"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[250Cal]

You put a good example up of one of those not too far back

Or did you mean the more careful contact free races. They can be found in SR.C where people get afraid their DR might get reset. SR.A has them too since most there want to get back to SR.S.

No luck so far this morning getting a clean race bonus in the vantage at Interlagos. Terrible connections resulting in getting tapped from behind for SR Down has been spoiling my last 3 attempts. That's another thing you have to deal with on the Americas server. Lots of yellow connections and usually a red one in every race. Wobbly cars everywhere, jumping back in braking zones, stalling mid corner before jumping ahead again. One red bar connection who was glitching all over the place reported with all orange parameters and 1 ms ping. I guess it was so bad it couldn't display the real ping number lol.

The races with 0 failed overtakes, especially in an environment when a perfectly good overtake falls into the failed category because the overtakee isn't happy about being overtaken.

Also, what's the etiquette for dealing with brake checkers, weavers, blockers, side swipers etc?

The threat of SR reset is an excellent point. Perhaps such a mechanism could exist at all SRs, effectively putting points on people's license and making them drive accordingly.

This is not a failed overtake, right?

 

[GT5Power]

A fellow McLaren driver decided to try and one-up my 1:37.678 at Interlagos with a 1:37.662 in the 650S.

Obviously I wasn't having any of that, so I reclaimed my place with a 1:37.651 of my own. That took a while The car can't go much faster than this.

 

[Pigems]

A fellow McLaren driver decided to try and one-up my 1:37.678 at Interlagos with a 1:37.662 in the 650S.

Obviously I wasn't having any of that, so I reclaimed my place with a 1:37.651 of my own. That took a while The car can't go much faster than this.

Damm, nice lap! You use a DS4 too don’t you?

 

[GT5Power]

Damm, nice lap! You use a DS4 too don’t you?

I am indeed on the DS4.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The races with 0 failed overtakes, especially in an environment when a perfectly good overtake falls into the failed category because the overtakee isn't happy about being overtaken.

Also, what's the etiquette for dealing with brake checkers, weavers, blockers, side swipers etc?

The threat of SR reset is an excellent point. Perhaps such a mechanism could exist at all SRs, effectively putting points on people's license and making them drive accordingly.

This is not a failed overtake, right?

It is a failed overtake, actually it's not an overtake at all since I didn't take the position.

The etiquette is to try to avoid them, yet sometimes there's no other option than to 'cry foul' ie let them ram you into a wall or off track to have the penalty system take car of that. Yet mostly, the etiquette is to post a video on here

 

[Tea_Leaves]

The good thing is that I kept calm through the storm, didn't feel like sending anyone flying.

The best approach. I had to deal with an A+/S (aka bump to win) on Suzuka who fell down the pack by going off earlier in the race. I started out near the back since Suzuka is a weak track for me. He decides to bump draft me 3 times and attempts to pit maneuver before losing his head and punting me off at the hairpin before Spoon.

I admittedly was close to babyrage mode on at that point but he span out in the process of punting me (lol) and got 5 seconds. So, still finished ahead while he ended up last. Honestly, it rarely pays to be dirty at least from my experience.

 

[Groundfish]

In my opinion, any overtake where there was any contact or the other car must take evasive actions is a failed overtake. Any successful overtake is more rewarding than a victory for me. Clean race bonus is the goal.

This leads to me not qualifying to stay away from the rubbing is racing crowd. In general DR.B drivers are more careful not to make contact. It's simple math with the DR/SR system we have. Force your way to the front gets rewarded, while driving contact free puts you at a disadvantage. Yet that's the way I like to race.

Knowing when to back out is the most important skill in racing!

Exactly. It’s just more fun that way. On my main account which is ranked up, it’s very time consuming to compete. I pretty much only do races I really like and that are long enough to make it interesting. It’s a large timesink what with having to grind out qual and all.
I’ve only done a few from the back on the alt. I try to make it fun for all involved, clean, take advantage when others fight, pressure and wait for a mistake.
I’d never mug people, because it’s unsporting. If I really wanna race hard I can race my main account.
You have to be in the mood for that though. I generally only do a race here and there on the main, it’s intense, especially since I use cockpit view.

I shared up the replay from the ‘big race’ last night in game discoverable search tag planeteers
Just racing fun is nice on the alt, without having to get tuned up beforehand, it’s nice.

I think the point is that if people did a genuinely quali they wouldn't be at the back coming through. For most people it's not the loss of position that's the issue it's the negative impact on their race. That said, there are people at all levels who do not like to be overtaken.

The race earl problem I have with qual is it’s such an annoying grind.
It should be TIME LIMITED
For me it’s annoying on the main account having to grind out a competitive time, I just don’t wanna spend time doing it. You’re up against people who put in a LOT of time on it.
I’ve proved to myself I can hit top fifteen region on a combo that’s engrossing, IF I am bored enough that week and work on it. For the most part not worth it to me at all, personally.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

It is a failed overtake, actually it's not an overtake at all since I didn't take the position.

The etiquette is to try to avoid them, yet sometimes there's no other option than to 'cry foul' ie let them ram you into a wall or off track to have the penalty system take car of that. Yet mostly, the etiquette is to post a video on here

To play devil's advocate...

Even better etiquette is to post the clip completely out of context with only the presented side of the story which we're obliged to side with on the most part...

 

[Dairyworker]

Had three nice races in the clio this morning. @Mc_Yavel was in all of them, great to share the track with you, as always. Had some great racing spread accross the three races. Made a few mistakes, but when half the grid is people you know you can trust it doesn't matter. Do what's best to get back on the track and don't worry about the other cars, cuse if i do it right so will they and we can all get on with the race. Taking a little break, gonna try a few more before work.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

PD likes the idea of clean racing. Hence selection on SR first. Unfortunately the penalty and SR system is a bit ****. Then it selects people on DR to put people with the same race pace together. Unfortunately DR is a bit **** when it comes to reflecting race pace.

Selecting people on qualifying times will only make more rooms like the one I had just now. DR.B to DR.D, SR.S to SR.B. It was a wreck fest. You won't be getting any clean races anymore when SR disappears. It doesn't work that well as it is, but it is still a deterrent against dirty driving and somewhat delivers you cleaner races at high SR.

So if you prioritize qualifying times, what to do with SR? Reset your qualifying time instead of DR resets! Might not be a bad idea lol.

I don't mind who I run with, as long as I don't have to start mid pack which usually means multiple SR Downs in the first lap and a good chance at a BS penalty. I can't qualify well enough to start in the safer top 5 zone. Mid pack is always a mess and the penalty system makes it worse. So it's mostly preserving my SR by not qualifying. Then I can take it easy in lap 1, study who I'm racing against and tackle the field one at a time.

I didn't mean to get rid of DR and/or SR, but only add the Qt as the prime selector, then SR and DR.
Ideal would be sorting people by their K-index, then SR, then DR.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

To play devil's advocate...

Even better etiquette is to post the clip completely out of context with only the presented side of the story which we're obliged to side with on the most part...

Don't forget the lag. What happens on one screen is not the same as what happened on the other screen.

The race I did just now started off with a dive bomb. I avoided it and parked on the edge of the outside of T1, let the rest through as there was no safe way to merge back in. So starting last after all. I made it to 7th during the race, mostly from people crashing and getting penalties but also a couple clean contact free passes. Last lap, I still have the crb, comfortably ahead of the car I cleanly passed the lap before. And yup, from 0.6 sec back, dive bomb in T4. My tires are shot, can't evade the missile, I get T-Boned far wide into the green but manage to recover only to see SR Down. CRB gone.

I guess it wouldn't be so satisfying to finally get the CRB while overtaking if the penalty system actually worked. My DR is now down to 12.6K from getting punted off at Interlagos on a regular basis. What is it that puts it in people's mind that when you're 3 car lengths back you can easily out brake the car ahead??? Even on fresh tires vs shot tires that's a fail. The smart ones on fresh tires will simply drive by you on the inside after braking.

I might as well make it a habit to always take a defensive line in T1 and T4 and that sharp right near the end. Just like on Tokyo where 80% of the time I would enter T1 on the right. Racing line should be renamed to punting line.

I didn't mean to get rid of DR and/or SR, but only add the Qt as the prime selector, then SR and DR. Ideal would be sorting people by their K-index, then SR, then DR.

Yet then you mix all SR together, and SR would be meaningless. But it might stop manipulating SR to get easier rooms, except qualifying slow would guarantee easier victories in such a system.

PD needs a new system to determine people's race pace to match people of similar pace together. (For example, running average of all your accident free / penalty free lap times) It should be different per track/car combo. Then match on that first and perhaps use SR to adjust penalty strength. The lower your SR, the bigger the time penalties when you cause an incident. Atm it's the reverse and a low SR player can knock a high SR player out of the way with little to no risk.

 

[sturk0167]

Testing has commenced. Having fun. I will be ready. 👍

 

[HammyMansell]

I thought I'd give race C another go after Monday's chaos, and what do you know, 2 wins on the spin!

A nice tussle with some muscle in the first one, after a crafty "push to pass" from behind, but all good fun!

 

[Illum_Concept]

Plus it was where I had my first win in Sport Mode, many months ago in the '65 Shelby Mustang, might have to run the Gr.4 Mustang a couple of times to try and match that!

I seem to recall my first Sport Mode win was at Big Willow too, albeit it was in the Raptor. Hopefully PD will release a Gr.4 Raptor this weekend, so I can do the same!

 

[Leftcurl]

Yeah man, works like a charm, a mouse does not work though, gotta use the DS4 for that.

i need to get a keyboard, the times when i've tried to respond post chat and can't type the words quick enough is almost as frustrating as being stuck behind a slow driver when i start a race with no qualy

 

[sturk0167]

I seem to recall my first Sport Mode win was at Big Willow too, albeit it was in the Raptor. Hopefully PD will release a Gr.4 Raptor this weekend, so I can do the same!

I'll always fondly remember Big Willow as being the one and only track where I ever crossed the finish line ahead of @suprajef. I wouldn't exactly say I beat him, though.
I was all alone in 2nd place, about 4 or 5 seconds behind him when, um something occurred.
Nevertheless, it's still going on my resume.

 

[KMGMC]

I have to


I have to agree, no qualifiers can be a pain.
OK they're faster, so do a qualifier and stop spoiling us slower drivers fun.
Do they not qualify because they can't win in their own league, or are they showing off?
either way I'm tempted to nudge them

I don’t think you really have that right, I do no qualifiers because it’s makes it way more fun. I enjoy trying to move through the field, although I wouldn’t say I do it ultra aggressively, I plan my moves and know where to pass and where to just hold up.

I was doing this at Suzuka for example in the S’s I wouldn’t even bother trying to pass knowing that ultimately two wide through there isn’t going to be a good time. I would just hold up and wait for the straights and get them on exit as it’s seems most guys at the back are using TCS, which really slows your exit speed. The only real problem I would run into is I’d have to be very caution in braking zones as guys at the back tend to brake early so I’d always move to one side or I’d just lift on the way into the corner expecting them to brake.

Idk how many times in the last 2 weeks I either started on pole or second and basically just ran a time trail the whole race, which is nice for the wins but tends to be pretty boring.

 

[GT5Power]

I'm not done yet...

My McLaren competitor got a 1:37.620 to jump me again in the 650S, so I promptly retaliated with a 37.552. How much further can this go?

 

[JoeyLeonine]

Idk how many times in the last 2 weeks I either started on pole or second and basically just ran a time trail the whole race, which is nice for the wins but tends to be pretty boring.

Soooo... Why... Don't... You... Move... Up... A... Ranking... Where... It's... More... Competitive... For... You...??

You know, just saying...

 

[Tea_Leaves]

although I wouldn’t say I do it ultra aggressively, I plan my moves and know where to pass and where to just hold up.

Problem is not everyone on the grid is you, me and people here.

I see where @Raceourse42 is coming from. There are (likely many) people out there who become frustrated being behind someone slower so they'll end up barge passing and drive like they're hotlapping without acknowledgment to the driver ahead.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I don’t think you really have that right, I do no qualifiers because it’s makes it way more fun. I enjoy trying to move through the field, although I wouldn’t say I do it ultra aggressively, I plan my moves and know where to pass and where to just hold up.

I was doing this at Suzuka for example in the S’s I wouldn’t even bother trying to pass knowing that ultimately two wide through there isn’t going to be a good time. I would just hold up and wait for the straights and get them on exit as it’s seems most guys at the back are using TCS, which really slows your exit speed. The only real problem I would run into is I’d have to be very caution in braking zones as guys at the back tend to brake early so I’d always move to one side or I’d just lift on the way into the corner expecting them to brake.

Idk how many times in the last 2 weeks I either started on pole or second and basically just ran a time trail the whole race, which is nice for the wins but tends to be pretty boring.

But your fun is at someone else's expense. OK, you might be ultra clean and if so it's not a problem that you do no-qualy, but the majority of those who do are not clean. They don't always wreck our race but they do always disturb it. I have no problems being overtaken, swish by me on the exit, do an over-under, out brake me if you have the corner I will yield.
But don't nudge me, don't draft-bump me. It's the faster drivers responsibility to pas safely and to allow me to use my own braking points and even my own line. The one coming up is always the one responsible.

 

[Groundfish]

But your fun is at someone else's expense. OK, you might be ultra clean and if so it's not a problem that you do no-qualy, but the majority of those who do are not clean. They don't always wreck our race but they do always disturb it. I have no problems being overtaken, swish by me on the exit, do an over-under, out brake me if you have the corner I will yield.
But don't nudge me, don't draft-bump me. It's the faster drivers responsibility to pas safely and to allow me to use my own braking points and even my own line. The one coming up is always the one responsible.

The ones that are the worst are racing hard, come on, you wanna race hard, ante up and do it against real competition, your PEERS.
It proves nothing for an a plus to walk a field of b c d.
I don’t see much trouble if proper racing etiquette is followed though and it’s just enjoying sharing the track with other HUMANS.
I’d even say, against the boring ai, try just hopping in an arcade race at Interlagos bop your gr4 and don’t bash the ai away. If you treat them like humans it’s a decent challenge to get the clean win...
If nothing else practicing against them on pro for a player that is not high b s or higher is good.
Dial in the line. Learn good spots to pass etc.

 

[sturk0167]

@RacingGrandpa, I started on your Mustang livery, this morning. It should be done by tomorrow.
I was looking at some of the one's in your collection, and they are pretty darn nice. 👍

The one that I'm doing may not be as good as yours, but I love the idea of making a custom paint job as a gift for somebody. It's really the only thing you can give somebody, since you can't share cars and cash/credits with friends.

You're certainly shouldn't feel obligated to use it.

 

[S A Debre]

Just did my first race in SR-A and jesus christ it is absolutely horrible.

I kept getting rammed, brake-checked, shoved wide, overtaken in the most aggressive ways imaginable, I even got spun around on the main straight once, all in the matter of four laps. I quit the race after some guy that just tried to brutally murder me went really slow into the first long left turn, I bumped into him slightly, then he just decided to drive off track giving me a five second penalty.

Absolutely awful racing. I am fully expecting to get demoted back to SR-C - it's probably for the better though since those guys actually know how to drive.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

@RacingGrandpa, I started on your Mustang livery, this morning. It should be done by tomorrow.
I was looking at some of the one's in your collection, and they are pretty darn nice. 👍

The one that I'm doing may not be as good as yours, but I love the idea of making a custom paint job as a gift for somebody. It's really the only thing you can give somebody, since you can't share cars and cash/credits with friends.

You're certainly shouldn't feel obligated to use it.

I would enjoy making one for you. Any particular car? (Preferably one I own)
And what theme?

 

[sturk0167]

I would enjoy making one for you. Any particular car? (Preferably one I own)
And what theme?

Absolutely. I would rock the hell out of any paint job that someone made for me.
How about a sinister looking Gr.4 86, with demons and flames? 👍

 

[HammyMansell]

Just did my first race in SR-A and jesus christ it is absolutely horrible.

I kept getting rammed, brake-checked, shoved wide, overtaken in the most aggressive ways imaginable, I even got spun around on the main straight once, all in the matter of four laps. I quit the race after some guy that just tried to brutally murder me went really slow into the first long left turn, I bumped into him slightly, then he just decided to drive off track giving me a five second penalty.

Absolutely awful racing. I am fully expecting to get demoted back to SR-C - it's probably for the better though since those guys actually know how to drive.

That's exactly what happened to me on Monday mate, went from A-S to B-D in 2 races......People need to calm down in the higher rated races, as some of them drive like animals, and utilise the crap penalty system to their advantage....

And yeah, in the 2 B rated races I did today, I won both, with good racing and fair moves...

 

[Raceourse42]

ah OK fai

I don’t think you really have that right, I do no qualifiers because it’s makes it way more fun. I enjoy trying to move through the field, although I wouldn’t say I do it ultra aggressively, I plan my moves and know where to pass and where to just hold up.

I was doing this at Suzuka for example in the S’s I wouldn’t even bother trying to pass knowing that ultimately two wide through there isn’t going to be a good time. I would just hold up and wait for the straights and get them on exit as it’s seems most guys at the back are using TCS, which really slows your exit speed. The only real problem I would run into is I’d have to be very caution in braking zones as guys at the back tend to brake early so I’d always move to one side or I’d just lift on the way into the corner expecting them to brake.

Idk how many times in the last 2 weeks I either started on pole or second and basically just ran a time trail the whole race, which is nice for the wins but tends to be pretty boring.

ah OK fair comment, I was thinking that a fast quali would match you with similar speed drivers, so you would have a competitive drive.
Its probably the way that pd does the matching.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

Race A features the Clio, like last time we had N200 one make at Goodwood.

I can't believe PD used the same car on the same track again. Out of the 20+ N200 cars they had to use the same.

Had three nice races in the clio this morning. @Mc_Yavel was in all of them, great to share the track with you, as always. Had some great racing spread accross the three races. Made a few mistakes, but when half the grid is people you know you can trust it doesn't matter. Do what's best to get back on the track and don't worry about the other cars, cuse if i do it right so will they and we can all get on with the race. Taking a little break, gonna try a few more before work.

They were great race. One of them, we were 4 cars in the same second for two laps. All trusty racer who don't go for the win at all cost. Even manage a win this morning and one yesterday with the Clio. I do like this car.

Yesterday was another story as I used my wheel and did mainly Race C. Car of choice was NSX. I may be as fast with the wheel as DS4 now but I'm far less consitent with the wheel. Made many mistake and if the rear slide out I cannot catch the slide.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Just did my first race in SR-A and jesus christ it is absolutely horrible.

I'm not kidding but from my times in SR A, I've had cleaner races there than at SR S 99. The way I saw it was people trying to get back into SR S so were driving a lot more safer/cleaner. I guess your experience was an unfortunate one.

I can't believe PD used the same car on the same track again.

I can because it's PD.