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It’s pretty much following from a script.
- Post something mildly controversial.
- Defend it not by justifying the position but by proclaiming to stand firmly in the “common sense” middle ground.
- In the process, display your political bias and general ignorance like the bat signal.
- Post something accusatory but wide of the mark, which could be seen as insulting about everybody who disagrees with you.
- Make an attempt to win others over by posting a YouTube video that you believe articulates the propaganda more effectively than you can yourself.
- Threaten to bugger off. (Don’t follow through)
And if the post doesn’t warrant a ban, come back at some point and repeat steps 1-6
- Post something mildly controversial.
- Defend it not by justifying the position but by proclaiming to stand firmly in the “common sense” middle ground.
- In the process, display your political bias and general ignorance like the bat signal.
- Post something accusatory but wide of the mark, which could be seen as insulting about everybody who disagrees with you.
- Make an attempt to win others over by posting a YouTube video that you believe articulates the propaganda more effectively than you can yourself.
- Threaten to bugger off. (Don’t follow through)
And if the post doesn’t warrant a ban, come back at some point and repeat steps 1-6
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I'm honestly not sure which are more pathetic, stupid mother****ers like Bruce Poliquin--the Republican candidate running for a US House of Representatives seat for Maine--who do this **** or the stupid mother****ers who lap it up uncritically.
They're parasites.
We need to move past the notion that these are people. I'd usually be inclined to refer to them as vermin but it has to be acknowledged that even vermin exist for more than themselves alone.
They're parasites.
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I draw the line at violence.
Edit: I'm sort of curious how violence against "terrible, terrible people" may be unjustifiable compared to against dehumanized individuals. Those two terribles sound pretty bad.
I mean I'm willing to defend myself and others against a legitimate threat of immediate physical violence--distinct from a supposed looming and/or potential threat or a threat absent physical violence, as a difference in viewpoint--and what I think of one who may perpetrate such an act isn't likely to enter into it. Liking somebody isn't what stops me from from perpetrating such an act myself, though I recognize it could potentially make me hesitate to defend myself or another if someone I like represents such a threat.
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One of the reasons I hang around the CPC thread. Probably the main one, in fact.
I can't help thinking that centrist guy who showed up the other day thought this was a thread celebrating takes similar to his and was unaware of its actual purpose. It seems clear he hadn't read the other threads on the forum judging by the takes he posted.
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There is justifiable reasons for violence. Self defence is a good example, and it’s not really what my use of that Nelson Mandela quote was referring too.
If a group sees another group as not only less than them, but less than human, they will have less reservations about causing them unjustified harm. It’s been used for millennia to convince military man that they were fighting the good fight.
I’m not implying that you are going to cause physical violence or harm to anybody, just pointing out that there is a difference between a terrible human being and a less-than human scumbag. I personally, draw a line at removing people’s humanity, partly due to the history involved and partly, (as quoted) because it lessens the chances of a peaceful resolution.
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I wasn't remarking on the Nelson Mandela quote. I was remarking on my unwillingness to harm another based solely on a low--even exceptionally so--opinion of them. In the absence of a legitimate threat of physical harm, I'm unwilling to legitimately harm another regardless of how I may view them.
I don't know how to convey this more clearly.
That. Is. Not. Me.
That said, "unjustified" is subjective, right? I mean we all have standards for what is sufficient cause to deprive another of basic rights. This tends to boil down to prevention of legitimate harm and penalty for affecting legitimate harm.
Those who wish to affect legitimate harm are going to use whatever they will in an attempt to justify that. They may tell themselves or others that it's the will of some deity or that those against whom they wish to affect legitimate harm pose some threat or are deserving of legitimate harm, or really anything at all. We decide if we think that justification reasonable. It's definitely subjective.
And in case you've noticed my repeated references to legitimacy with regard to harm and wondered what that's about, reason has taken a backseat to grievance as of late and free exercise of rights that don't violate the rights of others has been branded as harm in an effort to propagate a grievance narrative and paint private actors as threats to freedom. This is ridiculous in the extreme. In the absence of violation of rights, which are themselves distinct from privileges that may be granted conditionally and entirely at the discretion of private actors, there is no legitimate harm.
Respectfully, I did inquire about the difference between the two as it relates to justification for violence. I think you're probably engaging in good faith and that you didn't intend to dodge the question, but you did kind of gloss over it.
I recognize it may not be an easy question to answer and so I'll instead ask if the difference is subjective. In the event that you don't believe the difference is subjective, would you elaborate?
Again, I draw the line at violence.
Also, I don't agree with your assertion that an individual's humanity may be removed. Maybe that's not the word you meant to use and "ignored" is more appropriate, and I absolutely agree with that. But is humanity innate? What of one who, as up-thread, exists solely for one's self and delights in the misfortune of others--so publicly and even performatively (I've proposed "unvirtue signaling" to describe this behavior)--based on a perceived difference in viewpoint? Where's the humanity there? Could it be that humanity isn't innate, and if it's not, is it actually wrong to suggest--wholly absent any attempts to justify violence--that one lacks it?
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To me lacking humanity doesn't make you an unhuman. It makes you a human who's made bad choices. Equating people with animals or things is letting them off the hook for evading their moral responsibility towards others.
Hanan is still salty. Her solution? Erode democracy still further.
Ironically, the group of people she wants to exclude will all be over twenty-one next election anyway.
Hanan is still salty. Her solution? Erode democracy still further.
Ironically, the group of people she wants to exclude will all be over twenty-one next election anyway.
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