COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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x3ra
So how does this make sense of wearing masks in shops, but not offices? Surely it should be the other way round?
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How does it make sense that your original question was centered around 2 italicized sections that would equate to neither scenario requiring masks, but now that you've seen the editorial explanation, you're questioning that their decision may be backwards?
 
MatskiMonk
What if it's a 5 figure income?
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80-90k a year is still quite manageable for a family if they don't over do it.

Granted, you will not see a brand new vehicle in my driveway. The newest is 2006. I make sure my vehicles are maintained.

We do not have any credit cards. So no credit card bills.

We do not go out and buy new furniture every other year. Had the same stuff for almost 6 years now.

The only thing I have a payment for other than utilities is the house payment.

The secret is living within your means.
 
Touring Mars
Unfortunately, there is no quick fix. There may not be a fix at all. That may be a reason to feel depressed, worried etc., but I am making a conscious effort to counteract those (natural and perfectly understandable) reactions with a more pragmatic approach... there are definitely things we can do, both individually and collectively, to minimize (but alas not eradicate) the impacts that both the virus and the effects of lockdown might have.
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I think the biggest thing you can do is to step away from the news, as well as get off social media. I've really tried to switch my focus over the past month or so to looking more at academic sources and not relying on the media. When I do turn the media, I try to use places like the Associated Press or Reuters since they tend to be more neutral in their reporting. It doesn't always work, but I find that by limiting my time glued to the news, the better I feel. Also, I find reading academic research helps because it shows that we really are making progress.

Honestly, getting off Facebook has done wonders for my mental health too. I miss looking at photos, but that's about it. Past that, I don't miss Karen McManagerKiller and Richard Head talking about how COVID is a liberal hoax and how Trump is literally the orange Jesus Christ. It still worries me that those people are out there, but it's not like I can stop them so it's just easier to ignore the entire platform.
 
Joey D
Honestly, getting off Facebook has done wonders for my mental health too. I miss looking at photos, but that's about it. Past that, I don't miss Karen McManagerKiller and Richard Head talking about how COVID is a liberal hoax and how Trump is literally the orange Jesus Christ. It still worries me that those people are out there, but it's not like I can stop them so it's just easier to ignore the entire platform.
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Yeah I did that oddly enough about 4 years ago. Except for very immediate family I unfriended everyone that I went to school with, casual friends, etc. which only left me with about maybe 6 or 7 total people that can contact me on there. Also there is a political filter that Chrome has for Facebook that when it's turned on the political stuff from both sides isn't shown. But I've never been that big into Facebook anyway as I simply don't care about the stuff that people were posting on there anyway so I'm not missing anything at all.
 
MatskiMonk
What if it's $56k a year? Or $44k?
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I would find it very difficult to make ends meet at 56k annual income for my family of 5. If I was single, or just my wife and I, I think it would be manageable. I would put my limit at 75k a year for my family of 5. We would have to down size on the house though.
 
WFO Krypto
I would find it very difficult to make ends meet at 56k annual income for my family of 5. If I was single, or just my wife and I, I think it would be manageable. I would put my limit at 75k a year for my family of 5. We would have to down size on the house though.
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Well why'd you go and have five kids?
 
WFO Krypto
I would find it very difficult to make ends meet at 56k annual income for my family of 5. If I was single, or just my wife and I, I think it would be manageable. I would put my limit at 75k a year for my family of 5. We would have to down size on the house though.
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Fair enough.
 
x3ra
Yes it does say that, and no I don't know the difference between self-contamination and infection. Please enlighten me.
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One is talking about your chances of contaminating yourself, and the other is talking about you getting infected at all. Wearing a mask can simultaneously increase your chances of contaminating yourself and lower you chances of being infected at all.

If your chances of infecting yourself are low, a big proportional increase in those chances could still do nil to your overall risk of getting infected. Meanwhile, wearing a mask cuts your chances of getting infected by someone else by a lot. Meaning that your overall risk is going down, even if your risk of getting infected by a specific means is going up.

So how do I know that we appear to be in that scenario? Because studies that analyze the chance of infection (not the chance of self-contamination), infection being the thing that actually matters here, find that masks reduce your chances of infection a lot.
 
There's no way this will be manipulated. Nope, not manipulated in the slightest. It'll be perfectly reported in every way and be 100% transparent and not politicized in any way.

Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data

I'd put a ten spot down that our number mysteriously start dropping. Also, I'll put another ten spot down that this data is stolen before the end of the year because I'm going to guess that Trump and his goons have no idea what HIPAA is.
 
Joey D
There's no way this will be manipulated. Nope, not manipulated in the slightest. It'll be perfectly reported in every way and be 100% transparent and not politicized in any way.

Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data

I'd put a ten spot down that our number mysteriously start dropping. Also, I'll put another ten spot down that this data is stolen before the end of the year because I'm going to guess that Trump and his goons have no idea what HIPAA is.
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I did read someone posting on Reddit that kind of gave some hope beyond this. They gave background that they're a person responsible for sending C.D.C. the numbers for their location, noting that it's not possible to do as originally done as the current system is being done away with it.

They shared that local news media usually tends to have insiders & pry on knowing their local numbers. In addition, they said most hospitals still release their numbers on their individual outlets which are then combed through by places like John Hopkins to get a national number. They concluded therefore, it's not going to be as easy as it seems for the Administration to lie as what they report could easily be way off what the data shared from news, hospitals, and central sources are reporting.
 
I understand the virus does not do as well in hot and humid conditions. So why not turn up the thermostats and install humidifiers?
 
Dotini
I understand the virus does not do as well in hot and humid conditions. So why not turn up the thermostats and install humidifiers?
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This is not the case and there is no evidence to prove your claim. In fact, part of the problem is that it's not slowing down in the heat and shows no signs of stopping.
 
DesertPenguin
This is not the case and there is no evidence to prove your claim. In fact, part of the problem is that it's not slowing down in the heat and shows no signs of stopping.
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I've ordered a humidifier. I'm also sipping Black Elderberry syrup to help keep my throat healthy.
 
Joey D
Have you ever been to Florida? It's nothing but hot and humid.
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No, I've not been to Florida. But I have been seeing several recent research articles and other reports which suggest low temperature and low humidity is favorable to the virus. The health of mucous membranes is also something I'm learning more about.

I'm starting to get the feeling that we are in for a long term (multi-year or longer) battle/war with this pandemic. I'm trying to assess the battlefield, my own health prospects, and seeing what I can do to put the odds more in my favor. I'm a firm believer in masks and social distancing, and practice both with strong discipline. However, like many, I'm feeling the oppression of sheltering in place since late February. In accordance with local regulations, my fencing salon is now organizing small classes of 4 with facial masks and other measures in place, to start later in this month. I'm pleased to to be signing up for Spanish rapier lessons. Not exactly a vital social function, but it makes me happy.
 
Dotini
No, I've not been to Florida. But I have been seeing several recent research articles and other reports which suggest low temperature and low humidity is favorable to the virus. The health of mucous membranes is also something I'm learning more about.
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There are numerous studies, but the results are all over the board. I don't think we know how the weather plays into COVID and the transmission of the virus. Some studies suggest hotter weather pushes people inside, where they can infect others easier. Some studies say that temperature and transmission don't correlate, while others say they do.

I think based on where the hot spots of COVID are in the US right now (California, Texas, and Florida) we have a pretty good indication that warmer weather doesn't slow the transmission of COVID. As for the reasons behind it, that would require more research.
 
Joey D
There are numerous studies, but the results are all over the board. I don't think we know how the weather plays into COVID and the transmission of the virus. Some studies suggest hotter weather pushes people inside, where they can infect others easier. Some studies say that temperature and transmission don't correlate, while others say they do.

I think based on where the hot spots of COVID are in the US right now (California, Texas, and Florida) we have a pretty good indication that warmer weather doesn't slow the transmission of COVID. As for the reasons behind it, that would require more research.
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And mix in Arizona and you have a pretty clear example of both low and high humidity environments spreading it just fine in the heat.
 
McLaren
How does it make sense that your original question was centered around 2 italicized sections that would equate to neither scenario requiring masks, but now that you've seen the editorial explanation, you're questioning that their decision may be backwards?
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Their decision is backwards, and I still don't believe face masks do any good.

Having said that my Avatar wears a mask!!!!!

T-cells that fight the virus may last 17 years.
 
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x3ra
How are you so certain that you are correct?

Are you oppressing me because I'm a minority? :lol:
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How are you so certain you are correct? Would you rather do nothing and then complain that the government/leadership let too many people die?
 
Dotini
I understand the virus does not do as well in hot and humid conditions. So why not turn up the thermostats and install humidifiers?
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2 million Brazilians say otherwise. Also, the use of A/C is an effective way of spreading the virus around buildings, especially as that circulated air is chilled, just like Covid-19 likes it - and people who live in hot climates love a bit of A/C.
 
x3ra
How are you so certain that you are correct?

Are you oppressing me because I'm a minority? :lol:
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There's literally mountains of research that show masks work and virtually nothing outside a bunch Facebook idiots that suggest masks don't work.

Even the CDC just released something stating you should be wearing a mask:
CDC calls on Americans to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 spread

If you need more, here's a list of 70 academic papers and articles that talk about why masks work:

https://threader.app/thread/1279144399897866248
 

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