"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[seosamh77]

Well one things for sure, what ever they've done to the BOP settings for the G4 AMG, they've turned it into a big horrible boat! G3 AMG is good though, liking that on Suzuki. Interlagos is a horrible track at the minute, will try something else though.

In other news, finally getting to grips with the hard tyres!

 

[6BK]

Do any of you guys know if engine placement has an effect on front tire wear?
I only did one Interlagos race this morning, and at the end, the rear tires had held up significantly better than the fronts. I used the WRX.
I was just wondering if in the game, having less weight over the front tires (MR/RR) makes for better tire wear.

FWD should wear more to the front due to the drive.
RWD should wear more to the rear due to the drive.
A RWD with front engine wear less to the rear than a RWD with rear engine due to the weight of the engine and what axle it is over etc etc...

You know all that. So, given the 4WD wears both front and rear due to the drive, but the WRX has the engine over the front axle, you'd think it would wear more to the front since that axle has both drive and weight while the rear only has drive. However, and I'm not looking at the game specs but just working from how I recall the actual WRX STI split operates, the ratio of drive is adjustable as you have in the GrB cars but is set on the Gr4. The "pre-set" split was 40:60 (front to rear) on that model - SERIOUS DISCLAIMER IF ANYONE WANTS TO CORRECT ME...OFF YOU GO - which means that yes, weight is at the front and yes drive is at the front but more drive is at the rear.

Other factors would also come into play like brake balance, how the power is actually put down, traction control etc but that's my take on the simple FF, MR, RWD, AWD stuff. *crosses fingers and hopes he right*

@Winnie847 answered quicker because he talks less crap than I do.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

First attempt at Interlagos in the V8 Vantage went pretty badly. I had no clue how well it's for tyre wear, the answer is not great. By L9, my front-left tyre was 50% red and back tyres weren't as bad at 30%. Pitting might have been a good idea with this car, I'll try that next time.

I started P16/19 with no QT. I got punted off twice at Descida into the sand so ended up being last place twice. I crawled my way up positions to 9th until I unfortunately pit maneuvered an out of control fellow V8 at Junção, so 4 second penalty it was.

Third attempt at trying to gain back places didn't end up successful. I only managed to pass a Scirocco on the final lap that looked like it was being driven by a drunk, swirling all away around the track until it went off at Pinheirinho.

The race had 6 DNFs which made my result not look as awful , finished 12th.

 

[sturk0167]

@Winnie847, @6BK, it sounds like a FR car should have the most balanced front/rear tire wear.
That's good. I'd like to try that race with the Vantage, Viper, and F-Type. 👍

Edit: Look at what Tea Leaves just wrote.

 

[Voodoovaj]

So, there's another annoying little quirk I've noticed, and I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed it.

When I get on the gas exiting a corner, sometimes it's as if the diff locks in such a way as to prevent the car from turning. about three times in the last week, I slowed to enter a corner and exited the way I normally would, but the car would start to turn, then just straighten out somewhat and I would go right off track.

Just me?

Anyway, I'm actually glad to see Suzuka. I usually do well there

 

[RacingGrandpa]

So, there's another annoying little quirk I've noticed, and I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed it.

When I get on the gas exiting a corner, sometimes it's as if the diff locks in such a way as to prevent the car from turning. about three times in the last week, I slowed to enter a corner and exited the way I normally would, but the car would start to turn, then just straighten out somewhat and I would go right off track.

Just me?

Anyway, I'm actually glad to see Suzuka. I usually do well there

That happened to me about 3 times on Interlagos and once on Suzuka. I thought my controller was shot

 

[6BK]

@sturk0167

it sounds like a FR car should have the most balanced front/rear tire wear.
That's good. I'd like to try that race with the Vantage, Viper, and F-Type.

Hence my comment a couple of days back when the race was mentioned:

As for Interlagos, would the Jag go well considering it has good top end speed for the straight and the FR car should be better tyre wear than FF and AWD? I can’t recall the last Daily C with Gr4 on a track I like.

Yes, FR cars in real life are very well balanced. Weight to the front, drive to the rear. Other factors are also at play too though. The FF cars like Megane should absolutely eat tyres with both drive and weight there. Unfortunately the FR Gr4 cars have unrealistic straight line speed and the race is not long enough to really kill the tyres so these may still perform - not been online to see. But if @Tea_Leaves is suffering that tyre wear what else do we ask? For example, yes, he has 50% wear on front of the Vantage but does that mean he would have 90% if it was a Megane? Did he have brake balance all the way to the front? Was he finding it difficult to control the car so causing excess wear? No insult on Tea_Leaves, he's probably a far better driver than I but for his point to be considered it would have to be weighed up with all the facts.

I still reckon the Jag will be nice but I'll probably end up racing the bloody Megane again.

 

[Leftcurl]

Those of you who race in the American region know this is a bad looking situation.
I had zero interest in getting in between those two. I opted for the conservative approach, hung back and let it work itself out. 💡
It didn't take very long. Such a predictable outcome.

haha... this was the 2 drivers before the race...

 

[Winnie847]

Even though FR cars generally do have more manageable tire wear in this game that can be managed even more by brake balance, there are still a few of them that have terrible tire-wear. The Gr.4 Aston is one of them if I remember correctly. Personally I'd go with the Lexus. It has good straight line speed, and doesn't understeer as much as some of the other FR power cars and performs a little better on tire wear. There's always the Toyota 86 too, it has the best straight line speed of all the smaller handling cars I think...aside from FF cars of course. Having said that, I think Interlagos was one of the many tracks that had the pit lane shortened. So choosing a faster car and doing a one-stop might not be a bad choice. I'd have to try it and see. It will be hard to contest with the Jag though, amazing straight line speed and tire wear is bad but not as bad as some other, slower FR cars.

 

[Redneckchef]

@sturk0167

Hence my comment a couple of days back when the race was mentioned:


Yes, FR cars in real life are very well balanced. Weight to the front, drive to the rear. Other factors are also at play too though. The FF cars like Megane should absolutely eat tyres with both drive and weight there. Unfortunately the FR Gr4 cars have unrealistic straight line speed and the race is not long enough to really kill the tyres so these may still perform - not been online to see. But if @Tea_Leaves is suffering that tyre wear what else do we ask? For example, yes, he has 50% wear on front of the Vantage but does that mean he would have 90% if it was a Megane? Did he have brake balance all the way to the front? Was he finding it difficult to control the car so causing excess wear? No insult on Tea_Leaves, he's probably a far better driver than I but for his point to be considered it would have to be weighed up with all the facts.

I still reckon the Jag will be nice but I'll probably end up racing the bloody Megane again.

I was managing my tire wear in the jag and was getting the tires to last, but by last lap I was 50pct gone on front right. I am not the greatest at that sort of thing but in the first race I was able to pass a few cars near the end. Second race I had the crash early which didn't help my tires and some other cars around me were much more stable by the end but I stupidly didn't check what they were.

It made a huge difference setting up for super smooth turns and clean straight exits of the sharp turns but the crowds there on a monday make it difficult. Think tire wear is different now as well. One A driver who normally kills me there in his mustang was struggling really bad in my second race. Tried coming from the back and was the only one running at the end that I beat, and it was by 15 seconds.

 

[sturk0167]

@sturk0167

Hence my comment a couple of days back when the race was mentioned:


Yes, FR cars in real life are very well balanced. Weight to the front, drive to the rear. Other factors are also at play too though. The FF cars like Megane should absolutely eat tyres with both drive and weight there. Unfortunately the FR Gr4 cars have unrealistic straight line speed and the race is not long enough to really kill the tyres so these may still perform - not been online to see. But if @Tea_Leaves is suffering that tyre wear what else do we ask? For example, yes, he has 50% wear on front of the Vantage but does that mean he would have 90% if it was a Megane? Did he have brake balance all the way to the front? Was he finding it difficult to control the car so causing excess wear? No insult on Tea_Leaves, he's probably a far better driver than I but for his point to be considered it would have to be weighed up with all the facts.

I still reckon the Jag will be nice but I'll probably end up racing the bloody Megane again.

I suppose I should do more races before attempting to draw any conclusions. I was definitely thinking that with a FR car, I should be using rear brake bias.
To put things in perspective, it's worth noting that even though I felt the front tire wear on the WRX was pretty bad, I did go from 16th to 2nd (Alt acct. SR B group). So maybe it was just as bad for everybody else.
The winner was the pole-sitter in a Huracan (only 2 of them in the race). Third place was a Megane Trophy, that was competitive until the end.

 

[6BK]

Even though FR cars generally do have more manageable tire wear in this game that can be managed even more by brake balance, there are still a few of them that have terrible tire-wear. The Gr.4 Aston is one of them if I remember correctly. Personally I'd go with the Lexus. It has good straight line speed, and doesn't understeer as much as some of the other FR power cars and performs a little better on tire wear. There's always the Toyota 86 too, it has the best straight line speed of all the smaller handling cars I think...aside from FF cars of course. Having said that, I think the Interlagos was one of the many tracks that had the pit lane shortened. So choosing a faster car and doing a one-stop might not be a bad choice. I'd have to try it and see. It will be hard to contest with the Jag though, amazing straight line speed and tire wear is bad but not as bad as some other, slower FR cars.

I was managing my tire wear in the jag and was getting the tires to last, but by last lap I was 50pct gone on front right. I am not the greatest at that sort of thing but in the first race I was able to pass a few cars near the end. Second race I had the crash early which didn't help my tires and some other cars around me were much more stable by the end but I stupidly didn't check what they were.

It made a huge difference setting up for super smooth turns and clean straight exits of the sharp turns but the crowds there on a monday make it difficult. Think tire wear is different now as well. One A driver who normally kills me there in his mustang was struggling really bad in my second race. Tried coming from the back and was the only one running at the end that I beat, and it was by 15 seconds.

My thought's (again without having raced - and being slower than you both) is that the FR cars will be on very poor tyres by the end with a no stop. With a short pit the Megane on a 1 stop could make up whatever speed it lost in the pits by being on fresh rubber at the end. If you are going to use a FR car and pit it totally falls prey to the FF cars. I'd really love to race the Jag though.

So maybe it was just as bad for everybody else.

Not an exact quote but the Irish cyclist Sean Kelly reputedly said that when he was racing and suffering he would remind himself that the other guys were also suffering. Then he'd make them suffer more.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Then he'd make them suffer more.

How? Did he make them listen to his Eurosport commentary?

 

[250Cal]

How? Did he make them listen to his Eurosport commentary?

Boooooooom!

 

[Redneckchef]

My thought's (again without having raced - and being slower than you both) is that the FR cars will be on very poor tyres by the end with a no stop. With a short pit the Megane on a 1 stop could make up whatever speed it lost in the pits by being on fresh rubber at the end. If you are going to use a FR car and pit it totally falls prey to the FF cars. I'd really love to race the Jag though.

Thanks for the vote of confidence but I don't think I am any faster. Give the jag a go. My lap times were dropping off enough near the end to make me question stopping. I was doing mid-high 1:43 laps at the end and with a drop off of 2 seconds a lap by then. If no one else goes for it I might have to do a test run to check time spent in pits to see the trade off. I am just a bit crap at passing there so not sure how much track position vs tire wear helps.

 

[S A Debre]

SR-E is a very strange place right now. Just had a race there after somehow managing to get 14 seconds of penalty in the course of like five seconds during the previous race and ragequitting. I was expecting it to be a huge shítshow but it actually ended up being the cleanest race I've had at Interlagos so far. Perhaps everyone else was in the same boat as me, trying to gain back SR points after a couple of horrible races(?)

There was also a really weird moment I noticed while watching the replay. So I was in the middle of analyzing an incident I had with a GT-R (he lagged into me on T1, I bumped into him while trying to stay on track into T2, got a 2.5sec penalty, fair enough) and I got a bit curious because I didn't remember his name above mine on the results screen, nor did I recall overtaking him again. Turns out he got into a bit of a traffic jam going into T4 a couple of laps later, gained a couple of positions and was about to enter T6 just behind a Viper in P3...

So... what did he do?

A: Entered T6 like a normal human being
B: Randomly decided to drive through the grass at full speed trying to ram the Viper, missed by an entire car length, crashed into the wall, got a 5sec penalty and quit the race

I will reveal the answer on 2019-12-29, stay tuned!

 

[Pearl Jam]

Goodwood in the Clio is seriously good fun

 

[6BK]

How? Did he make them listen to his Eurosport commentary?

Their tyres are suffering from “deh fahteege”.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

But if @Tea_Leaves is suffering that tyre wear what else do we ask? For example, yes, he has 50% wear on front of the Vantage but does that mean he would have 90% if it was a Megane? Did he have brake balance all the way to the front? Was he finding it difficult to control the car so causing excess wear?

Edit: Look at what Tea Leaves just wrote.

Huh. I didn't think this would blow up into a debate.

My race isn't the best example. I got punted off into the sand twice (i.e. not good for tyres) and I had no practice so I likely overbaked my braking in some areas. I wasn't suffering with the tyres nor did I have difficulty controlling my car for all 11 laps. I thought tyre wear didn't seem great and below expectations although I haven't raced any other car with this combo (like I said, first attempt) so I can't draw comparisons.

I'd screenshot tyre wear but I didn't save the replay since it was a bad race. From memory (so, not 100% accurate) my front-left was at halfway. Front-right was a bit less worn.

but for his point to be considered it would have to be weighed up with all the facts.

Lastly, I wasn't trying to make a point of or open a debate about an FR's tyre wear. I posted a summary of my race.

Even though FR cars generally do have more manageable tire wear in this game that can be managed even more by brake balance, there are still a few of them that have terrible tire-wear. The Gr.4 Aston is one of them if I remember correctly.

I guess I might not be crazy after all. I'm inclined to agree.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Last time we had Gr. 3 at Suzuka, I had a 1:59.927 with the R8 LMS.

I just got a 2:00.000 with the 911 RSR. As much as I want to improve that time, I don't want to go away from getting an exact time. This time is too satisfying to improve upon.

And off I go, have a good day everyone.

 

[6BK]

Huh. I didn't think this would blow up into a debate.

My race isn't the best example. I got punted off into the sand twice (i.e. not good for tyres) and I had no practice so I likely overbaked my braking in some areas. I wasn't suffering with the tyres nor did I have difficulty controlling my car for all 11 laps. I thought tyre wear didn't seem great and below expectations although I haven't raced any other car with this combo (like I said, first attempt) so I can't draw comparisons.

I'd screenshot tyre wear but I didn't save the replay since it was a bad race. From memory (so, not 100% accurate) my front-left was at halfway. Front-right was a bit less worn.




Lastly, I wasn't trying to make a point of or open a debate about an FR's tyre wear. I posted a summary of my race.

No debate at all, just polite conversation. @sturk0167 simply noted your comment so I used it as an example. Anyone else could have posted any different observations and they would have served as an example. Yours was just the closest one to hand.

At least now you know we actually read your race report. You are not alone.

P.S. It’s all Sturk’s fault.

 

[S A Debre]

I just got a 2:00.000 with the 911 RSR.

That's it, you're not allowed to do qualifying for Race B anymore, this time needs to be protected.

 

[GT5Power]

Is it a Greek national holiday or something? You lot must have nothing to do on a Monday morning. 3 Greek drivers in the top 10 EMEA list (4 in the top 20).

Nope, remember we're also 2h ahead I just happened to have no lectures in the afternoon so I got on to do some TT. About the other guys, well I know one of them regularly does the 2:40am FIA slot, so he probably has quite a bit of time on his hands

You'll see this again next Monday though, because that is a national holiday

 

[koshmare]

Hot laps is here.

 

[Lateralus5813]

Did 3 C races this afternoon and really liked it! This is the first time I'm trying them, btw.

Tire wear adds so much to the race, it makes it much more fun and challenging. Having to change where you brake each lap is an interesting concept.

However, I don't understand why they make the race in a way that fuel doesn't matter and why there are no tire options. Why??

I'll try Suzuka but I confess I'm kind of afraid of it.

 

[Redneckchef]

Did 3 C races this afternoon and really liked it! This is the first time I'm trying them, btw.

Tire wear adds so much to the race, it makes it much more fun and challenging. Having to change where you brake each lap is an interesting concept.

However, I don't understand why they make the race in a way that fuel doesn't matter and why there are no tire options. Why??

I'll try Suzuka but I confess I'm kind of afraid of it.

You are not alone with Suzuka. I know the track reasonably well and am more afraid of it than DT Seaside for some reason. I just get blown out of the way by everyone else when we are there. Not by pushing or punting, just seem to have it all wrong

 

[MIE1992]

So what drivetrain is good for qualifying vs. racing in Race C? I haven't tried it yet, but I'm thinking of using an FR car for the race since that's the only drivetrain that doesn't have power going to the front wheels, thus resulting in less tire wear. But at the same time, I could see an FF/4WD car still being good if you fiddle with the brake balance, specifically by moving it rearward.

EDIT: Looks like it’s almost entirely 4WD/MR/FR cars. But why wouldn’t it be viable to use an FF car and then just move the brake balance to the rear? Could it be because of the two low-gear turns after the starting line and the first checkpoint? I do have a time of 1:39.926 with the Genesis Gr.4; I think it and the Gr.3 version could use a minute buff.

 

[Voodoovaj]

That happened to me about 3 times on Interlagos and once on Suzuka. I thought my controller was shot

Ya. It happened to me twice in a race just now. I was watching the steering indicator and it looks like the buffer they use for the controller input is messed up. When I hit the throttle, the steering would just start to straighten out too much. I know it kind of does this normally, but it seems a little broken now.

 

[Granadier]

Hot laps is here.

Every week I wait for you to pop in with quality videos and to absolutely destroy lap times. Good stuff.

 

[Ashthebash]

Put the McLaren in the top 10, just to prove the point I made yesterday night

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Great lap @ASH32

Superb lap, by both you and @ASH32.

When I initially saw that picture I thought it was your friends list and I felt very inadequate with my lap! Feel a bit better now knowing it was top 10. Reckon I'll be joining you in the 37s when I have a run tomorrow (but still a couple of tenths off I think), then will get into some racing