COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Biggles
It all seems a bit hopeless. Given that the vast majority of people are asymptomatic, but still capable of spreading the virus, testing people with symptoms is not a panacea. Has it been established that asymptotic individuals are less virusey & therefore less likely to spread it? For myself, physical distancing is not a problem in my day-today life, although it has meant I have been unable to operate my business properly, which will resulted in a 70% reduction in my income for the year. Obviously, there are many people in a similar situation ... although there are many more who are not (yourself, presumably). It's easy to see how Covid has had a very uneven impact, barely effecting many people, but devastating, both health-wise & financially for some, especially low income, urban, service sector workers.
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It appears that the viral load in asymptomatic people is around the same as symptomatic people according to one paper that looked at South Korea. I'm not sure we've conclusively figured out why some people are symptomatic while others aren't. There's been a ton of theories thrown around, including the presence of Neanderthal DNA.

And you are absolutely correct, COVID has been significantly worse for those in the low-income bracket. Here in Salt Lake, we've seen a higher degree of infection among Hispanics and Native Americans, both of whom skew towards the lower-income bracket. There are probably several reasons this is the case, but the workplace is probably a major contributing factor. Also, the reliance on public transportation has been thrown around as another major factor as well. Access to healthcare services is a bit puzzling though. While I can certainly see the Hispanic population not having adequate access to healthcare whether due to a language barrier, lack of insurance, or just the worry about their immigration status, Native Americans have really good access and it's almost always free. I know where I work has several clinics to serve the Native population and they do a ton of outreach as well to make sure they have the services they need. Despite this, San Juan County, which has the highest Navajo population in Utah also has the highest per capita COVID rate.
 
Joey D
It appears that the viral load in asymptomatic people is around the same as symptomatic people according to one paper that looked at South Korea. I'm not sure we've conclusively figured out why some people are symptomatic while others aren't. There's been a ton of theories thrown around, including the presence of Neanderthal DNA.

And you are absolutely correct, COVID has been significantly worse for those in the low-income bracket. Here in Salt Lake, we've seen a higher degree of infection among Hispanics and Native Americans, both of whom skew towards the lower-income bracket. There are probably several reasons this is the case, but the workplace is probably a major contributing factor. Also, the reliance on public transportation has been thrown around as another major factor as well. Access to healthcare services is a bit puzzling though. While I can certainly see the Hispanic population not having adequate access to healthcare whether due to a language barrier, lack of insurance, or just the worry about their immigration status, Native Americans have really good access and it's almost always free. I know where I work has several clinics to serve the Native population and they do a ton of outreach as well to make sure they have the services they need. Despite this, San Juan County, which has the highest Navajo population in Utah also has the highest per capita COVID rate.
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I think Trump & his supporters have been clinging to the idea that there is a simple, "can-do" solution to the virus. It will fade away with warmer weather, it will disappear over time, there will be a prophylactic treatment like hydroxychloroquine, there will be a quickly developed, highly effective, widely available vaccine. It's the equivalent of the gastro-intestinal bypass surgery approach to obesity. No real effort required. No change in behaviour.

“The entire pandemic has been about magic bullets,” says Ashish K. Jha, dean of the Brown School of Public Health.

Instead, dealing with Covid requires a range of less dramatic measures that chip away at the spread & lethality of the virus.
 
I've been spending my spare time wisely

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To be serious for a minute though, I know he does a lot of posturing and loves to big himself up but he must be scared at the minute even with the best medical care. He's not exactly the picture of health and it's easy to forget how old he is. I'm not going to be one of those people who calls for terrible things but I can understand why people might be calling out out of frustration.
 
ryzno
Citation required and not another tweet...
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This is the fetal stem cell experimentation Eugene Gu's company was doing and that Republicans subpoenaed him for:
https://www.livescience.com/49503-human-kidneys-grown-in-rats.html

This is the fetal stem cell experimentation Trump's saviours Regeneron are doing:
https://www.regeneron.com/sites/default/files/Regeneron-Position-Stem-Cell-Research.pdf

I guess they could have happened totally in parallel but that's not really how science works.
 
Trump suffering from COVID-19 is nothing short of a publicity stunt.

There, I said it.

My girlfriend's family is suffering from COVID-19, and there is no possible way you are taken to hospital on a Friday, only to be released healthy 3 days later. My girlfriend's brother brought it home from school, he was sick for a week, of which three days with a heavy fever. My girlfriend has been laying in her bed for a week, and she lost her sense of smell for two weeks. After three weeks now, she still isn't 100% fit. Her mother has had a fever for 14 (!) days, before finally being able to stand up and leave her bed without losing all of her energy. She still isn't fit to work, and she still needs to take medication.

It's obvious Trump has cocked up his campaign by grossly underestimating the COVID-19 virus and its death rate. And I find it extremely offensive and disrespectful that he's playing his cards out in this way to regain some sympathy and pride from his nation. Meanwhile near a quarter of a million Americans have lost their lives to this virus since March, and a lot of families have had to deal with these losses.

I'm going to get a lot of flack thrown at me for posting this, but I just cannot understand how this nation and people internationally for that matter are so blind to this obvious theatrical drama...
 
I also highly doubt he is faking it... ironically, believing that Trump is faking it would buy in to his own warped logic - the virus is very real and very infectious, and it stands to reason (something that Trump is not renowed for) that those who ignore scientific and medical advice regarding how it spreads are likely to get infected sooner or later. That doesn't mean, of course, that he isn't faking it... but, it is still early days in the whole story.

There could yet be the world's biggest slice of humble pie awaiting...
 
Bram Turismo
Trump suffering from COVID-19 is nothing short of a publicity stunt.

There, I said it.

My girlfriend's family is suffering from COVID-19, and there is no possible way you are taken to hospital on a Friday, only to be released healthy 3 days later. My girlfriend's brother brought it home from school, he was sick for a week, of which three days with a heavy fever. My girlfriend has been laying in her bed for a week, and she lost her sense of smell for two weeks. After three weeks now, she still isn't 100% fit. Her mother has had a fever for 14 (!) days, before finally being able to stand up and leave her bed without losing all of her energy. She still isn't fit to work, and she still needs to take medication.

It's obvious Trump has cocked up his campaign by grossly underestimating the COVID-19 virus and its death rate. And I find it extremely offensive and disrespectful that he's playing his cards out in this way to regain some sympathy and pride from his nation. Meanwhile near a quarter of a million Americans have lost their lives to this virus since March, and a lot of families have had to deal with these losses.

I'm going to get a lot of flack thrown at me for posting this, but I just cannot understand how this nation and people internationally for that matter are so blind to this obvious theatrical drama...
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I understand the angle you are playing here, but it would look so much worse for him if that were true.
 
The footage of him gasping for breath outside the white house makes me think it's legit that he has the virus. Knowing Trump, I don't think he would want to project that image under any circumstance - because it makes him look very weak. Like I felt pity for the guy for the first time ever when I saw those shots.
 
As I may have said elsewhere, in order for the concept that the Trump Administration has faked his COVID diagnosis you'd need the following two things to be true:
* Donald Trump is capable of a single, consistent lie without spaffing it out of his giant, idiotic lip chasm.
* Donald Trump is a sufficiently capable actor to carry off the role of a man who has had a respiratory infection and finds it painful to breathe but pretends that he doesn't.

And neither of those two things are true. The only lie he's ever managed to consistently tell without contradicting himself shortly afterwards with another lie is that he's a successful billionaire genius businessman, and, meshing neatly with Mary Trump's biography, that's because he's been lying to himself about that for 70 years.

He certainly couldn't come up with this plan and not blurt it out in under 45 minutes.
 
The Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has just announced new restrictions...

In most areas, all pubs and restaurants will close for all but takeaway customers for 16 days from Friday.

In some (low virus) areas, pubs and restaurants are allowed to stay open, but are not allowed to serve alcohol indoors - they will, however, be allowed to continue serving alcohol outdoors.
 
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I have no idea idea if this is accurate or not but for the time being I'm inclined to believe it. That doesn't mean I like it, but if it's true, we knew it would be coming anyway.

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TB
Disclaimer

I have no idea idea if this is accurate or not but for the time being I'm inclined to believe it. That doesn't mean I like it, but if it's true, we knew it would be coming anyway.

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Where is home though? Are we sending him to Florida?
 
I think most of that was being said whilst Trump was still at Walter Reed, so sending him home meant back to the White House.
 
Bram Turismo
Trump suffering from COVID-19 is nothing short of a publicity stunt.

There, I said it.

My girlfriend's family is suffering from COVID-19, and there is no possible way you are taken to hospital on a Friday, only to be released healthy 3 days later. My girlfriend's brother brought it home from school, he was sick for a week, of which three days with a heavy fever. My girlfriend has been laying in her bed for a week, and she lost her sense of smell for two weeks. After three weeks now, she still isn't 100% fit. Her mother has had a fever for 14 (!) days, before finally being able to stand up and leave her bed without losing all of her energy. She still isn't fit to work, and she still needs to take medication.

It's obvious Trump has cocked up his campaign by grossly underestimating the COVID-19 virus and its death rate. And I find it extremely offensive and disrespectful that he's playing his cards out in this way to regain some sympathy and pride from his nation. Meanwhile near a quarter of a million Americans have lost their lives to this virus since March, and a lot of families have had to deal with these losses.

I'm going to get a lot of flack thrown at me for posting this, but I just cannot understand how this nation and people internationally for that matter are so blind to this obvious theatrical drama...
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I just saw my next door neighbour on the BBC News at Ten...

He's a bar manager in Glasgow and they were doing a bit on Scotland's pub shut down. He used to manage a bar near my/his flat but it has closed thanks to the pandemic, but he is now working at their main bar near the University. Sadly, all of these businesses are really struggling, and this will come as a serious blow to them.

The point has been made that many/most bars are bending over backwards to adhere to the law/rules/common sense, and my neighbour's bar is definitely one of them. They also have a huge outdoor area where people can eat and drink, but because they are in Glasgow city centre, they are forced to close for 16 days. I don't think it will put them out of business just yet, but jobs could well be on the line.

It reminds me that not only is the virus itself getting a bit close for comfort, but the economic impact is also getting a bit close for comfort too.
 

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