest, you are the one who sounds inane. Give him a chance, he makes a valid point and there's nothing wrong with expecting one of the largest automakers in the world to fit one of their flagship cars with the same technology you'd get on a car costing a third as much.
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What? So you call me inane then say (refer to bold section) at a third of a Vette price you can get a DOHC V8 in the same class, cause that is what the user your defending was getting at. If you look at the classes the Vette plays in most of their counterparts fitted with DOHC V8s or higher cylinder producing engines are twice or three times the price of a Vette. If you were around earlier you'd have seen some of the stuff that he said and why I posted the way I did. Also he already made his voice heard
I rather you not try to white knight, especially if you don't know what I'm talking about and the user I quoted does.
And what is exactly valid about his point? The point you made on the push rod set up was a valid point.
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As well another from GM in 1990.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine
Scroll down to LT-5
Then you have the Northstar series too.
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Gonna stop you right there. No he doesn't. He's regurgitating cliched Clarkson-esque sentiments, and nothing more.
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Well yes, given misconceptions about the technology I'd guess there'd be pressure to use it. However GM being American can get away with using something "archaic" that is lighter, with a lower cg, and use the uniqueness as a selling point. This is one instance where copy-catting won't get them anything.
Also, now having seen shed loads of C7's everywhere, the rear end is still a mess. The front is nice in the right color, but the grill looks like dentures or something.
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I'm not counting the LT-5 since it was developed by Lotus and built by Mercury Marine 👍
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I don't think a DOHC motor would fit very well in the C7, either, because it's much taller. I could be wrong, though, and a smaller displacement engine would probably fix that problem.
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You can make a DOHC engine extremely compact. Look at the Porsche Carrera GT and Mclaren MP4-12C for examples. The problem is this:
1. Compact/Efficiently Packaged
2. Powerful
3. Cheap
Pick 2 of the above. The Corvette has always been, and will always be about value. The original ZR-1 didn't really work because it was massively expensive.
1. Compact/Efficiently Packaged
2. Powerful
3. Cheap
Pick 2 of the above. The Corvette has always been, and will always be about value. The original ZR-1 didn't really work because it was massively expensive.
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That's putting it mildly.
This is an LT4 C4:
This is an LT5 C4:
And engine displacement doesn't have that much to do with exterior dimensions (though obviously we aren't talking about big block engines or anything), so chopping it down wouldn't help matters if it was based on the same block (which it would have to be). Plus the LSx engines are aluminum blocks, so they wouldn't even have the theoretical weight advantage anymore (see below).
Plus, while it was certainly a powerful and lovingly overengineered engine, it was also very heavy (because of how huge it was); even after they cast the entire thing in aluminum (when the plebeian Corvette motors at the time were still iron).
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I'd love to get hold of a LT5 for a swap of sorts. However I'd do an LSX before that. Now of money wasnt much if an object. . . It would indeed be a unique and fun project.
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Quite impressive stats considering it's price. I find it to be insane, how american manufactures are able to produce these insanly good performing cars for pretty much half the price. It's quite scary to think that it's only the stock C7 with the Z51 Package, can't wait for the Z06/ZR1 and how it's going to perform against european sports/hyper cars and the new GT-R.
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3444lbs? Isn't that heavier than the C6?
The C7 is looking to be a truly great car. I still hate the black roof option though.
The C7 is looking to be a truly great car. I still hate the black roof option though.
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Thank god it's only an option and isn't a standard feature.
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That will buff out, right, please say yes...??? I'll keep lying to myself in the meantime.
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Looking at it, I think the 'Vette just needs a new door depending on damage to pillars.
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"Boohoo, the 'Vette is using archaic technology!"
Well, too darn bad! I mean, who cares? Here, a list of lap times for the Virginia International Raceway I've come across:
5. Ferrari 458 Italia 2:49.90 '09
4. Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z51 2:51.70 14'
6. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 '10
7. KTM X-Bow 2:52.30 '08
8. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 2:52.38 '12
9. Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 '11
10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 2:53.50 '11
11. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 2:53.90 '09
12. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2:54.60 '07
13. Lexus LFA 2:55.10 '10
14. Nissan GT-R 2:55.60 '08
15. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:55.90 '10
The 'Vette is up there with some rather expensive cars that are using more "fancy" technology than the 'Vette. Leaf springs? Seems to work well enough. Push rods engine? Yeah, everybody and their mother are swapping LS engines into their cars because they're crap
Seriously, given the performance of a Corvette, given its price point - what more can you ask? You can barely get a used 997 GT3 RS for the price of a new C7, including a Z51 package.
Again, the tech in the 'Vette works. And it works well enough to compete well above where there 'Vette should be, price wise. I'd rather have that and some "archaic" technology than some fancy stuff thrown at the car, only to compete with a Porsche Boxter or cost twice as much as it does. And that's coming from someone who usually fancies BMW and Porsche.
Well, too darn bad! I mean, who cares? Here, a list of lap times for the Virginia International Raceway I've come across:
5. Ferrari 458 Italia 2:49.90 '09
4. Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z51 2:51.70 14'
6. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 '10
7. KTM X-Bow 2:52.30 '08
8. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 2:52.38 '12
9. Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 '11
10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 2:53.50 '11
11. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 2:53.90 '09
12. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2:54.60 '07
13. Lexus LFA 2:55.10 '10
14. Nissan GT-R 2:55.60 '08
15. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:55.90 '10
The 'Vette is up there with some rather expensive cars that are using more "fancy" technology than the 'Vette. Leaf springs? Seems to work well enough. Push rods engine? Yeah, everybody and their mother are swapping LS engines into their cars because they're crap
Seriously, given the performance of a Corvette, given its price point - what more can you ask? You can barely get a used 997 GT3 RS for the price of a new C7, including a Z51 package.Again, the tech in the 'Vette works. And it works well enough to compete well above where there 'Vette should be, price wise. I'd rather have that and some "archaic" technology than some fancy stuff thrown at the car, only to compete with a Porsche Boxter or cost twice as much as it does. And that's coming from someone who usually fancies BMW and Porsche.
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