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[Famine]

I’m just gonna exit stage left now. I can tell my kind is not liked here. Moderated, etc. My bad that I have a different opinion. Carry on.

Nobody has ever been "moderated, etc" for their "kind". Moderation actions are only taken when issues arise with posts that break the site's rules.

Using that as a crutch to avoid having to defend your opinions is particularly weaksauce.

 

[MARsSPEED1]

Nobody has ever been "moderated, etc" for their "kind". Moderation actions are only taken when issues arise with posts that break the site's rules.

Using that as a crutch to avoid having to defend your opinions is particularly weaksauce.

Good to know and fair.

 

[Spacegoat]

Junior High

Outstanding nickname for him. Bravo, sir.

 

[Danoff]

Bro, you just quoted Time and CBS….biased sources.

Kinda tough to find sources that can't be labeled as biased in some way or another. You're deflecting.

BLM riots cost more than 100x as Jan. 6th.
BLM riots killed more people including officers.

Tell me what the goal of BLM was. Now tell me what the goal of Jan. 6th rioters was. That's your answer.

If you people actually think a bunch of Rednecks were going to “overthrow” the government then it’s probably not worth my time debating with you.

The President of the United States tried, multiple ways, to overthrow the US government.

Now with FJB, were closer to millions dying along 2 fronts, Russia and NK

...because Biden attacked the Ukraine? Get a grip.

 

[McLaren]

Another conservative poster makes his way in here for the first time, spouts off a bunch of nonsense with the ol “fake news/enlightened centrist” stance and then dips out under, “I’m a victim” belief when promptly challenged.

 

[Scaff]

BLM riots cost more than 100x as Jan. 6th.
BLM riots killed more people including officers.

Now correct those for duration.

 

[MARsSPEED1]

Kinda tough to find sources that can't be labeled as biased in some way or another. You're deflecting.

Tell me what the goal of BLM was. Now tell me what the goal of Jan. 6th rioters was. That's your answer.

The President of the United States tried, multiple ways, to overthrow the US government.

...because Biden attacked the Ukraine? Get a grip.

Have a lesson on bias.

AllSides Media Bias Chart

The AllSides Media Bias Chart is an easy way for you to identify political bias in the news so you can be better equipped to navigate our increasingly polarized media landscape.

www.allsides.com

Now correct those for duration.

Why would I correct something that never happened vs. something that did.

Again, what happened in front of Whitehouse during BLM protests and Wisconsin State House?

 

[Blitz24]

Have a lesson on bias.

AllSides Media Bias Chart

The AllSides Media Bias Chart is an easy way for you to identify political bias in the news so you can be better equipped to navigate our increasingly polarized media landscape.

www.allsides.com

Why would I correct something that never happened vs. something that did.

Again, what happened in front of Whitehouse during BLM protests and Wisconsin State House?

Really? So January 6th NEVER happened?

 

[Scaff]

Have a lesson on bias.

AllSides Media Bias Chart

The AllSides Media Bias Chart is an easy way for you to identify political bias in the news so you can be better equipped to navigate our increasingly polarized media landscape.

www.allsides.com

The irony of the above...

Why would I correct something that never happened vs. something that did.

Again, what happened in front of Whitehouse during BLM protests and Wisconsin State House?

...when also saying this is off the charts.

So Jan 6th didn't happen, is that what you are actually claiming?

Oh and you might want to actually read your own source before handing out 'lessons'

"Center doesn't mean better! A Center media bias rating does not mean the source is neutral, unbiased, or reasonable, just as Left and Right do not necessarily mean the source is extreme, wrong, or unreasonable. A Center bias rating simply means the source or writer rated does not predictably publish content that tilts toward either end of the political spectrum — conservative or liberal. A media outlet with a Center rating may omit important perspectives, or run individual articles that display bias, while not displaying a predictable bias. Center outlets can be difficult to determine, and there is rarely a perfect Center outlet: some of our outlets rated Center can be better thought of as Center-Left or Center-Right, something we clarify on individual source pages."

 

[UKMikey]

It's always a revolving door with the kind of people who feel the need to announce their departure.

Why would I correct something that never happened vs. something that did.

During BLM riots, protesters had to be held back from the storming the Whitehouse. The place would have burned to the ground. But we’ll ignore that and use the Wisconsin State House instead when that was ramsacked in the same way as the Capitol.

Comparing what "would have" happened inside the White House to what happened inside the Washington Capitol is comparing "something that never happened vs. something that did".

I can't find anything about what happened to the Wisconsin Capitol building during the BLM riots but there was a major protest in 2011 in which no policemen were beaten to death with American flags.

The state house wasn't even maliciously damaged according to the Republicans they spoke to so it doesn't sound like anything was "ramsacked" to me.

Some are comparing the U.S. Capitol riot to Wisconsin's Act 10 protests in 2011. Here are the key differences.

There were stark differences between this week's riot at the U.S. Capitol and the 2011 protests at the Wisconsin State Capitol in Madison.

jsonline.com

AdFontes rated the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel as "skews left [-7.33] but reliable analysis/fact reporting [46.96]".

Oh look, everyone was worried about Trump starting some nuclear war. Now with FJB, were closer to millions dying along 2 fronts, Russia and NK

Again, how did Biden provoke Kim into firing those missiles?

 

[Joey D]

f you people actually think a bunch of Rednecks were going to “overthrow” the government then it’s probably not worth my time debating with you.

Overthrow? Eh, probably not. However, if they'd breached the floor there was a high probability that they would've killed more than one politician, including the Vice President, all because they were so indoctrinated with utter BS that the election was illegitimate. Trump lost because he was a terrible leader and I would guess most Biden voters didn't vote for him because they liked him, but rather because he wasn't Trump. Biden isn't a good president either, but he's not actively trying to turn the US into some weird, half-assed fascist state. It's a low bar mind you.

But here's the thing, you can think that the riots that spawned from a relatively small group of BLM protesters are bad while still thinking January 6th was also a travesty. Saying one is bad isn't condoning the other. Both were a bad look, however the January 6th insurrection was undoubtedly worse for the country as a whole. Jan 6th damaged the country not only politically but on the world stage as well. It had far more ramifications by a long shot. Riots aren't good by any means, but they aren't actively attempting a coup no matter how half-assed that coup attempt is.

It's also important to note that not all BLM protestors were rioters, but all participants on Jan 6th were insurrectionists. A vast majority of BLM protestors were just that, protestors, which is 100% legal and your right to do as an American citizen. You have precisely zero rights to attempt to overthrow the US government.

 

[MARsSPEED1]

Really? So January 6th NEVER happened?

No, read. Already said the people involved with Jan. 6th are incredibly stupid and I would never ever support such a thing.

The irony of the above...

...when also saying this is off the charts.

So Jan 6th didn't happen, is that what you are actually claiming?

Oh and you might want to actually read your own source before handing out 'lessons'

"Center doesn't mean better! A Center media bias rating does not mean the source is neutral, unbiased, or reasonable, just as Left and Right do not necessarily mean the source is extreme, wrong, or unreasonable. A Center bias rating simply means the source or writer rated does not predictably publish content that tilts toward either end of the political spectrum — conservative or liberal. A media outlet with a Center rating may omit important perspectives, or run individual articles that display bias, while not displaying a predictable bias. Center outlets can be difficult to determine, and there is rarely a perfect Center outlet: some of our outlets rated Center can be better thought of as Center-Left or Center-Right, something we clarify on individual source pages."

Correct, but the ones I speak of are. I’ll take “supposed center” over probable left, far left, right, or far right.

It's always a revolving door with people who feel the need to announce their departure.
Comparing what "would have" happened inside the White House to what happened inside the Washington Capitol is "comparing something that never happened vs. something that did".

I can't find anything about what happened to the Wisconsin Capitol building during the BLM riots but there was a major protest in 2011 in which no policemen were beaten to death with American flags. The state house wasn't even maliciously damaged according to the Republicans they spoke to.

Some are comparing the U.S. Capitol riot to Wisconsin's Act 10 protests in 2011. Here are the key differences.

There were stark differences between this week's riot at the U.S. Capitol and the 2011 protests at the Wisconsin State Capitol in Madison.

jsonline.com

AdFontes rated the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel as "skews left [-7.33] but reliable analysis/fact reporting [46.96]".
Again, how did Biden provoke Kim into firing those missiles?

Somebody else just asked to compare a “what if” by pro-rating damages between the two events. Hey pot, meet kettle.

Oh, the only person that was actually killed DURING Jan 6th was an unarmed white woman…again, not supporting these fools, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, but there is still no excuse for shooting the woman.

 

[UKMikey]

Correct, but the ones I speak of are.

Are what?

Somebody else just asked to compare a “what if” by pro-rating damages between the two events. Hey pot, meet kettle.

So doing the same thing (and I don't think it's the same thing) validates your original comparison? There has to be a pot before you can compare a kettle to it.

Oh, the only person that was actually killed DURING Jan 6th was an unarmed white woman…again, not supporting these fools, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, but there is still no excuse for shooting the woman.

When was the policeman beaten who died of his injuries? What was the cause of his injuries? And why was the unarmed white woman shot?

The policeman was a victim. The protester wasn't.

 

[MARsSPEED1]

Overthrow? Eh, probably not. However, if they'd breached the floor there was a high probability that they would've killed more than one politician, including the Vice President, all because they were so indoctrinated with utter BS that the election was illegitimate. Trump lost because he was a terrible leader and I would guess most Biden voters didn't vote for him because they liked him, but rather because he wasn't Trump. Biden isn't a good president either, but he's not actively trying to turn the US into some weird, half-assed fascist state. It's a low bar mind you.

But here's the thing, you can think that the riots that spawned from a relatively small group of BLM protesters are bad while still thinking January 6th was also a travesty. Saying one is bad isn't condoning the other. Both were a bad look, however the January 6th insurrection was undoubtedly worse for the country as a whole. Jan 6th damaged the country not only politically but on the world stage as well. It had far more ramifications by a long shot. Riots aren't good by any means, but they aren't actively attempting a coup no matter how half-assed that coup attempt is.

It's also important to note that not all BLM protestors were rioters, but all participants on Jan 6th were insurrectionists. A vast majority of BLM protestors were just that, protestors, which is 100% legal and your right to do as an American citizen. You have precisely zero rights to attempt to overthrow the US government.

Question, did you and many others like yourself, #notmypresident when Hillary lost? Hillary and many many others denied the 2016 election. So does that mean you were Vice Versa brainwashed? Hey pot, meet kettle. Was anyone here around for the Al Gore election denial? That one actually happened on both sides.

Funny thing is though I have not once denied the election results. I do think Trump was hated that much. I see similar but a different sentiment toward Biden, myself included.

 

[UKMikey]

Question, did you and many others like yourself, #notmypresident when Hillary lost?

You mean right-wing libertarians like @Joey D?

Hillary and many many others denied the 2016 election.

She conceded.

 

[Danoff]

Have a lesson on bias.

AllSides Media Bias Chart

The AllSides Media Bias Chart is an easy way for you to identify political bias in the news so you can be better equipped to navigate our increasingly polarized media landscape.

www.allsides.com

First of all, I don't know why you think this is a counter-argument. Not only have I seen those, I've seen them in more detail and I've seen them disagree with yours. Surely you realize that "allsides.com" can have its own bias (and putting WSJ and WSJ Opinion where they did kinda shows that).

It's nearly impossible to cite something without bias. You're deflecting.

Speaking of deflecting, you ignored the rest of my post.

Question, did you and many others like yourself, #notmypresident when Hillary lost? Hillary and many many others denied the 2016 election.

It's hilarious that you think he did that. Hilarious. You really do have no idea who you're talking to or what they think.

 

[Joey D]

Question, did you and many others like yourself, #notmypresident when Hillary lost? Hillary and many many others denied the 2016 election. So does that mean you were Vice Versa brainwashed? Hey pot, meet kettle. Was anyone here around for the Al Gore election denial? That one actually happened on both sides.

Funny thing is though I have not once denied the election results. I do think Trump was hated that much. I see similar but a different sentiment toward Biden, myself included.

I didn't vote for Hillary, I'm not a Democrat, and I'm not even remotely liberal. I don't like Hillary, and I don't think she would've made a good president. I accepted the results of the 2016 election because there was no reason to doubt them, just like there was no reason to doubt the 2020 election.

Oh, the only person that was actually killed DURING Jan 6th was an unarmed white woman…again, not supporting these fools, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, but there is still no excuse for shooting the woman.

Ashli Babbitt was shot because she attempted to breach a broken window into a barricaded hallway leading to the Speaker's chambers. She was justifiably shot too and, honestly, the entire lot of the insurrectionists should've been engaged by the military. If you breach a government building wanting to hang politicians, you're an enemy of the state.

 

[MARsSPEED1]

Are what?
So doing the same thing (and I don't think it's the same thing) validated your comparison? There has to be a pot before you can compare a kettle to it.
When was the policeman beaten who died of his injuries? What was the cause of his injuries? And why was the unarmed white woman shot?

The policeman was a victim. The protester wasn't.

Wow, you’re a real winner, condoning the murder of unarmed citizen.

And no, the officer died of natural causes afterwards, but sustained injury during the event. He was not however shot in the neck at almost point blank range. I can’t believe you people honestly believe Trumpists were out to kill people.

Medical Examiner Finds USCP Officer Brian Sicknick Died of Natural Causes

The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes. This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol.The Department continues...

www.uscp.gov

 

[Danoff]

Wow, you’re a real winner, condoning the murder of unarmed citizen.

You don't seem to know what murder is. And you're taking that position without any critical thinking very much on purpose.

 

[UKMikey]

Wow, you’re a real winner, condoning the murder of unarmed citizen.

Citation required.

And no, the officer died of natural causes afterwards, but sustained injury during the event.

Guess it was his fault for being prone to strokes while defending the building against a mob which shouldn't have been there.

I can’t believe you people honestly believe Trumpists were out to kill people.

"Hang Mike Pence!"

 

[MARsSPEED1]

Overthrow? Eh, probably not. However, if they'd breached the floor there was a high probability that they would've killed more than one politician, including the Vice President, all because they were so indoctrinated with utter BS that the election was illegitimate. Trump lost because he was a terrible leader and I would guess most Biden voters didn't vote for him because they liked him, but rather because he wasn't Trump. Biden isn't a good president either, but he's not actively trying to turn the US into some weird, half-assed fascist state. It's a low bar mind you.

But here's the thing, you can think that the riots that spawned from a relatively small group of BLM protesters are bad while still thinking January 6th was also a travesty. Saying one is bad isn't condoning the other. Both were a bad look, however the January 6th insurrection was undoubtedly worse for the country as a whole. Jan 6th damaged the country not only politically but on the world stage as well. It had far more ramifications by a long shot. Riots aren't good by any means, but they aren't actively attempting a coup no matter how half-assed that coup attempt is.

It's also important to note that not all BLM protestors were rioters, but all participants on Jan 6th were insurrectionists. A vast majority of BLM protestors were just that, protestors, which is 100% legal and your right to do as an American citizen. You have precisely zero rights to attempt to overthrow the US government.

In my opinion, Jan. 6th was not a Coup but a protest and that is just my opinion. There were thousands of people there, and the large majority did not even enter the Capitol Building. Everyone keeps posting on a very select few or even couple that wanted to "hang politicians". You really want to use 0.1% to paint the goal on thousands of people? Ever heard "Pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon"

Citation required.
Guess it was his fault for being prone to strokes while defending the building against a mob which shouldn't have been there.
"Hang Mike Pence!"

And all of those people killed and maimed during BLM protests? Guess they shouldn't have been there either. I think it's horrible what happened to ALL of them including Brian.

Kinda tough to find sources that can't be labeled as biased in some way or another. You're deflecting.

Tell me what the goal of BLM was. Now tell me what the goal of Jan. 6th rioters was. That's your answer.

The President of the United States tried, multiple ways, to overthrow the US government.

...because Biden attacked the Ukraine? Get a grip.

The goal of BLM was expose Police Brutality. The goal of Jan 6th Protesters was expose what they believed as election fraud.

Sorry, Trump did not try and overthrow the government. The is just Left Wing horse poop.

No, I feel due to Biden Foreign Policy that our Country is more at risk of Nuclear War since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Happy now.

 

[UKMikey]

And all of those people killed and maimed during BLM protests? Guess they shouldn't have been there either. I think it's horrible what happened to ALL of them including Brian.

I'm saying the ones who were doing their jobs or going about their lawful business all had a right to be there and not be killed or maimed, even indirectly. That's why their assailants were arrested wherever possible, and should've been.

 

[Joey D]

In my opinion, Jan. 6th was not a Coup but a protest and that is just my opinion. There were thousands of people there, and the large majority did not even enter the Capitol Building. Everyone keeps posting on a very select few or even couple that wanted to "hang politicians". You really want to use 0.1% to paint the goal on thousands of people? Ever heard "Pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon"

It was an attempted coup, which is a violent and sudden seizure of power. A protest was what was going on during Trump's hissy fit rally that he held prior to the attacks. While this instigated the violence, that wasn't a coup. The moment the protestors breached the Capitol intent on stopping the counting and verification of a lawful, secure election, they became insurrectionists intent on carrying out a coup.

The people who didn't enter the Capitol aren't insurrectionists, or at least aren't insurrectionists legally speaking. I think they're idiotic, but they have every right to protest even the most idiotic ideas. They can even say things like "hang Mike Pence," but it's when they actively attempt to carry it out it becomes a problem. Just like with the BLM riots and protests, people can say "kill all cops," but unless they act on it, it's just words that need to be taken seriously.

There's enough evidence that has been presented, from first-hand accounts and the criminals themselves, that strongly suggests that the insurrectionists would've killed people had they gotten onto the floor of Congress. I mean what do you think they were going to do had they gotten onto the floor of Congress? Had a polite chat with bound Senators?

 

[Danoff]

In my opinion, Jan. 6th was not a Coup but a protest and that is just my opinion.

it's a factually incorrect opinion. The goal of the Jan. 6th protest was to prevent the certification of the election. That's WHY it happened WHERE it did, and it's directly what the president used to motivate it.

There were thousands of people there, and the large majority did not even enter the Capitol Building.

A lot of them did, and there was some effort to prevent that, including defense of the capitol building in which one intruder was shot, as you are aware. And yet many people DID enter the capitol building, despite armed response.

Everyone keeps posting on a very select few or even couple that wanted to "hang politicians". You really want to use 0.1% to paint the goal on thousands of people? Ever heard "Pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon"

There were quite a few people chanting that.

And all of those people killed and maimed during BLM protests? Guess they shouldn't have been there either. I think it's horrible what happened to ALL of them including Brian.

Who here is saying that it's good when a riot kills people? You're absolutely inventing that position and then arguing against it.

The goal of BLM was expose Police Brutality. The goal of Jan 6th Protesters was expose what they believed as election fraud.

The goal of the Jan. 6th protesters was to "stop the steal" by disrupting the certification of the 2020 election, which is what congress was doing when they attempted to enter the building and zip tie, kidnap, and execute the people doing it. The goal of BLM was good - expose police brutality, which definitely exists and was the catalyst for the protest. Even if the riots did very bad things, and I'm not saying it excuses them, the motivation of the movement as a whole was a worthy cause. The motivation of the Jan. 6th riot was to prevent the democratic process and stop the US political mechanism in its tracks.

Sorry, Trump did not try and overthrow the government. The is just Left Wing horse poop.

Literally did... multiple times. Also said he was going to. Even put it together in easy-to-understand graphics for you...

No, I feel due to Biden Foreign Policy that our Country is more at risk of Nuclear War since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia attacking the Ukraine has put everyone at risk. Biden is not responsible for Russia's actions, Russia is. And if you think things are tense with NK, I can tell you they were more tense 2018.

 

[UKMikey]

There were quite a few people chanting ["Hang Mike Pence"].

Perhaps it was a very loud 0.1%. Those old buildings throw out a lot of echoes. Can make a couple of people sound like a crowd.

 

[TheCracker]

The people who didn't enter the Capitol aren't insurrectionists, or at least aren't insurrectionists legally speaking. I think they're idiotic, but they have every right to protest even the most idiotic ideas. They can even say things like "hang Mike Pence," but it's when they actively attempt to carry it out it becomes a problem.

They may not have been insurrectionists, but they were complicit as their violent actions outside of the Capitol were stopping law enforcement from helping to halt what was going on inside. Anyone ouside who breached the barracades or attempted to was complicit to the crimes inside.

 

[MARsSPEED1]

So since I don't want to lose my whole work day political talk I'll just leave you with the way things should be. Compromise between the two sides.

Hot button topic #1 - Abortion

While I am strongly pro-life, that doesn't mean myself or conservatives are right. Nor is the left. I would propose making a federal law making 3rd term abortions illegal except in the case of life or death. BUT I would also make federal law where states cannot ban abortion in the first or second term.

Hot Button #2 - CoVid Vaccine

Yeah, sorry, but this is up to the individual. I'm vaccinated and I don't care who is or isn't. That is up to you. Kids on the other hand should be up to parents or guardians.

Hot Button #3 - Energy

Open the pipelines and offshore drilling, slow down inflation. Keep improving on environmentally friendly alternates. Switch to Electric vehicles by 2035.

Hot button #4 - Climate Change

Do what we can here to minimize pollution HOWEVER realize it is countries like China, India, Russia, and Brazil that play a much larger part than that of the United States.

Hot Button #5 - Crime

This subject is perhaps one where I am way off the left and would have a tough time compromising...and that is due to my own personal experience. I am for harsher punishment and sentencing. Drugs are bad, even marijuana (FYI, I am a former drug user who almost completely lost my life both using and dealing over 20 years ago.) My compromise would be taking handguns (but not rifles) away from police in exchange for non-lethal defense. Rifles are only to be used in extreme situations and stay locked in trunks.

Hot Button #6 - Foreign Policy

Hit the reset button. Find peace without war at all costs. Campaign to end all ICBMs, bio, and chem weapons. If any of these ever happen, it's the end of the world. Most of the planet dies.

Freedom of Religion - I'm Christian but I believe everyone has the right to their own chosen religion.

Right to bear arms - Handguns and rifles fine. No automatics. Must be able to show no mental disorders. Guns only available through government purchase or government managed stores. Additional expensive license per year for AR-15 or assault style weapons.

Gays and Trans rights - Everyone can get married and have same rights, I don't care. I just draw the line at men competing in sports as women.

That's it for now. Again compromise is key.

 

[Danoff]

So since I don't want to lose my whole work day political talk I'll just leave you with the way things should be. Compromise between the two sides.

Hot button topic #1 - Abortion

While I am strongly pro-life, that doesn't mean myself or conservatives are right. Nor is the left. I would propose making a federal law making 3rd term abortions illegal except in the case of life or death. BUT I would also make federal law where states cannot ban abortion in the first or second term.

Hot Button #2 - CoVid Vaccine

Yeah, sorry, but this is up to the individual. I'm vaccinated and I don't care who is or isn't. That is up to you. Kids on the other hand should be up to parents or guardians.

Hot Button #3 - Energy

Open the pipelines and offshore drilling, slow down inflation. Keep improving on environmentally friendly alternates. Switch to Electric vehicles by 2035.

Hot button #4 - Climate Change

Do what we can here to minimize pollution HOWEVER realize it is countries like China, India, Russia, and Brazil that play a much larger part than that of the United States.

Hot Button #5 - Crime

This subject is perhaps one where I am way off the left and would have a tough time compromising...and that is due to my own personal experience. I am for harsher punishment and sentencing. Drugs are bad, even marijuana (FYI, I am a former drug user who almost completely lost my life both using and dealing over 20 years ago.) My compromise would be taking handguns (but not rifles) away from police in exchange for non-lethal defense. Rifles are only to be used in extreme situations and stay locked in trunks.

Hot Button #6 - Foreign Policy

Hit the reset button. Find peace without war at all costs. Campaign to end all ICBMs, bio, and chem weapons. If any of these ever happen, it's the end of the world. Most of the planet dies.

Freedom of Religion - I'm Christian but I believe everyone has the right to their own chosen religion.

Right to bear arms - Handguns and rifles fine. No automatics. Must be able to show no mental disorders. Guns only available through government purchase or government managed stores. Additional expensive license per year for AR-15 or assault style weapons.

Gays and Trans rights - Everyone can get married and have same rights, I don't care. I just draw the line at men competing in sports as women.

That's it for now. Again compromise is key.

Instead of typing all of that out, try spending the time researching and understanding what happened on Jan. 6th. It's an important moment in your nation's history, and one you should definitely look into further - because you missed it.

 

[Famine]

Also said he was going to.

Even in 2015 when he was making noises about the election being rigged for Clinton - to the point he was directly asked during the debate if he'd respect the outcome of the election if he lost and he said he'd have to look at it. She even flagged how "horrifying" that was at the time...

It's something of an amusing footnote that he lost the popular vote by more than 2% but won the EC by 50%, having repeatedly whined about the election being rigged for Clinton.

 

[Joey D]

They may not have been insurrectionists, but they were complicit as their violent actions outside of the Capitol were stopping law enforcement from helping to halt what was going on inside. Anyone ouside who breached the barracades or attempted to was complicit to the crimes inside.

Completely agree and I should've phrased it better. Even if they didn't get inside the Capitol, anyone actively breaching the Capitol grounds should be considered an insurrectionist. The people I was referring to that aren't are those who were merely standing around on the National Mall shouting gibberish while being openly racist and bigoted. Those people are stupid and wrong, but I don't think they were actively trying to overthrow the government. They were, however, definitely supporting the actions of the insurrectionists. From a legal standpoint though, I'm not sure you can consider what they were doing as illegal since people support asinine BS all the time.