"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Groundfish]

Switched to the Huracan for some race Cs. Outright pace over a lap is better, overall race time not too different as the 86 will do 41s all day, whereas the Huracan will drop off to 42s by the end.

Experiencing the full joys of midfield racing. This is a standard first lap.



And some first class punting.



Note the overspeed Huracan vs Megane Trophy. I squeezed him through T1 to compromise his T2 and T3 for an overtake into T4, but left him a car's width. He carried on his normal T2 line so he pushed me off at T3 and gets a pen. Then the side swiping starts, then the nerfing and then the punt. He picked up 8 second penalties for all that but actually cost me more like 10 or 11 seconds.

I would have punted you too if you divebombed me t1 like that.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Sure man, what settings did you use?

I find it strange that we have never had any lobby issues in my Saturday races? Like literally not one that I can remember.

Could it be the NAT Type? I'm at NAT Type 2.

Settings are in spoiler:

Spoiler

13:00 - Fine Weather
76 laps (150+ miles)
Rolling Start
Tire: x8
Fuel: x2
Gr. 3
BOP on
Slipstream: Real
Visible Damage: On
Mechanical Damage: Light
Initial fuel: Default
Grip on Track Edge: Real
Overtake System: Default
Power and Weight limits (Min and Max): No Limit
Ghosting During Race: Weak
Shortcut Penalty: Weak
Wall Collision Penalty: Time Penalty (Weak)
Side Contact Penalty: On
Correct Vehicle Course After Wall Collision: On
Replace Cars When They Leave The Track: Off
Flag Rules: On
Ghost-Lapped Cars: Off
Countersteer Assist: No Limit
Active Stability Management: No Limit
Traction Control: No Limit
Driving Line Assist: No Limit
ABS: No Limit
Auto-Drive: Prohibited

 

[250Cal]

I would have punted you too if you divebombed me t1 like that.

I'd recommend you avoid Race C.

 

[Groundfish]

I'd recommend you avoid Race C.

I’m not looking for a fight, but you did not earn the right to apex by swerving out late.
The real trick there that I have seen some of my South American friends use works like this...
You are on the car a heads bumper coming into t1 and force them to try to defend inside...
They go inside to defend...
You go RIDICULOUSLY far inside brushing their car and putting 4 wheels off track on the inside in your car cutting the inside.
They will get a pen.
I did three races last night had about 39-40 overtakes.
I did not use the exploit I just explained.
I don’t tolerate the barge or nose stick you did there.
You will find trouble if you pull that on Americas server like you showed.

 

[05XR8]

I'm happy to see people competitive with the '86. I was going to try it last night but figured it was just too under powered. Is it safe to say that the strategy with the 86 is to not stop and pick off drivers as they pit? How is the tire wear?

No need to pit. There may be one or two cars pitting. Don't count on it though. The 86 stays consistent and can push all race. I don't change brake bias, haven't experienced any lock up. I do have to keep momentum up, as it's not fast on the straights. I posted a video a couple pages back. With that handling and good tyre wear, it's stable everywhere.

 

[Pigems]

Could it be the NAT Type? I'm at NAT Type 2.

Settings are in spoiler:

Spoiler

13:00 - Fine Weather
76 laps (150+ miles)
Rolling Start
Tire: x8
Fuel: x2
Gr. 3
BOP on
Slipstream: Real
Visible Damage: On
Mechanical Damage: Light
Initial fuel: Default
Grip on Track Edge: Real
Overtake System: Default
Power and Weight limits (Min and Max): No Limit
Ghosting During Race: Weak
Shortcut Penalty: Weak
Wall Collision Penalty: Time Penalty (Weak)
Side Contact Penalty: On
Correct Vehicle Course After Wall Collision: On
Replace Cars When They Leave The Track: Off
Flag Rules: On
Ghost-Lapped Cars: Off
Countersteer Assist: No Limit
Active Stability Management: No Limit
Traction Control: No Limit
Driving Line Assist: No Limit
ABS: No Limit
Auto-Drive: Prohibited

TYVM Sir! I have no idea what Nat Type even means, is that something that can be changed? I just plugged the cord into the internet box thingy and ran with it. I guess I got lucky on the internet settings part of things. How can I check what my settings are?

I didn’t realize there was no min/max weight and power settings the other night, I was running a stock GTR!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

TYVM Sir! I have no idea what Nat Type even means, is that something that can be changed? I just plugged the cord into the internet box thingy and ran with it. I guess I got lucky on the internet settings part of things. How can I check what my settings are?

I didn’t realize there was no min/max weight and power settings the other night, I was running a stick GTR!

Go to settings, network, test network. It will tell you what your NAT is. Likely 2

 

[DigDugJones]

No need to pit. There may be one or two cars pitting. Don't count on it though. The 86 stays consistent and can push all race. I don't change brake bias, haven't experienced any lock up. I do have to keep momentum up, as it's not fast on the straights. I posted a video a couple pages back. With that handling and good tyre wear, it's stable everywhere.

Thanks, looking forward to trying it later. It's one of my favorite cars that I seldom get to use.

 

[Famine]

I have no idea what Nat Type even means

In essence, your router (the thing that plugs into the outside world) has a small amount of addresses (called IP addresses) that it assigns to the devices connecting to it. It receives information from the outside world, works out which device it has to go to and sends it there. Your device also sends information to it, which the router translates to show which device it has come from, and sends it out. This is a function known as "Network Address Translation" (NAT). Now you know what "NAT Type" means - the type of NAT currently used. NAT Type 2 is best and NAT Type 3 is the worst, for really boring reasons. If you have NAT Type 3 you will absolutely need to do the rest of this list.

is that something that can be changed?

That's a "Yes, but" answer.

 

[250Cal]

I’m not looking for a fight, but you did not earn the right to apex by swerving out late.
The real trick there that I have seen some of my South American friends use works like this...
You are on the car a heads bumper coming into t1 and force them to try to defend inside...
They go inside to defend...
You go RIDICULOUSLY far inside brushing their car and putting 4 wheels off track on the inside in your car cutting the inside.
They will get a pen.
I did three races last night had about 39-40 overtakes.
I did not use the exploit I just explained.
I don’t tolerate the barge or nose stick you did there.
You will find trouble if you pull that on Americas server like you showed.

Interesting. Overtakes like this are normal at DR S / SR S in my experience, including FIA, in fact, the vast majority are way more forceful but always good to hear a different view.

The right to which Apex? I didn't go anywhere near the apex at T2, so I assume you mean T1? I was lapping about 1.5 secs a lap quicker than the other driver, having started last. At this point I've a 10mph overspeed, move over early, brake in the right place and there's loads of space - no defence or block from them. Which barge? I assume you mean any contact? I even check my speed to make sure I don't push him off, leave room and T2 is all theirs as all I'm trying to do is compromise their speed through there on to the straight, but they failed to take it.

Once my DR A job is done, I might join the Americas server just for ***** and grins. I've never raced on them and don't mind a punt fest when there's no DR/SR at stake.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

C: Awesome, one of the best combos. Fuel and tyre multipliers are the same as last time so similar strategy should apply.

Thanks for finding that, exact same setup then. I guess I'll be driving all GR.3 cars again to see what has changed. It was a lot of fuel saving last time, lot of short shifting to make it. Pit stops were still slower though, however that was before the pit stop sequence got sped up.

Better start preparing for the Monday madness. Last time only 1/3rd of the grid qualified on Monday. 'Luckily' my DR is down the drain from last weeks B races and Interlagos this week (17K left) so more chance to start further back. Perhaps a little self inflicted DR reset Sunday night might help a good start. (No need to bash traffic to do that, simply drive back and forth on the straight while ghosted, collect SR Downs) Starting 6th to 10th in front of another 10 to 14 non qualifiers did not go well.

 

[GTP_TO Blue]

Interesting. Overtakes like this are normal at DR S / SR S in my experience, including FIA, in fact, the vast majority are way more forceful but always good to hear a different view.

The right to which Apex? I didn't go anywhere near the apex at T2, so I assume you mean T1? I was lapping about 1.5 secs a lap quicker than the other driver, having started last. At this point I've a 10mph overspeed, move over early, brake in the right place and there's loads of space - no defence or block from them. Which barge? I assume you mean any contact? I even check my speed to make sure I don't push him off, leave room and T2 is all theirs as all I'm trying to do is compromise their speed through there on to the straight, but they failed to take it.

Once my DR A job is done, I might join the Americas server just for ***** and grins. I've never raced on them and don't mind a punt fest when there's no DR/SR at stake.

Did you really have the corner though?

 

[Groundfish]

Interesting. Overtakes like this are normal at DR S / SR S in my experience, including FIA, in fact, the vast majority are way more forceful but always good to hear a different view.

The right to which Apex? I didn't go anywhere near the apex at T2, so I assume you mean T1? I was lapping about 1.5 secs a lap quicker than the other driver, having started last. At this point I've a 10mph overspeed, move over early, brake in the right place and there's loads of space - no defence or block from them. Which barge? I assume you mean any contact? I even check my speed to make sure I don't push him off, leave room and T2 is all theirs as all I'm trying to do is compromise their speed through there on to the straight, but they failed to take it.

Once my DR A job is done, I might join the Americas server just for ***** and grins. I've never raced on them and don't mind a punt fest when there's no DR/SR at stake.

It doesn’t matter if you are ten seconds a lap faster than the guy ahead.
It doesn’t give you the right to cut in with insufficient overlap.

 

[GTP_TO Blue]

It doesn’t matter if you are ten seconds a lap faster than the guy ahead.
It doesn’t give you the right to cut in with insufficient overlap.
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But it does as give them the "right" as they are a DR/A...........this is how the majority of DR/A racers drive/game.

 

[250Cal]

It doesn’t matter if you are ten seconds a lap faster than the guy ahead.
It doesn’t give you the right to cut in with insufficient overlap.
Read a book

LOL at the indignation with no explanation. Glad you're not looking to pick a fight.

I did ask what you meant about several aspects previously. Now, I'll ask what you mean by "cutting in"? And what book would that be? I see worse than that on the World Tour, but as I say it's helpful to hear other views.

 

[Oswald07]

Had to watch the replay to figure out where this yellow car came from. I was in the F-Type having a great race running in third...until this and I got a 5 second penalty. And this was an A S rated lobby.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Sigh, PD fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it

Tap, take a short cut, so frigging dirty.

I got punted earlier and sandwiched in the beginning, red S, -4 SR.

It's really terrible. I don't see this helping at all. All this penalty does is upset me. It doesn't change my style. It is literally nothing but an exploit at this time. It was better when the penalties were relative to the force on an impact. Whether someone is forced off road or not is irrelevant.

I mean, I can be dive bombed and knocked all the way to the edge of the track, but not go off, and the culprit gets away with nothing. At the same time, that same person, can take a short cut after that impact, and I would get the penalty. HORRIBLE!

 

[Groundfish]

But it does as give them the "right" as they are a DR/A...........this is how the majority of DR/A racers drive/game.

Not in my experience.
I’ve found applying standard real world etiquette works a treat for online.
Sure, there are people ignorant of convention such as the Huracan clip driver above. That’s why I posted the pic from one of Bentley’s books.
The vast majority of races online at A S on America’s server are proper.
That’s not standard to me the late swerve barge pass.
But I don’t know anything.
Carry on I am out.
I was only trying to offer some help but clearly top 1 percent on America’s server means jack to some.

 

[GTP_TO Blue]

Not in my experience.
I’ve found applying standard real world etiquette works a treat for online.
Sure, there are people ignorant of convention such as the Huracan clip driver above. That’s why I posted the pic from one of Bentley’s books.
The vast majority of races online at A S on America’s server are proper.
That’s not standard to me the late swerve barge pass.
But I don’t know anything.
Carry on I am out.
I was only trying to offer some help but clearly top 1 percent on America’s server means jack to some.

I was being sarcastic in that they had the right to the corner, when they clearly didn't

 

[DelboyD]

Pretty good sessions hot lapping last couple of nights.

Last night at Suzuka, I managed a 2:01.444 in the BMW M3. Hardly ever use this car. Rarely see anyone else in it. Felt like it could be thrown around a bit and it would forgive me. Last time we here in Gr3 I used the Audi and was way too inconsistent in it.
Gonna go back to try for a sub 2:01 later in the week.
(I had a mid 2:01 in the Subaru too)

Tonight, on to Goodwood....
I tried my wheel settings from last time we were here in the Clio - first thoughts....I'm an idiot! These settings are rubbish! What was I thinking?!
Used some wheel settings for MR GR3 cars - Yes! Come alive! Hit a 1:28.780!

Tomorrow night, I'll try Interlagos. That should leave the weekend to pick a race to focus on and get my DR up a bit.

 

[Oswald07]

It's really terrible. I don't see this helping at all. All this penalty does is upset me. It doesn't change my style. It is literally nothing but an exploit at this time. It was better when the penalties were relative to the force on an impact. Whether someone is forced off road or not is irrelevant.

I mean, I can be dive bombed and knocked all the way to the edge of the track, but not go off, and the culprit gets away with nothing. At the same time, that same person, can take a short cut after that impact, and I would get the penalty. HORRIBLE!

Simple if someone hits the back of your car the penalty should be on them. Unfortunately there will alway be brake checkers.

 

[250Cal]

Not in my experience.
I’ve found applying standard real world etiquette works a treat for online.
Sure, there are people ignorant of convention such as the Huracan clip driver above. That’s why I posted the pic from one of Bentley’s books.
The vast majority of races online at A S on America’s server are proper.
That’s not standard to me the late swerve barge pass.
But I don’t know anything.
Carry on I am out.
I was only trying to offer some help but clearly top 1 percent on America’s server means jack to some.

Jeez. You OK, hun?

Far from dismissing your observations I've asked you to explain them but you've had some sort of flounce.

 

[sundaydriving]

It doesn’t matter if you are ten seconds a lap faster than the guy ahead.
It doesn’t give you the right to cut in with insufficient overlap.
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The first corner at interlagos is not a hairpin. In any case, unless theres contact the player on the outside (in both pics) controls the corner and should be able to keep position (if they're both careful) through to t3.

 

[sturk0167]

Thinking about Big Willow, I was looking at some of my clips from the last race there.

This was fun. 3 wide through the last turn, without anyone going off track.
It only works if someone backs off before the end of the corner, where it tightens.


These next two were wrong place, wrong time kind of stuff.




I'm very much looking forward to doing it again. I'm gonna do a crazy amount of practice, so I can get some poles and hopefully drive away from the contact.
Can't wait to get home and get started.

 

[Trone_Colby]

So a no stop is the way to go for race c?

 

[GTP_TO Blue]

^^^^ Yup.

 

[sundaydriving]

So a no stop is the way to go for race c?

Yes

 

[Mr P]

Been running the Clio @ Goodwood and after scraping 9th in EU I noticed I went off on the last rumbles by a few inches.. anyway spent the next hour trying to beat it clean with no joy.. so left the session and went in with fresh car and no ghost and beat it within 10 laps 👍 still a few tenths up for grabs but here's my best lap so far within the track limits



This little car is awesome to drive 👍

 

[250Cal]

So a no stop is the way to go for race c?

Yup. And moves into T1.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Jeez. You OK, hun?

Far from dismissing your observations I've asked you to explain them but you've had some sort of flounce.

Check the rules of racing.

A. You do not have significant overlap before turn in, you have no right to the apex.
B. You do not beat the other car to the apex, you have no right to the apex.
C. You are behind at corner exit at T2, therefore you have no right to space at corner exit

You make contact and go wide in T2 giving him a penalty. 100% your fault according to any rules out there.