"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Tea_Leaves]

Sometimes I am waiting in the lobby for the race to start with 5 green bars, then when the countdown starts it drops to one red.

Mine does this sometimes. 1 red bar at race start through to auto-drive and shoots up to 4 - 5 green bars once I'm in control. Other times it will be in increments of all bars until staying at 5. It's the reason I never enter warm up, in case I somehow upset it.

 

[Pigems]

My connection to the EMEA servers is basically the exact same as my NA connection, I may actually be physically closer to the EMEA server though.

 

[RJBMonkey]

After yesterdays ridiculous Race A, decided to give Race B a go. Has helped restore my faith in daily races!

 

[The_Tullster]

I've run a couple of B's today, going to have to edit & upload one of my replays. In a grid of 16, eight cars ended up in the wall or the kitty litter at the first hairpin on L1. A minor bump partially my fault two turns earlier may have contributed I'm afraid, but I laughed myself silly watching the replay. I got through clean amazingly, but karma works. I binned the COD twice in that race with no other car in sight.

Here we go, the hairpin incident, I came out of that mess P8:

Apologies for the crap editing, only my second try at video on any platform.

 

[Invisigoth]

as I drive close to other cars my lag would probably punt you for me.

#R4M_ZombieASH32

 

[6BK]

So it's been a wild and woolly night at Dragon Trail, but time to call it. Had two mostly clean races, lost a few DR in one, next one I gained a few in a really loaded lobby as everyone else binned it trying to race super close. Went for a third, got a great start and passed a couple of crashers when I got one of those penalties. Someone else was crashing, takes me out, and it was obviously my fault according to PD.

And for fun after that I was on lap 1 (must be some sort of voodoo for me there) when my wife decided to stand between me and the TV screen to check something in the washing, which wasn't in the way of the TV, exactly as I am heading into the death chicane with a car dead ahead and 2 on my bumper. Things did not go well. I ended up working my way back to 9th, but could have had so much more. Oh well. DR possibly stabilized while I get my elbows out a bit more for the sprint style of race B again. Keep having to remember I don't have the time like you do in race C a lot of the time.

I saved this vid last week and then realised I'd set the start too far back so never posted. Really only from 27secs is needed. On the other hand, going back in the move so far as the vid does actually shows that at the turn I was ahead and rather than being aggressive and cutting in I eased off to allow the Audi have the corner because he was inside. I figured he'd fly up the inside to take that position, over run the corner and I'd take it back anyway. I was absolutely right up until the part where he came back onto the track. Considering that I felt all the more insulted by the penalty when the same damn car hit me. If you have the less than 1 minute to watch the entire thing you may at least feel comforted in the knowledge that you are not alone. How good the company you are in is another story, but you are definitely not alone;

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Sometimes I am waiting in the lobby for the race to start with 5 green bars, then when the countdown starts it drops to one red. Then it will rise to 3 yellow after half a lap. I try to fall back but there's no way I quit and loose all that SR when my connection might be OK again in half a lap.

And this happens with cable and with Wi-fi. I guess it's my ISP

The indications the server gives are a bit suspect now and then. I have seen red connections driving without a hitch and reporting 35 ms ping. But I've also seen green connections ping ponging over the screen. Ping measurements seem fishy as well. GTS reported 12ms for one laggy Argentinian driver, and just now 7ms ping for a 3 bar Brazilian. That's not even beating the laws of physics, that's completely ignoring them. It's minimum10ms round trip through 1000 km of fibre cable. Suppose the server is in Miami, to the closest city in Brazil, Boa Vista, 3200 km, 32ms minimum ping through a straight fibre cable without any hops. In reality, Brasilia to Miami is 172ms round trip.

I wouldn't rely on anything the GTS server reports :/

My connection to the EMEA servers is basically the exact same as my NA connection, I may actually be physically closer to the EMEA server though.

That's not the point though. You're used to driving with laggy connections, EMEA is used to driving with much less lag. So you do have a slight lag advantage driving on the EMEA servers.

You maybe be physcially closer to the EMEA server, but all the regulars on the EMEA server are still at least at half the distance.

But ehh, give them Europeans a taste of what we have to deal with on a daily basis

 

[The_Tullster]

....But I've also seen green connections ping ponging over the screen. Ping measurements seem fishy as well. GTS reported 12ms for one laggy Argentinian driver, and just now 7ms ping for a 3 bar Brazilian. That's not even beating the laws of physics, that's completely ignoring them. It's minimum10ms round trip through 1000 km of fibre cable. Suppose the server is in Miami, to the closest city in Brazil, Boa Vista, 3200 km, 32ms minimum ping through a straight fibre cable without any hops. In reality, Brasilia to Miami is 172ms round trip.

VPN anonimiser services and/or proxy servers. In some circumstances ping is measured to the VPN/proxy server, not the client. The in game results however are the result of the true round trip signal time.

Edit: Sometimes I think @pigems would "like" a post even if it only contained a picture of a turd (added after @pigems liked this post )

 

[Sven Jurgens]

VPN anonimiser services and/or proxy servers. In some circumstances ping is measured to the VPN/proxy server, not the client. The in game results however are the result of the true round trip signal time.

Edit: Sometimes I think @pigems would "like" a post even if it only contained a picture of a turd

That 7ms was in game results. I clicked on network quality of this laggy player after the race. It gave a full green diamond with 7ms ping. Yet perhaps PD has a one off index error in bringing up the results and that was actually the report of someone else. Common mistake in programming.

 

[The_Tullster]

That 7ms was in game results. I clicked on network quality of this laggy player after the race. It gave a full green diamond with 7ms ping.

I've seen game servers run ICMP echo requests outside the game communications stream, pinging the apparent client IP direct (though it's rare in newer games).

Yet perhaps PD has a one off index error in bringing up the results and that was actually the report of someone else. Common mistake in programming.

That also is a very possible explanation.

 

[Illum_Concept]

The indications the server gives are a bit suspect now and then. I have seen red connections driving without a hitch and reporting 35 ms ping. But I've also seen green connections ping ponging over the screen. Ping measurements seem fishy as well. GTS reported 12ms for one laggy Argentinian driver, and just now 7ms ping for a 3 bar Brazilian. That's not even beating the laws of physics, that's completely ignoring them. It's minimum10ms round trip through 1000 km of fibre cable. Suppose the server is in Miami, to the closest city in Brazil, Boa Vista, 3200 km, 32ms minimum ping through a straight fibre cable without any hops. In reality, Brasilia to Miami is 172ms round trip.

I wouldn't rely on anything the GTS server reports :/




That's not the point though. You're used to driving with laggy connections, EMEA is used to driving with much less lag. So you do have a slight lag advantage driving on the EMEA servers.

You maybe be physcially closer to the EMEA server, but all the regulars on the EMEA server are still at least at half the distance.

But ehh, give them Europeans a taste of what we have to deal with on a daily basis

I presume you are getting location from the in game flag alone? In which case, those with multiple accounts in different regions will know the flag can't always be trusted......

 

[6BK]

VPN anonimiser services and/or proxy servers. In some circumstances ping is measured to the VPN/proxy server, not the client. The in game results however are the result of the true round trip signal time.

Edit: Sometimes I think @pigems would "like" a post even if it only contained a picture of a turd (added after @pigems liked this post )

He liked one of mine before I posted it. Perhaps his account is set to auto like?

 

[EinsTheOne]

It's this simple, if you are getting yellow bars or less and/or ping in the hundreds of ms then get lost, otherwise race on

This statement is to an extent a bit ignorant...

The main server for the EMAE region is located in west Europe, there are no servers in Africa for instance...
So if we were to follow your logic, that would mean that everyone in Africa shouldn't play the online portion of the game, and if that's to be the case, then why would they sell us the game...

Here's something people need to understand, the distance between one client and the server isn't the only factor contributing to Lag...
The stability of the client's internet is arguably the most important factor...

Someone playing with a mobile phone connection in Europe will be far a bigger issue than someone playing with a fiber connection in Africa (my case)...

I have 3 yellow bars, but I don't cause any issues because my connection is stable (I have checked with players I befriended after races..)

 

[Granadier]

This week's daily races in gif form...

Race A:

Race B:

Race C:

 

[6BK]

@Granadier class!

Has anyone else had their lobbies rearrange the drivers while warm up is on? For example, the grid is obviously arranged in order of fastest qualifying but during warm up the order changes. It has happened me 3 times and every time a full DR B lobby so I can't be sure but it looks like the players have been sorted into DR Points order. It only occurs when the warm up countdown is on and once the race starts the cars are on the grid in their correct places. Obviously if the grid had A, B, C drivers it would be easier to confirm if it is DR order.

 

[The_Tullster]

@Granadier class!

Has anyone else had their lobbies rearrange the drivers while warm up is on? For example, the grid is obviously arranged in order of fastest qualifying but during warm up the order changes. It has happened me 3 times and every time a full DR B lobby so I can't be sure but it looks like the players have been sorted into DR Points order. It only occurs when the warm up countdown is on and once the race starts the cars are on the grid in their correct places. Obviously if the grid had A, B, C drivers it would be easier to confirm if it is DR order.

My lobbies arrange the player list by track / pit garage order while warmup is on...players on the track by track position and those who choose not to warm up at the "back" in garage order.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

@Granadier class!

Has anyone else had their lobbies rearrange the drivers while warm up is on? For example, the grid is obviously arranged in order of fastest qualifying but during warm up the order changes. It has happened me 3 times and every time a full DR B lobby so I can't be sure but it looks like the players have been sorted into DR Points order. It only occurs when the warm up countdown is on and once the race starts the cars are on the grid in their correct places. Obviously if the grid had A, B, C drivers it would be easier to confirm if it is DR order.

It happens every time for me. I think it has to do with placement on track during warm-up.

@Granadier post of the day!

 

[6BK]

@The_Tullster & @RacingGrandpa you both say the same, yet I never warm up and my lobbies always continued to show the cars in their qualifying places. Only recently has it started to show them in this order of warm up track position and even at that I'd say it's only happened a few times. It scared the crap out of me the first time because I had a 4th on grid but appeared near the bottom of the list. I thought it was going to be a PD glitch where the race would start and I'd still be at the back.

 

[250Cal]

Race C is a real test. It's amazing how much time you lose with someone just nudging the rear of your car and how often they can do it before they finally just nerf you to get by. The temptation just to punt them is so strong. My qually pace on my normal account is 1:11.2, my race pace from the back is typically mid to high 1:12s (with the people at the front doing mid 1:11s). Really difficult to maintain forward momentum. I've gained 300 DR total from my last two races but I doubt A or B offer much potential for forward progress with fields of A drivers who have qualified.

 

[Stencedaddy]

Race B is good fun as long as you get the right lobby. I love the 08 NSX but its so much easier to go flat out through the chicane of death in the GTRs. It feels good passing someone right after knowing its because you went flat out and they didnt.

But also it sucks ass when somebody decides to park in the chicane as you are trying to go through. It's rear end them or hit the wall.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I presume you are getting location from the in game flag alone? In which case, those with multiple accounts in different regions will know the flag can't always be trusted......

True, but I doubt many Americans race under a Brazilian flag. 3 yellow bars, car moving oddly in the race and 7ms ping, that does not compute.

@The_Tullster I get what you mean now. The network 'test' in game might simply report the connection to the vpn server when someone uses that. The bars in game should reflect the actual race lag although they sometimes seem off as well. I know one Canadian who's always stuck with 1 red bar, yet his car drives as smooth as any green bar connections. The bars do lag behind but his was red all race, every race. I also don't know what those mystery parameters are in the network test.

 

[The_Tullster]

@The_Tullster...I also don't know what those mystery parameters are in the network test.

I would also very much like to know what they are. Five parameters. Top is ping I'd guess from comparing network test to good and bad game ping days. Two of the others are likely download / upload bandwidth approximations. The others... packet loss up/down?....stability up/down?... who knows outside of PD . The test is useless as a diagnostic if you don't know what it's measuring. Without explanation it's only use is "Do I go online or not?" and even that requires you to go online before the test will run

 

[sturk0167]

Edit: Sometimes I think @pigems would "like" a post even if it only contained a picture of a turd (added after @pigems liked this post )

He liked one of mine before I posted it. Perhaps his account is set to auto like?

Pigems is very friendly, and wants everyone to feel included. I'd call it a good quality. 👍
Sometimes when I'm bored, I'll go to the discover section, and "like" all the photos and liveries I can find that don't have any, yet.
So, I get it.

 

[6BK]

Pigems is very friendly, and wants everyone to feel included. I'd call it a good quality. 👍
Sometimes when I'm bored, I'll go to the discover section, and "like" all the photos and liveries I can find that don't have any, yet.
So, I get it.

Don't get me wrong, I like it. The idea that there is a @Pigems out there to give my every post a like makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside and validates my very existence. Sometimes late at night when the "dark thoughts" return and the Samaratins phone line is engaged I check in here and reassure myself that life is indeed good because at least Pigems likes my posts so please, keep up the good work my friend.

On the other hand...

 

[Pigems]

Pigems is very friendly, and wants everyone to feel included. I'd call it a good quality. 👍
Sometimes when I'm bored, I'll go to the discover section, and "like" all the photos and liveries I can find that don't have any, yet.
So, I get it.

The way I see it, anyone attempting to contribute positively to the convo deserves a like in my books. 👍

 

[The_Tullster]

The way I see it, anyone attempting to contribute positively to the convo deserves a like in my books. 👍

Indeed

 

[GT5Power]

@Pigems' guaranteed like is part of what makes this thread great. It must feel very warm and welcoming to come here for the first time as a noob and get showered with likes.

 

[juanito0585]

Really enjoyed last week on race B. Such a nice track to push chasing another car and also with spots to overtake. I´ll share this replay because this one race was freakin awesome for me... I wasn´t expecting to be competitive after seeing the qualy times of the 2 cars in front of me!

 

[pedrocor]

Second week in a row where my lap times have decreased steadily as the week goes on. Setting decent quali times early on, but then never able to match or beat it later on.

Any tips from y'all more experienced drivers on ways to keep the pace up throughout the week?

You're trying to much, probably

 

[sundaydriving]

Edit: Sometimes I think @pigems would "like" a post even if it only contained a picture of a turd (added after @pigems liked this post )

Can confirm. I post a lot of turds. Somehow I still get the odd like. @Pigems is just being nice.