CSL update - blue mode

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fastone371
I agree with Mr. Mirror Man on the in game Force Feedback settings. I set the in game at 3, my CSL Elite settings are pretty much exactly the same as Mr. Mirror Man's, if I put in game setting at 5, 6, or 7 the steering requires far too much effort to turn, I cant imagine anyone would want it that high. I use the in game FFB like the "rough" setting and the Fanatec settings to "fine tune" the feel, mainly "For", and "FFB" as it appears on the wheel rim itself when making adjustments. FEI I keep off or at zero, I forget what the minimum is. I also adjust "Sens" to my liking per car which is how much wheel rotation is required. If you dont want to change the default on the wheel just select a different user setting, I think you have 5, default should be #1, its the first adjustment when you press the wrench button, it will say S 1 on your wheel rim. Pick 2, 3, 4, or 5 and start messing around with settings until you find the feel you are looking for.
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You should raise FEI... truly... (at least 30.. to 50??) that rattling is helpful!!! When entering a curve, it will tell you when you´ve got the wheel on the right spot (orientation) to apply full throttle again... and the car wont let you down!! (this is a secret.. about this wheel on GTS... that only some know..) .. it also tells you that you´re turning the wheel to much...

Also raise the FFB Sensibility (on GTS setting) to values from 8 to.. 10 (I use 10!!!)
 
Mirror_man
You should raise FEI... truly... (at least 30.. to 50??) that rattling is helpful!!! When entering a curve, it will tell you when you´ve got the wheel on the right spot (orientation) to apply full throttle again... and the car wont let you down!! (this is a secret.. about this wheel on GTS... that only some know..) .. it also tells you that you´re turning the wheel to much...

Also raise the FFB Sensibility (on GTS setting) to values from 8 to.. 10 (I use 10!!!)
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Do you mean FFB Sensitivity?? I think I have that at 6
As far as FEI my wheel still hammers with FEI off just not as violently but I will try your numbers to see how it feels, thank you for the info. anything that might help me find some speed would be great. I can usually only get within 3 seconds of top of the leader board, I have a feeling it will take a long time to find those 3 seconds. I wish you could load leader board times as a ghost, that would help tremendously. I dont race Mount Panorama often but I was real slow there, I went back to circuit experience so I could keep doing certain sections over and over, that helped a lot even though I could not choose which car to drive. I dont need to find speed on the straights, I think I can push the gas pedal all the way down with my foot. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
fastone371
Do you mean FFB Sensitivity?? I think I have that at 6
As far as FEI my wheel still hammers with FEI off just not as violently but I will try your numbers to see how it feels, thank you for the info. anything that might help me find some speed would be great. I can usually only get within 3 seconds of top of the leader board, I have a feeling it will take a long time to find those 3 seconds. I wish you could load leader board times as a ghost, that would help tremendously. I dont race Mount Panorama often but I was real slow there, I went back to circuit experience so I could keep doing certain sections over and over, that helped a lot even though I could not choose which car to drive. I dont need to find speed on the straights, I think I can push the gas pedal all the way down with my foot. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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Yes.. FFB Sensitivity.. no doubt... 8 to 10...

FEI: put some numbers on it... 10 is weak... I´d choose 30 or more... you need that added "twist" on the wheel ... believe me... I´m telling you!! You need it to know if your approach to the curve is correct or not and when you´ve reached the point where you may slam the accelerator all the way...

I´ve another different approach that I´m refining now... and that is playing with GTS FFB Torque and with FAnatec FORCE values!!! Both items act on the force you need to use for turning the wheel but... the 1st (GTS FFB Torque) has got more then one rabbit in the sack... Both turning torque on the wheel and the intensity/reaction of the wheel to FFB effects are gathered here under one only value... and what we want is more FFB feeling and effects then just needing to feel some resistance when turning the wheel... so.. I´m trying something like lower values on FORCE and much higher values on FFB Torque (GTS) and I think it´s helping to get more overall FFB Feeling and still having enough turn torque, and less "mixed feelings" ... still haven´t optimized this.. but something like FFB Torque (GTS) from 7 to 8 and FORCE from 20 to 40... gave me "better feelings".. Get it???

Together with this final (almost) tuning... I´ll try later if raising the FEI value helps... reforcing FFB Feelings, but not the one that involves that vibration nobody is liking at alll...
 
Mirror_man
Yes.. FFB Sensitivity.. no doubt... 8 to 10...

FEI: put some numbers on it... 10 is weak... I´d choose 30 or more... you need that added "twist" on the wheel ... believe me... I´m telling you!! You need it to know if your approach to the curve is correct or not and when you´ve reached the point where you may slam the accelerator all the way...

I´ve another different approach that I´m refining now... and that is playing with GTS FFB Torque and with FAnatec FORCE values!!! Both items act on the force you need to use for turning the wheel but... the 1st (GTS FFB Torque) has got more then one rabbit in the sack... Both turning torque on the wheel and the intensity/reaction of the wheel to FFB effects are gathered here under one only value... and what we want is more FFB feeling and effects then just needing to feel some resistance when turning the wheel... so.. I´m trying something like lower values on FORCE and much higher values on FFB Torque (GTS) and I think it´s helping to get more overall FFB Feeling and still having enough turn torque, and less "mixed feelings" ... still haven´t optimized this.. but something like FFB Torque (GTS) from 7 to 8 and FORCE from 20 to 40... gave me "better feelings".. Get it???

Together with this final (almost) tuning... I´ll try later if raising the FEI value helps... reforcing FFB Feelings, but not the one that involves that vibration nobody is liking at alll...
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Thank you, will try your recommendations. Do you like a lot of turning effort on your wheel? I do not generally like mine too high, I like when I can hang on the wheel real loosely, it seems to be how I generally set my fastest times. The problem I run into this is that on some cars on high speed S turns (not really S turns but left/right or right/left complexes/curves) my wheel pushes back harder than the effort to turn in, if you dont hang on firmly the wheel gets away from me. I also have not got my brake pedal to my liking yet. I have the load cell pedals, I replaced one of the sponge rubber foams (there are 2 stacked from Fanatec) with a piece of Delrin. Its like plastic, kinda. I use it for front end bushings, steering shaft supports, etc on race cars, machines very nice, feels like it is self lubricating, and its tough. My brake effort has been reduced but I would still like to use less foot pressure to get max braking, I like to drive in my socks, I dont want to have to wear shoes to race on a video game. :):):) I would like my brake pedal to have a little more "power assist' if you will. I have the Fanatec setting (Brf) at 100, thats as high as it goes, if I lower that number it requires more effort to get max brake pressure.
 
fastone371
Thank you, will try your recommendations. Do you like a lot of turning effort on your wheel? I do not generally like mine too high, I like when I can hang on the wheel real loosely, it seems to be how I generally set my fastest times. The problem I run into this is that on some cars on high speed S turns (not really S turns but left/right or right/left complexes/curves) my wheel pushes back harder than the effort to turn in, if you dont hang on firmly the wheel gets away from me. I also have not got my brake pedal to my liking yet. I have the load cell pedals, I replaced one of the sponge rubber foams (there are 2 stacked from Fanatec) with a piece of Delrin. Its like plastic, kinda. I use it for front end bushings, steering shaft supports, etc on race cars, machines very nice, feels like it is self lubricating, and its tough. My brake effort has been reduced but I would still like to use less foot pressure to get max braking, I like to drive in my socks, I dont want to have to wear shoes to race on a video game. :):):) I would like my brake pedal to have a little more "power assist' if you will. I have the Fanatec setting (Brf) at 100, thats as high as it goes, if I lower that number it requires more effort to get max brake pressure.
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Its the other way around. I use only 10 on brake force as i play in socks. Sometimes 20 but higher and i feel i need to use to much pressure if i put it any higher. You can use the rev lights to help you out when in the settings menu on wheel
 
fastone371
Thank you, will try your recommendations. Do you like a lot of turning effort on your wheel? I do not generally like mine too high, I like when I can hang on the wheel real loosely, it seems to be how I generally set my fastest times. The problem I run into this is that on some cars on high speed S turns (not really S turns but left/right or right/left complexes/curves) my wheel pushes back harder than the effort to turn in, if you dont hang on firmly the wheel gets away from me. I also have not got my brake pedal to my liking yet. I have the load cell pedals, I replaced one of the sponge rubber foams (there are 2 stacked from Fanatec) with a piece of Delrin. Its like plastic, kinda. I use it for front end bushings, steering shaft supports, etc on race cars, machines very nice, feels like it is self lubricating, and its tough. My brake effort has been reduced but I would still like to use less foot pressure to get max braking, I like to drive in my socks, I dont want to have to wear shoes to race on a video game. :):):) I would like my brake pedal to have a little more "power assist' if you will. I have the Fanatec setting (Brf) at 100, thats as high as it goes, if I lower that number it requires more effort to get max brake pressure.
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You´re totally wrong... on the BRF setting!! ... 100% is actually the MAXIMUM force!!! minimum is... OFFF!!!! Exactly the contrary of your statement!!! try off/0 to 20 30. for less force needed...

And I also like to have only the torque enough to feel close to real.. but still light for quick and U turns!!!
 
Eggmackan
Its the other way around. I use only 10 on brake force as i play in socks. Sometimes 20 but higher and i feel i need to use to much pressure if i put it any higher. You can use the rev lights to help you out when in the settings menu on wheel
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Exactly,,,, I´ve just wrote the same.. lol.. :)
 
Eggmackan
Its the other way around. I use only 10 on brake force as i play in socks. Sometimes 20 but higher and i feel i need to use to much pressure if i put it any higher. You can use the rev lights to help you out when in the settings menu on wheel
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Mirror_man
You´re totally wrong... on the BRF setting!! ... 100% is actually the MAXIMUM force!!! minimum is... OFFF!!!! Exactly the contrary of your statement!!! try off/0 to 20 30. for less force needed...

And I also like to have only the torque enough to feel close to real.. but still light for quick and U turns!!!
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Okey dokey, thank you for the info. Maybe I didnt move it enough when I adjusted it, I had Brf at 70 and it seemed like I need more pedal pressure to get maximum braking.
 
I think you need a really stable rig setup like a cockpit and shoes to go above 50 :) i use a wheelstand stopped by a heavy table its very stable but i can feel the flex going over 40 brake force :)
 
Mirror_man
You´re totally wrong... on the BRF setting!! ... 100% is actually the MAXIMUM force!!! minimum is... OFFF!!!! Exactly the contrary of your statement!!! try off/0 to 20 30. for less force needed...

And I also like to have only the torque enough to feel close to real.. but still light for quick and U turns!!!
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Im confused, the manual states this.

"Enter the Tuning Menu and navigate to parameter ‘BRF’ (brake force; is only shown if ClubSport Pedals V3 are connected to the wheel base) with default value 050. Change the value for ‘BRF’ according to your favourite setting within the range OFF to 100:
- Value OFF is hardest setting, no scaling of brake signal resistance
- Value 100 is scaling the brake signal resistance by factor 3"

it says OFF is the hardest setting. but if 100 scales the brake signal resistance by 3x (does this mean its 3x harder to press?)

confused.
 
enkays
Im confused, the manual states this.

"Enter the Tuning Menu and navigate to parameter ‘BRF’ (brake force; is only shown if ClubSport Pedals V3 are connected to the wheel base) with default value 050. Change the value for ‘BRF’ according to your favourite setting within the range OFF to 100:
- Value OFF is hardest setting, no scaling of brake signal resistance
- Value 100 is scaling the brake signal resistance by factor 3"

it says OFF is the hardest setting. but if 100 scales the brake signal resistance by 3x (does this mean its 3x harder to press?)

confused.
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About your question,, I don´t know the answer. and frankly I don´t think that´s important... same as discussing the sex of the angels...

But I´m telling you.. changing that value wont kill you nor will destroy your pedals! So try it and see what you´ve got... "off" for me is great.... but if you think your car brakes too much... raise the value.. (but not much)...
 
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Mirror_man
You´re totally wrong... on the BRF setting!! ... 100% is actually the MAXIMUM force!!! minimum is... OFFF!!!! Exactly the contrary of your statement!!! try off/0 to 20 30. for less force needed...

And I also like to have only the torque enough to feel close to real.. but still light for quick and U turns!!!
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Eggmackan
Its the other way around. I use only 10 on brake force as i play in socks. Sometimes 20 but higher and i feel i need to use to much pressure if i put it any higher. You can use the rev lights to help you out when in the settings menu on wheel
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Im not sure how you guys interpreted the opposite of what I actually wrote but it looks like I said when Brf is set at 100 you need minimum brake pedal pressure to get 100% braking force and when you have Brf set at 10 you need maximum pedal pressure to get 100% braking, if that is not what I said that is what I am trying to say. I tried my setting at 30% last night and thought I might fold the brake pedal in half getting 100% brake force. I then referred to the Fanatec set-up guide and they also say Brf @ 100 is less force on pedal to achieve 100% brake pressure and Brf set at 10 would be maximum pedal pressure to get 100% brake pressure. My pedals are mounted solid, its not like I am driving from a desk.
 
enkays
Im confused, the manual states this.

"Enter the Tuning Menu and navigate to parameter ‘BRF’ (brake force; is only shown if ClubSport Pedals V3 are connected to the wheel base) with default value 050. Change the value for ‘BRF’ according to your favourite setting within the range OFF to 100:
- Value OFF is hardest setting, no scaling of brake signal resistance
- Value 100 is scaling the brake signal resistance by factor 3"

it says OFF is the hardest setting. but if 100 scales the brake signal resistance by 3x (does this mean its 3x harder to press?)

confused.
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Brf @ 10=press pedal hard to get 100% brake pressure
Brf @ 100 =much less pedal effort to get 100% brake pressure
or
Brf @ 10=NO power brakes
Brf @ 100=power brakes :)
 
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My csl elite with load cell is the lower the number on brf, the less pedal travel is required to reach max braking. I have mine set at like 30%, if I had mine at 100%, I would flip my pedal assembly up into the back of my ankles from the force required to reach full braking in game.
 
DC2_Evan
My csl elite with load cell is the lower the number on brf, the less pedal travel is required to reach max braking. I have mine set at like 30%, if I had mine at 100%, I would flip my pedal assembly up into the back of my ankles from the force required to reach full braking in game.
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Brf has nothing to do with to do with brake pedal travel, only pedal effort, or how hard you need to push pedal.
Pedal travel is adjusted by red "nut" on brake pedal plunger rod, it has increments on it so you can see how you have it adjusted. My pedals are bolted down and will not move.
 
Mirror_man
What is on the manual is what you say... but. .what the manual says is not what you get! Instead you get the opposite!!

If you want to keep been stupid and stubborn and believing in what is written and not in what you see or get... then keep up with it... you´re on the best way to get deceived in most things through the rest of your life!!

If we are all are saying (and it ain't only me.. that this is what happens...) and we have the experience and are willing to help those who are truly willing to be helped... and not just be stubborn... (and something else... looking like an idiot...) why don´t you first try what we´re saying, instead of stupidly repeating or simply discussing the manual and the sex of Angels???

As I said before.. you won´t die or get hurt with trying it. and your pedals wont be set on fire nor any thing close... either... If not.. please go on!!! Keep arguing for ypurself only. please!!!.. and doing nothing truly besides discussing and arguing... that will take you... to ... where you deserve to be...


And my pedals are very well fixed indeed to the base... (bolted with at least 3 bolts to a very solid base.. )

And honestly I think I´ve lost more then time and focus with someone that does´nt diserve it. .so I would like that you simply would not make me loose more of my precious time with trying (honestly and deeply) to help you!
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Take it easy there please, I am not trying to be a jerk and argue with you, I am only explaining my results and that they match the Fanatec information. Do you honestly believe that I didnt go back and try it after we started our discussion? I put my Brf setting to 10 (one and a zero) and I could barely get my brake reading gauge on the game to read maximum with ABS on or off. Then I reset Brf to 100 (one and 2 zeros) and I could pretty easily get the in game brake gauge to read maximum. I tested this at the same track with the same car at slow speed and at a stop and got the results shown. One thing I have learned racing and building real cars for the last couple of decades is to test and re-test to confirm your results even if they are not your desired results. When I was young I would argue my point till the end of time, as I got older I began to realize that you don't know what you don't know, that's why I rechecked my Brf setting results. I am not saying that yours works the same as mine, I'm sure you can see what happens when you make adjustments. Maybe there was a production change at Fanatec? I got my Clubsport load cell V3 pedal set Feb. of 2018 and installed the latest update Fanatec had available as instructed by Fanatec. Anyone else who has a Fanatec load cell pedal should probably thoroughly check their Brf settings and confirm the direction for minimum and maximum brake pressure.
 
Mirror_man
What is on the manual is what you say... but. .what the manual says is not what you get! Instead you get the opposite!!

If you want to keep been stupid and stubborn and believing in what is written and not in what you see or get... then keep up with it... you´re on the best way to get deceived in most things through the rest of your life!!

If we are all are saying (and it ain't only me.. that this is what happens...) and we have the experience and are willing to help those who are truly willing to be helped... and not just be stubborn... (and something else... looking like an idiot...) why don´t you first try what we´re saying, instead of stupidly repeating or simply discussing the manual and the sex of Angels???

As I said before.. you won´t die or get hurt with trying it. and your pedals wont be set on fire nor any thing close... either... If not.. please go on!!! Keep arguing for ypurself only. please!!!.. and doing nothing truly besides discussing and arguing... that will take you... to ... where you deserve to be...


And my pedals are very well fixed indeed to the base... (bolted with at least 3 bolts to a very solid base.. )

And honestly I think I´ve lost more then time and focus with someone that does´nt diserve it. .so I would like that you simply would not make me loose more of my precious time with trying (honestly and deeply) to help you!
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Wow! What’s going on? I’m just back from another thread you were participating and you sound really aggressive today.
 
fastone371
Take it easy there please, I am not trying to be a jerk and argue with you, I am only explaining my results and that they match the Fanatec information. Do you honestly believe that I didnt go back and try it after we started our discussion? I put my Brf setting to 10 (one and a zero) and I could barely get my brake reading gauge on the game to read maximum with ABS on or off. Then I reset Brf to 100 (one and 2 zeros) and I could pretty easily get the in game brake gauge to read maximum. I tested this at the same track with the same car at slow speed and at a stop and got the results shown. One thing I have learned racing and building real cars for the last couple of decades is to test and re-test to confirm your results even if they are not your desired results. When I was young I would argue my point till the end of time, as I got older I began to realize that you don't know what you don't know, that's why I rechecked my Brf setting results. I am not saying that yours works the same as mine, I'm sure you can see what happens when you make adjustments. Maybe there was a production change at Fanatec? I got my Clubsport load cell V3 pedal set Feb. of 2018 and installed the latest update Fanatec had available as instructed by Fanatec. Anyone else who has a Fanatec load cell pedal should probably thoroughly check their Brf settings and confirm the direction for minimum and maximum brake pressure.
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Then Clubsport pedals work different then the csl loadcell pedals. The manual clearly says the opposite of how the csl pedals work when settings is adjusted. Maybe they just changed this from the clubsport but didnt change the wording in the manual
 
Eggmackan
Then Clubsport pedals work different then the csl loadcell pedals. The manual clearly says the opposite of how the csl pedals work when settings is adjusted. Maybe they just changed this from the clubsport but didnt change the wording in the manual
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I cant answer that, I didn't even know about Fanatec until about a week before I ordered the wheel/pedal set in early February. I was getting ready to buy the Thrustmaster T-GT until I searched the interweb.
I have the I have the ClubSport V3 pedal set,---------- https://www.fanatec.com/us-en/pedal...net&utm_campaign=General+Links&a_aid=gtplanet
I thought Fanatec only made 2 load cell pedals, the set I have which are a floor pivot like an old VW Bug and the hanging pedals which are what you would most likely have in your current car which pivot on the top. That would most certainly explain the difference in Brf settings.
P.S. I see now, Fanatec has 2 different models, ClubSport and Elite load cell pedal sets, color me informed. (or enlightened) 💡 💡 💡 💡 💡 💡 💡
Im guessing you guys have the Elite set????
 
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Mirror_man
just like I stated... a thousand times. maybe..
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I have CSP V3 and it works the opposite way, with BRF @ 100%, it's really easy to brake at 100% in the game but with BRF @ 10% it's almost impossible to brake at 100% in the game because you have to use so much pressure.

Keep calm guys, it's just that it does not seem to work the same way between the CSL Pedals and the CSP V3, everything's ok :cheers:
 
poumpoum
I have CSP V3 and it works the opposite way, with BRF @ 100%, it's really easy to brake at 100% in the game but with BRF @ 10% it's almost impossible to brake at 100% in the game because you have to use so much pressure.

Keep calm guys, it's just that it does not seem to work the same way between the CSL Pedals and the CSP V3, everything's ok :cheers:
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Maybe.. but i wasn´t in any way referering or even caring a bit about what happens qith CSP V3... I don´t have nor never had one.... so I have nothing to say about them...
 
poumpoum
I have CSP V3 and it works the opposite way, with BRF @ 100%, it's really easy to brake at 100% in the game but with BRF @ 10% it's almost impossible to brake at 100% in the game because you have to use so much pressure.

Keep calm guys, it's just that it does not seem to work the same way between the CSL Pedals and the CSP V3, everything's ok :cheers:
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Great to hear Im much less of an idiot today than yesterday . :) :cheers:
 

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