"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[sturk0167]

I wasn't even attempting to overtake at that point.

I do that all the time, completely unintentionally, because I'm still lousy at braking properly when following another car.

It's *all* sturk's fault!

It was probably that clown, McMurphy.

 

[Redneckchef]

I do that all the time, completely unintentionally, because I'm still lousy at braking properly when following another car.


It was probably that clown, McMurphy.

That pull out of the slipstream braking move is a favorite of mine because I almost always have trouble with braking points while close behind. My video from DTS last week was one if those. Went way inside to avoid the slipstream but also made sure line would have been clear for the person to pass through with no trouble. That lasted until a bowling ball or 2 came through and wiped us out.

 

[Invisigoth]

He lives!
@Invisigoth
I thought I sensed a disturbance in the force...

I find your lack of faith......disturbing...

I do that all the time, completely unintentionally, because I'm still lousy at braking properly when following another car.

I've gotten into the habit of braking early when I'm following from slipstream, because I know I'm carrying more speed than normal. Still sometimes find that their brakes are better than mine and I tap them any way. I used to pull out to try braking the slip stream, that that just left me too far on the inside to corner comfortably.

 

[sturk0167]

That pull out of the slipstream braking move is a favorite of mine because I almost always have trouble with braking points while close behind. My video from DTS last week was one if those. Went way inside to avoid the slipstream but also made sure line would have been clear for the person to pass through with no trouble. That lasted until a bowling ball or 2 came through and wiped us out.

I figured I wasn't alone. Usually the guy in front is on the outside when approaching a turn, so to get out of his slipstream, I gotta go low.
There are probably ton of times when people think they're being divebombed, but in reality the other car is just swerving around them to avoid wiping them out. I crash myself frequently to avoid smashing an innocent bystander, and I assume to them it looks like a failed divebomb attempt.
Every race has some misunderstandings.

 

[Pigems]

Going Live for a couple race C’s, 3 laps warmup.

 

[250Cal]

I’m not sure if you are laughing at me, with me, or are simply uncomfortable.
Anyways prepare for one more wall of text before I am back off on a trip in country.
So there’s a yellow racing line the game provides under driving aids, cones markers lines...
Now, is that line good? What’s good about it?
It’s a racing line.
This line produces excellent results in gt cars if driven properly and consistently. That means having the car at the highest grip limit of the tires your abilities at managing its balance can produce.
As it relates to etiquette, in a race racers are pushing to ‘drive the limit’
Racing line provides some margin, not much but a bit more than say qual which is kinda ridiculous in games imo.
A car at the limit is on let’s just say a trajectory. In the video where you barged passed and contacted the car ahead neither of you were close to the limit, but that’s another story...
The car ahead had a big gap from you entering the braking zone and was turning in on the normal racing line.
You did not pull alongside entering braking, that cars driver basically had no way to see you coming.
He’s driving the racing line best he can. All of a sudden WHACK you’re there mid corner entry.
That ain’t right.
Racing is being on or near the limit of grip on the racing line. If you are doing this you CANNOT adjust the cars trajectory instantaneously. If you are below the limit you can alter your line almost anywhere on the track within reason.
You did not present yourself as alongside the other car early enough, everything about that move was late late late.
Then it resulted in contact, and both cars on compromised line with less speed.
You were playing at that moment as if no one else had a right to the track, as if no other humans were competing.
It reminds of what people do to AI.
Anyhow, the yellow racing line provided by gt sport can be driven very consistently and effectively and produce times much faster than 75 percent of drivers can do.
With the proper input fidelity they are plenty quick, but, most people ignore them, and maybe don’t know what a racing line really means.
Watch some racing, when the cars are all kinda in a line running laps at breakneck speed, often they are in a very similar lines.
With pros they all know where the line is, they are all driving on the limit or pretty close (not out of control)
If you wanna understand driving at the limit watch like @Pigems in a Nissan GT-R n300 enter turn one at Suzuka when he hits it right.
The car is not actually going in the direction the steering wheel is pointed exactly, there’s a slip angle deal happening there.
Irl there’s a variation in degrees of slip angle for tires that produce ideal grip and wear characteristics but I digress. Slip angle is a thing.
Anyways, racing etiquette has formed up the way it is because irl it’s quite dangerous to place your car on a trajectory that coincides with another cars trajectory.
This can lead to death and much expense.
So in racing you have to know the other driver has a good awareness of your position.
Irl coming in late and causing contact is gonna cost a lotta money, ruin cars, kill people, and cause fights.
In racing the best place to pass is on the straight, it’s safest and easiest to get a run. Under braking and entry is a little more dangerous, mid corner is by far the riskiest way to go by...
In sport mode many drivers midpack try all their moves in the corners at lower levels, they have not learned this slows everyone down and creates packs.
The generalized concepts are
be fast down the straight
Never touch other cars
Never touch other cars under braking espescially the car ahead of you
If you are planning to take the inside under braking and into corner entry, you should be nose to nose by the beginning of normal braking.
Prioritize corner exit speed.
Exit speed leads to straightaway speed
If, coming down a straight someone has a run on you, choose a line. Once you go one way, don’t go back the other.
They typical thing I do when in this situation is block them from getting on my inside. This way you are communicating to the driver coming, ok I see you, and I am forcing you to go the long way round.
If you initiate an overtake it’s largely on you to do it safely and without bashing into other cars and slowing them in the process.
It’s important to have a concept, like for myself, I have made a lot of mistakes and just try to learn something from them.
But working without a common concept that’s based in Motorsport reality and then going into a driving game forum and calling someone in a video dirty after you broke the most basic etiquette is pigheaded at best.
I have close contact with some old time racers, everything from boats to karting.
The old c open karts with twin 2 stroke 130cc motors.
I’ve been told about the culture, and how when somebody was doing others wrong and kept it up they get a wheel stuck in on em.
(Karts in those days had to rail in between front and rear wheels)
They called it ‘calibrating a guy’
Come up on say their left and put your right front right in front of their left rear and brake some...
BOING they get launched into the air.
We see all the time drivers getting in fights.
So the guy you wronged stuck a wheel in on you.
To me that’s not dirty it’s teaching you something.

OK, well I guess we've kicked the arse out of this and I can see the level you think I'm at based on the pitch of your notes so I think it's best to park it but I feel suitably chastised, schooled and pigheaded in the appropriate proportions. I count myself fortunate I've never raced people who thought deliberately driving open wheels into each other is a good means of education.

@Pigems is the benchmark. I guess that's handy because we typically set laptimes within a tenth of each other....

I'm definitely going to have to get a US account.

 

[Ashthebash]

So there’s a yellow racing line the game provides under driving aids, cones markers lines...
Now, is that line good? What’s good about it?
It’s a racing line.
This line produces excellent results in gt cars if driven properly and consistently. That means having the car at the highest grip limit of the tires your abilities at managing its balance can produce.
As it relates to etiquette, in a race racers are pushing to ‘drive the limit’
Racing line provides some margin, not much but a bit more than say qual which is kinda ridiculous in games imo.
.

Thing is, what you're describing there, the terminology is in reality wrong. We all call it the "racing line" but it's actually the "optimal line", it's the line that will get you the fastest lap times. When two cars are racing each other closely though and one wants to get past while the other wants to keep the car behind. They rarely use the quickest line around a track, in the incident shown, the Megane is on the racing line, had it moved to the inside to defend, it's slower but the overtake is never on.

I think what really caused the issue was Cal's squeeze into T2. While there's nothing wrong with it in itself, it compromised both cars and if the Megane understeered which it had every chance of doing (and probably did), Cal had nowhere to go and was going to be squeezed out of track on the exit. Once the move in T1 was done Cal could have taken an optimal line through T2 and gone for a switch back while the Megane would still have been compromised somewhat or passed down the straight into T4.

So I'd say the squeeze into T2 ruined the chance of a good overtake and the acceleration across T3 was naughty, I'd maintain though that the move into T1, while late, was fine.

The door banging down the straight and punt though, it wasn't worthy of that*







*Unless you've had them do it to you multiple times!

 

[250Cal]

Going Live for a couple race C’s, 3 laps warmup.

This better be good.

 

[Pigems]

What an awesome race that was!! Me and another guy worked out ways through a good majority of the field, he finished 3rd and I finished 5th. But there was one point where I totally messed with a Lambo a few of times and threw him right off in order to pass him. It was in the last couple of laps of the race I just streamed, that was so cool that it actually worked!

One more race, I gotta see if the next one gets better. Still Live.

We got a @Trone_Colby and @Groundfish in the next race! Good Luck guys!

 

[MIE1992]

I had an idea/question on the economics of GT Sport, and especially in online races in general. Long story short, I think online races in general give out too little credits and exp, especially compared to the GT League races. In concept, I would think that racing against human players should pay out more than racing against the AI, right?

And on top of this, I don't think online races should use a "base payout" that's based on the class of car being used, but rather something more to do with the DR of the field. A potentially easier idea would be to have it be based on your own DR at the time that you enter the race. And an even easier potential idea would it not to be based on your actual DR score, but just your rank. They'd differ in how much the prize money/exp is multiplied, with the S-Rank being a fixed bonus, since it's more of an add-on to your actual DR rank. So using DR B as a "base rank," here's a hypothetical, albeit rough listing of how I'd handle DR-based credit/exp payouts:

A+: x5.0
A: x3.0
B: x1.0
C: x0.5
D: x0.4
E: x0.3

S: +100,000cr.

Naturally, the payout of credits/exp would still differ depending on the race length and your final position, but I think it should generally be high enough insofar that it encourages more players to go online, rather than grind GT League events. I wouldn't be planning to "convert" everyone that uses GT League events, but at least a considerable number of them. Points races (e.g. FIAGTC) would have a slight multiplier to all potential payouts, as well.

Meanwhile, the more "typical" payout method would be used for unranked races, such as in lobbies or in arcade mode.

EDIT: At any rate, a race at DR B would pay out more than a typical race does now with that same DR, assuming the player has the same final position in each scenario. When I say the DR B multiplier is x1.0, I don’t mean multiplying it by a current payout value, but a different value entirely, which in itself would still be influenced by race duration, final position, etc.

So, for DR B, the base winning payout could be something like 100,000cr. There also could be multiple tiers of payouts, where there are notable jumps in the credit/exp yields, such as for being within the top 3, 5, and 10.

 

[Granadier]

Last week:
Race A, racing hard
Race B, racing hard
Race C, sports hard

This week:
Race A, sports hard
Race B, racing hard
Race C, racing hard

Next week:
Race A, sports hard
Race B, racing hard
Race C, racing hard

 

[250Cal]

What an awesome race that was!! Me and another guy worked out ways through a good majority of the field, he finished 3rd and I finished 5th. But there was one point where I totally messed with a Lambo a few of times and threw him right off in order to pass him. It was in the last couple of laps of the race I just streamed, that was so cool that it actually worked!

One more race, I gotta see if the next one gets better. Still Live.

We got a @Trone_Colby and @Groundfish in the next race! Good Luck guys!

Who is who?

 

[sturk0167]

Going Live for a couple race C’s, 3 laps warmup.

How the hell do you type so fast in the chat?

 

[250Cal]

How the hell do you type so fast in the chat?

6 fingers

 

[Pigems]

Who is who?

@Trone_Colby was Trone_Colby, but @Groundfish will have to reveal his name is he so wishes to do so, that will be up to him.

Another great race! Not as much action this time but I ended up with a much better finish. It’s also on the stream. Thanks for the race guys! @Trone_Colby Sorry about the bump in T1/T2 Man, I wasn’t looking to pass you there, I just kinda ended up on your inside after braking and had to roll with it at that point because there was people behind me.

How the hell do you type so fast in the chat?

I have a wireless keyboard hooked up to my PS4.

That’s Headphone Receiver, Keyboard Receiver, Two chargers(DS4 and Headphones) and my wheel plugged in directly.

 

[Trone_Colby]

@Pigems its fine.

I think I’m going to stay away from interlagos. Too many people ramming me on purpose. In a race I totally lost it. I’m sure I’ll be in SR.C for my misconduct although the chump had it coming

 

[Groundfish]

@Trone_Colby was Trone_Colby, but @Groundfish will have to reveal his name is he so wishes to do so, that will be up to him.

Another great race! Not as much action this time but I ended up with a much better finish. It’s also on the stream. Thanks for the race guys! @Trone_Colby Sorry about the bump in T1/T2 Man, I wasn’t looking to pass you there, I just kinda ended up on your inside after braking and had to roll with it at that point because there was people behind me.

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Hmm you streamed?
I was the only Mopar in the field, I did what 4 total, saw Sven. Got taken out in I think lap 8, the fella is a nice guy and clean quality racer, he even apologized, solid guy.
You had a head start!
I think I did four in a row, made it to 4th but no podium. I just counted my positions, raised position over 40 times.
Racing was nice and clean in b s.
Quality stuff.
I had some quality defenses by a huracan and a Mcclaren by my friends from South America.
Nice podium!
Excellent quality racing tonight for the most part at the b s level, there’s was some horseplay bs, but tonight I didn’t get much of it.
I have a question for @trone_colby
Did you register getting tapped from the rear on your end exiting the final turn when you got loose? I’m very curious, my replay shows no tap...
I didn’t register a tap, and I’m very curious if my end was the same as your end...

Overall it’s super fun to have the doppelgänger effect. Often evenings I am too tired to be razor sharp enough for my main account, and qual effort takes so much out of me, I wish they would put a time limit on it.
People’s qual gets ridiculous as the week goes by...
But, on the other account, I can race at my leisure for fun...I like it...No stress...I thought I might be more aggressive on the alt, but opposite is true..
I can be pretty cutthroat on my main, barge me I punt you end of story.
It was great to see friends out in force tonight...
Gt Planet!


@trone_colby you did fine, but the handling cars can be a magnet for mayhem in close quarters at Interlagos. I saw that guy bash you early, and I almost punted him for it, but I wasn’t sure it was purposeful. Interlagos is a lotta fun, but yeah bathers can put a damper on things sometimes. Great track to drive though...oily flow...
You should keep racing! If I see some loser cheat against my friends they will be offed. (especially before a long straight for maximum effect)

My apologies for the malformed post. My lap 8 in the race was this...
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/embed/744e5abc-1986-4df6-9f81-9cef67b642e6?autoplay=false

 

[Granadier]

Haven’t had time for any races this week, but booted up GT before calling it a night to see if I could get a race in. Picked race B and quickly realized that I am still pure garbage at Suzuka.
Think I spun 3 times before giving up and quitting in 16th at 45s behind the leader. That track will be the death of me.

 

[NoStopN]

Tap, take a short cut, so frigging dirty.

The list of tracks where this can be avoided is shrinking, rapidly. It's the a-holes who abuse the system that keep me off of those tracks. But, I already am terrible at Interlagos, so no big loss to me.

next weeks races are up.

Suzuka Circuit East Course
5 Laps 12 Players Car(s): N100 | Specially Provided Car BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Sports: Hard DR Limit: None

Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow
5 Laps 16 Players Car(s): GR4 | Car from Garage BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Racing: Hard DR Limit: None

Nürburgring 24h
2 Laps 20 Players Car(s): GR3 | Car from Garage BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Racing: Hard DR Limit: None

A) No interest.
B) YEEEEEEEEESSS!!!!!!
C) Not on your life.

@Pigems, start changing your fluids and charge the battery on your 86. 👍
No need to test all the cars, this time.
It's your A+ track!

I might live there next week. I just need about 25 Metric tonnes of cocaine to get enough racing at Big Willow.

I’m not looking for a fight, but you did not earn the right to apex by swerving out late.
You will find trouble if you pull that on Americas server like you showed.

As an American on the American servers, there are more rooms with barging garbage drivers than clean ones. I will elaborate on the "pull out" passing maneuver momentarily.

Had to watch the replay to figure out where this yellow car came from. I was in the F-Type having a great race running in third...until this and I got a 5 second penalty. And this was an A S rated lobby.

Now that was a truly d**k move.

That’s not standard to me the late swerve barge pass.

When I think of a barging pass, I think of someone trying to use another car as a buffer in order to maintain as much speed as they can. I literally had that happen earlier today in 130R at Suzuka. A car blazed by me on the inside & pushed me wide beyond the red/white rumble strips. Since that area is paved, he got no penalty. That's an abuse to me. But, as any racing driver will tell you, you have to make use of as much of the track as possible. Braking zones are big keys to advancing your position.

That pull out of the slipstream braking move is a favorite of mine because I almost always have trouble with braking points while close behind. My video from DTS last week was one if those. Went way inside to avoid the slipstream but also made sure line would have been clear for the person to pass through with no trouble. That lasted until a bowling ball or 2 came through and wiped us out.

I had to learn about the draft's effect on braking in time. I can't begin to count the number of poor drivers I kicked off track in my earliest days playing the game. I choose to pull out of the draft when braking in order to try to get some downforce on those front tires. But, I have been shown the sand pit by my unfair share of either new drivers or drivers who don't give a damn about DR/SR.

Thinking about Big Willow. This was fun. 3 wide through the last turn, without anyone going off track.

I'm very much looking forward to doing it again. I'm gonna do a crazy amount of practice, so I can get some poles and hopefully drive away from the contact. Can't wait to get home and get started.

There is no way I would have been able to keep in it for that long. Your stones are bigger than mine. Also, poles are possible. I got several there the last time around.

Wow, N24 next week with Gr. 3 cars? I predict some extra spicy racing though.

I want to see a highlight reel of the lowlights after next week's races.

I hope I haven't crashed into you.
These other guys here are jerks, though. They probably have.

I may be a jerk, but I'm man enough to admit when I made a mistake. I even had lap & a quarter of good racing today while leading before I binned it & congratulated him after on a good race.

 

[NoStopN]

So, right after work, I fired up the game & headed on track. Started on the alt account, then moved to the main.

Awesome finish in this race. The 8th place was a gift from a Ferrari in front of us with a 5 second penalty.

 

[Raceourse42]

I have to

These two posts worked very well coming one after the other for something that was on my mind. The other night I was in a race where a no qualifier came from the rear and I let him pass. He was ultra agressive, bumping and pushing, and I just could not be bothered with defending that sort of crap. He went off and caught me again. I let him though. He went off again. Last night a DR S driver no qualified behind me. I let him by and he made just 2 more places up before being caught in a field of traffic. I could see his frustration in front of me as I watched a stupid battle between a fast no qualifier and a driver who thought he had the right to defend his place. @05XR8's point is that he no qualified, got into a race with slower drivers and was then frustrated by finding himself behind slower drivers. Not all drivers are like me, watching the ranking and quali times of those in the lobby and figuring who they will let pass. Most see their position as their position to defend and if you chose to start at the rear then it's your job to find a clean way by, not theirs to give it to you. AS @Redneckchef says, no qually drivers pushing through aggressively are just as much a problem as slower drivers over defending.

Simple solution - stop no qualification entries from being allowed. Granted, next thing the same drivers will do ultra slow Q times and we'll have races to see who can go round the track the slowest in qualifying but it would be a move in the right direction.

I have to agree, no qualifiers can be a pain.
OK they're faster, so do a qualifier and stop spoiling us slower drivers fun.
Do they not qualify because they can't win in their own league, or are they showing off?
either way I'm tempted to nudge them

 

[05XR8]

Big Willow seems like a Big snore fest.

Usually the Slophy/4C/86 Cup?

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Big Willow seems like a Big snore fest.

Usually the Slophy/4C/86 Cup?

For me it will be the Mustang.

 

[Pelikan]

I have to agree, no qualifiers can be a pain.
OK they're faster, so do a qualifier and stop spoiling us slower drivers fun.
Do they not qualify because they can't win in their own league, or are they showing off?
either way I'm tempted to nudge them

I did several Race Cs tonight with no quali for a few reasons.

Sometimes it’s way more entertaining to battle most of the field than to stay up front and have a 2-3 car battle, or even worse, a race length time trial.

It’s also a great way practice overtaking.

After a few rounds I decided to quali and put down a 1:37.599. I was very tempted to try no quali all week but things were getting a bit chaotic.

This is why I really enjoy the FIA races. I can always expect a good hard fight from any of the opponents regardless of my starting position.

 

[Groundfish]

OK, well I guess we've kicked the arse out of this and I can see the level you think I'm at based on the pitch of your notes so I think it's best to park it but I feel suitably chastised, schooled and pigheaded in the appropriate proportions. I count myself fortunate I've never raced people who thought deliberately driving open wheels into each other is a good means of education.

@Pigems is the benchmark. I guess that's handy because we typically set laptimes within a tenth of each other....

I'm definitely going to have to get a US account.

Well, ok, let’s do it if you are full of piss and vinegar. Kinda looked like somebody tried something with a jag with a large Brit flag livery named wreckutoo in the race @Pigems streamed going no qual. That fella wasted his tires though. After I got punted lap 8 I promptly overtook him I think for the second time that race while recovering my race...
I dig @Pigems he is a very positive person and fun driver. I like racing him. In that last one he just squeezed by that dang mustang lap six, and I was right behind him but got stuck behind the stang, then lap 8 when I was getting through several cars, in good position the stang punted me.
Btw, I was up his(stang drivers) inside heading towards the final corner lap 8, riding the crap outta the curb trying not to hit him but I did.
I LIFTED to Give him corner rights unmolested so that we could race fair.
It was the right thing to do.
I still recovered back to tenth after getting offed, which was by far my worst race this evening...
I’m sure my friends will vouch that I can put up some times in racecars...
I really don’t care to fight, I just love driving irl and online in general. It makes no difference to me, other people’s misconceptions, I just try to do my best and have fun.
I really don’t care, and if you feel chastised remember I already said I was just rambling on about a few things because I think it might help someone reading/lurking.
Hey bottom line we all play a game, and etiquette is part of making the experience fun for all. Yes, even those players you might refer to as cones, or are faster than.
In fact there’s more responsibility and care that should be taken when overtaking someone much slower imo.
Behind each car in an online race is a human being.
Clubbing baby seals is not sport it’s just murder.
I know guys like Sven also have little desire for mariokart shenanigans, it’s not worth doing if that’s what it all becomes,,,

 

[05XR8]

Awesome scrap! We each have respect after the race.

 

[NosOsH]

Had some good races today on B
Until my last race....i lost it on one corner and lost maybe 5-6 positions so was in hard traffic. Started to pick my way through and while going to pass a guy on a straight, he starts weave blocking but I have a good run and make it past on the out side. Not before he taps my rear quarter panel and swings out 90 degrees and slams a wall, giving me a 5 second penalty...
Screwed my race but i kept on trying to salvage what was left of it, made a another mistake or two but then caught back up to the same guy. I could tell he was driving slowly and of course bumps me as I pass and yep 90 degrees over to the nearest wall. Another 4 seconds for me...
Dropped me dang near 20 sr
This trick is legitimately being exploited now. I hadnt seen such an obvious example before but this is just not acceptable.
PD.....

I expect a proper pen system update by the end of this month!!!!
And SPA!!!

 

[05XR8]

Just did a 1:38.986 in the FF Megane. Probably won't last 2 laps, but I'll see what I can do with it.

 

[Lion-Face]

No fias this week so daily stream it is! Race c starting with the ferrari

 

[Invisigoth]

I expect a proper pen system update by the end of this month!!!!
And SPA!!!

Aaand monkeys might fly outta my butt .