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The ones looking for the triggered are always the first to get triggered.
Surely you see this by now, the world isn't Antifa.
COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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Surely you see this by now, the world isn't Antifa.
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I think people will be much more hurt by restrictions and financial collapse that will follow after this than by severity of this virus and potential deaths from it. Not to mention people will die in bigger numbers from other health issues because most of the focus is on virus. IMO this is just ridiculous.
Danoff
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My parents...
My mom is over 70 years old, and has serious medical condition, and is still working. She is not isolating herself. My dad is older still, has other medical issues, and is fine with it. How did we get here?
My parents have lived a very selfish and short-sighted life. They spent everything they had (dual income, my dad made 6 figures) the moment they had it (and before). They amassed debt, and kept spending. Then, when my dad felt it was the appropriate time for him to be due a retirement, he retired. The numbers of course did not add up, but this is not what concerned him. What concerned him was that he had worked long enough, and made enough money, that it was appropriate that he retire. My mom was then left in a position of either retiring, and letting reality set in, or work until she dies. She chose the latter.
My dad is not the type to be "scared away" by a silly virus. He will go shopping in public, for whatever he wants, no with mask or precautions. I'm not even sure he would wash his hands afterwards. He's not afraid to die, and he's not going to act like he is. Similarly, my mom has actually told me that if she can't work any more, I should put her out of her misery (a truly absurd suggestion). If I were to confront her with the notion that she should stay home to avoid getting coronavirus, I know what she would say. She would say that she's old, she's lived a good life, and she's not going to hide for the rest of it. She needs to work, so she's going to.
These are my parents. People who have put themselves into a position of needing to work, and who feel that they are due, and who are not afraid to die and will not change for the sake of avoiding getting a hoax flu (yea, they're trumpers).
These are the people I am protecting by trying to double my daily output. Now I am a teacher to my 3 children, and also work full time, and order my groceries delivered to my door. These people don't want to be protected, they don't want to lift a finger to protect themselves. It is a badge of honor that they risk catching COVID-19 by doing what they feel like and what is convenient, which is what they've done their entire lives. They look down on social distancing, they look down on wearing gloves in public, or a mask. You're weak. They're strong, and they'll take it to their graves.
They do not care if they overrun hospitals all at the same time. Hospital care is what they are due.
My mom is over 70 years old, and has serious medical condition, and is still working. She is not isolating herself. My dad is older still, has other medical issues, and is fine with it. How did we get here?
My parents have lived a very selfish and short-sighted life. They spent everything they had (dual income, my dad made 6 figures) the moment they had it (and before). They amassed debt, and kept spending. Then, when my dad felt it was the appropriate time for him to be due a retirement, he retired. The numbers of course did not add up, but this is not what concerned him. What concerned him was that he had worked long enough, and made enough money, that it was appropriate that he retire. My mom was then left in a position of either retiring, and letting reality set in, or work until she dies. She chose the latter.
My dad is not the type to be "scared away" by a silly virus. He will go shopping in public, for whatever he wants, no with mask or precautions. I'm not even sure he would wash his hands afterwards. He's not afraid to die, and he's not going to act like he is. Similarly, my mom has actually told me that if she can't work any more, I should put her out of her misery (a truly absurd suggestion). If I were to confront her with the notion that she should stay home to avoid getting coronavirus, I know what she would say. She would say that she's old, she's lived a good life, and she's not going to hide for the rest of it. She needs to work, so she's going to.
These are my parents. People who have put themselves into a position of needing to work, and who feel that they are due, and who are not afraid to die and will not change for the sake of avoiding getting a hoax flu (yea, they're trumpers).
These are the people I am protecting by trying to double my daily output. Now I am a teacher to my 3 children, and also work full time, and order my groceries delivered to my door. These people don't want to be protected, they don't want to lift a finger to protect themselves. It is a badge of honor that they risk catching COVID-19 by doing what they feel like and what is convenient, which is what they've done their entire lives. They look down on social distancing, they look down on wearing gloves in public, or a mask. You're weak. They're strong, and they'll take it to their graves.
They do not care if they overrun hospitals all at the same time. Hospital care is what they are due.
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Probably because Russia closed the Chinese border in January and performed other "undemocratic" measures before **** hit the fan like in Europe? Nah, that can't be...
So you read "A" but didn't read "B" and yet pretend you know the situation. Please, try reading the news beyond the headline, then you might have some understanding of the subject. Spoiler: we still elect the president every 6 years like before.
The info comes from the "Doctors Alliance" (an organization allied with Navalny and caught on fake news earlier) headed by Anastasia Vasilyeva, an ophtalmologist who pretends to be a poor doctor with $312 per month salary but owns some nice $625,000 estate. Yes, totally unbiased and trustworthy source.
I'll keep an eye on other non-state sources, it's not like we must only blindly take the official data, but should also be careful about the unconfirmed information as there surely will be a lot of fake news and rumormongering on the social media. Apart from washing hands, it's also important to maintain informational hygiene.
So, no need to feel bad for us, we'll decide for ourselves who to trust and who to vote for. Better take care about your own country first...
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lol
Dotini
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It is, and it would be sad if partisan polemics and a spirit of disunity took over this thread which supposedly has loftier matters to deal with.
Curiously, the pandemic has actually seemed to strengthen Trump's poll numbers. NPR reported 52% approval on overnight radio just hours ago.
That said, IMHO it would be good to have mods or ideally us ourselves drop the conflict and personal digs we so excel and delight in order to keep baldgye's now-pinned thread at the befitting level of respect.
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Yup, I'm so deranged by my hatred for Trump I've even been seen defending him at certain times.
In order for Trump (or any president) to run for a third term they would need to change the constitution by getting two-thirds of both the house and senate to support changing the 12th amendment. Granted he certainly does have a penchant for ignoring the constitution (as is tradition), but that particular bit is pretty black & white.
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*gasp*
I'm shocked--shocked, I tell you--that a Trumpkin got triggered by that. So...is your nose brown or is it orange?
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So my grandfather's funeral is still taking place on Monday, however now the only people in attendance with be my grandmother and my eldest uncle who flew here from Brisbane two weeks ago and has been staying with her. It's unfortunate that my mum and other uncles and aunts can't be there, but they were all present at his deathbed, and the crematorium will be live-streaming the service, which allows all of us to watch from home, and has the added benefit of allowing my Australian relatives to watch as well.
The internet and social media have been a true godsend in all of this.
The internet and social media have been a true godsend in all of this.
McLaren
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Notification at work is we’re going to continue working as normal with full staff. 1 dealer has closed in the area due to a worker testing positive and our main competition is going to skeleton shifts; 2 days on, 2 days off, half staff crews working, with pay compensation.
Our staff is not particularly pleased....
Our staff is not particularly pleased....
Joey D
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Russia borders more than just China though and it has an extensive trade and transport network across Asia and Europe. I'm sorry, I don't believe there are so few cases in the country. Iceland has huge natural borders and still has more cases despite having a fraction of the population. You're either being lied to or Russia just isn't testing anyone to keep the numbers low. We did that initially in the US, it didn't work out so well.
As for the rest of your post. I feel bad for the Russian people because I think your government is lying to you and I don't think you have the ability to change it. If you want to further discuss it, it's probably best to take it to another thread.
Nope, they will still have an election. Unless they can overturn the Presidential Election Day Act, it will be the "the Tuesday next after the first Monday in the month of November of the year in which they are to be appointed." Really the only leeway they have is to hold the election before January 20th at noon. To change that would require an amendment to the Constitution that just isn't going to happen.
The most likely thing to happen will be early voting and voting by mail, something many states already do. In Utah, every registered voter gets a ballot through the mail that they can either mail back or drop off at a city hall. It works great and alleviates people having to stand it line to vote.
zzz_pt
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Today went to work and saw tones of people jigging, running, cycling, talking, seating by the lake, taking photographs, lots of people in convertibles and fancy morotcycle, etc. Everything was close so people went outside to, I imagine, enjoy one of the last Saturdays with sunny weather before things get worse.
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Ok, so, let me play my general contrarian role here that I love so much. I dont fully buy this guys gib. There are a couple of issues here.
First:
The US has the highest GDP of any nation. And yet, doesnt even rank in the top ten for life expectancy. In fact, it's beat out by nearly every western European country, Canada and Australia (huh... all countries with universal healthcare coverage as well. Dont think it's a coincidence either).
The US barely ranks higher than Russia, China, and Mexico.
I think if there is a contributing economic factor to be had, its not GDP level, its how the money is handled. Evidenced by how much higher and how many more western European countries rank over the US. Just a small tithing from the defense budget added to an adjusted welfare program would likely add years, if not a decade too our national life expectancy rate. Naah, who needs that though, we have stoic individualism and all the choice and freedom a bald eagle can carry amiright!
But, I also challenge that notion for another reason. A pandemic virus or bacteria really doesnt give a rat's ass about life expectancies. Look at Italy. Higher LE rate than the US, than China! Yet they surpass China in deaths. Now, there is something to be said about GPD for sure. As, you would expect a country with a high GDP to be shoveling some of that cash into tech R&D and science programs and STEM (or STEAM i suppose, though I am not sure art is applicable here and now). But... again... Mericka!
TLDR... I think GDP is less important here than how a nation invests its various revenue streams.
Danoff
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Ok, so, let me play my general contrarian role here that I love so much. I dont fully buy this guys gib. There are a couple of issues here.
First:
The US has the highest GDP of any nation. And yet, doesnt even rank in the top ten for life expectancy. In fact, it's beat out by nearly every western European country, Canada and Australia (huh... all countries with universal healthcare coverage as well. Dont think it's a coincidence either).
The US barely ranks higher than Russia, China, and Mexico.
I think if there is a contributing economic factor to be had, its not GDP level, its how the money is handled. Evidenced by how much higher and how many more western European countries rank over the US. Just a small tithing from the defense budget added to an adjusted welfare program would likely add years, if not a decade too our national life expectancy rate. Naah, who needs that though, we have stoic individualism and all the choice and freedom a bald eagle can carry amiright!
But, I also challenge that notion for another reason. A pandemic virus or bacteria really doesnt give a rat's ass about life expectancies. Look at Italy. Higher LE rate than the US, than China! Yet they surpass China in deaths. Now, there is something to be said about GPD for sure. As, you would expect a country with a high GDP to be shoveling some of that cash into tech R&D and science programs and STEM (or STEAM i suppose, though I am not sure art is applicable here and now). But... again... Mericka!
TLDR... I think GDP is less important here than how a nation invests its various revenue streams.
You're trying to put a little too fine a point on it I think. He's speaking broadly. A broad economic downturn across the globe will result in many more deaths (he suggests) than COVID would produce on its own. And I think that's almost inescapably true, the question is how much downturn results in how many deaths.
Dotini
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IMHO, there are two very realistic ways in which the virus does not spread to everyone.
1) Some people can be lucky, isolated or shelter in place until the time has come that large numbers (well over half, depending on R0) of the population have become infected and recovered. Then those who were never infected can reenter the population with a greatly reduced chance of becoming infected. This I believe is what is called herd immunity.
2) Some people can be isolated until a vaccine is developed, distributed and in use.
Another possibility is that the virus mutates or becomes for whatever reason less virulent, infectious or contageous over time.
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Some people deserve to get sick. ****ing assholes.
If I tell you 5 times to keep your distance from me because my dad has lung cancer and I try to minimise all contact as much as is logically possible without going into shelter mode, don't act surprised if by the 6th time I scold you into next week and tell you to **** off.
I was ready to punch the asshole.
If I tell you 5 times to keep your distance from me because my dad has lung cancer and I try to minimise all contact as much as is logically possible without going into shelter mode, don't act surprised if by the 6th time I scold you into next week and tell you to **** off.
I was ready to punch the asshole.
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Well, if you listen to health experts, damned if you dont, and if you listen to economists, damned if you do. I am guessing only hindsight really knows. We've seen in China (if they are to be believed) amd S. Korea how one method is playing out, and in Italy and Spain, we see how the other methodology is playing out.
He says "global economy collapse" not "broad economic downturn". He's using those graphs as a warning not to completely ignore the economy. They don't forecast anything. He makes no suggestion that the current measures are too far or not far enough. At least twice he acknowledges that he doesn't know the best course of action.
Jawehawk
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That's not strictly speaking true though. Thus far, various countries have taken either one extreme course or another (ignoring the virus or locking most or everything down). None have tried the middle ground where we isolate the ones who are at risk, while setting up the necessary infrastructure to maintain their isolation until people have gained immunity or some other solution presents itself. In this scenario, life would not stop for the majority of people, and by extension, the economy would not suffer as much. Danoff, as far as I can tell, as well as myself, are not arguing in favor of ignoring the virus. Rather, we're arguing for that middle road that won't upend everyone's lives.
The reasons of any individual for favoring whatever approach they do of cause differs, but the notions that there is no middle road to be had, and that the people who complain about having to give up their lives are somehow lacking in the moral compartment, as if their concerns meant nothing, is frustrating me to no end. (I'm not saying that you hold this position, but clearly some in this thread do)
McLaren
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I believe the end goal is despite the fact everyone will likely get it at some point, they don’t want everyone catching it at once and over-taxing the health care.
I’ve seen some medical experts suggest even if you think you have it, avoid hospital visits unless your symptoms get really bad. Some have suggested going to Urgent Cares first in the chance you may actually end up contracting it if you go to a hospital where infected patients may be present.
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