"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]
- Thread starter LordDrift
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- England
I understand that it's more entertaining, but that's sort of my point, it's less entertaining for us slower drivers.
when I see three non qualifiers at the back of the grid, the chances are that they're going to be fast, so do I waste the whole race trying to defend my position, when what I want to do is try to compete with my peers.
I feel that we are being used as Guinea pigs for the faster drivers to practice on.
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- New Plymouth
Oh my God. I think I just played a round of wreckfest. Everyone but the winner, who led from pole, and the guy who quit first turn had a penalty. Proper punting, revenge smashing, barge proof passing. Somehow I only lost 5 SR. Going for another go. Wow
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- Ulricehamn
Well. My controller is shot. Turning left works fine most of the time, but then it doesn't. And I have to return and then yank to the left to go left. Killing my times, killing my races, killing for my peers.
No more racing until I bought a new one.
No more racing until I bought a new one.
I do it because it's often more interesting and a break from the norm. It's a very different kind of challenge.
Tried my luck again last night. Took the Beetle to Suzuka and it worked better, improved my laptime some 2 seconds. Still in the back of the field. Tried the Porsche - no dice.
Had one race, where it was a full lobby of 16 people - only for 11 to leave the lobby right before Warmup. I guess it was some network issues, as I doubt they all ragequit or something.
Still came in 5th.
Tried my hand at Goodwood. No luck. So now I am about 200 DR away from dropping to a C rating.
Had one race, where it was a full lobby of 16 people - only for 11 to leave the lobby right before Warmup. I guess it was some network issues, as I doubt they all ragequit or something.
Still came in 5th.
Tried my hand at Goodwood. No luck. So now I am about 200 DR away from dropping to a C rating.
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- England
Why?
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- Australia
As a career DR/D I beg to differ. If they had qualified we would simply start even further down the grid. It is less of an issue of driver choice as it is poor race matching in the first place. A DR/A or B has no business being in my race in the first place. Sometimes there just isn't enough people playing at the time for fair matching.
By having to deal with *us*, and @Sven Jurgens can attest to this, it makes it a lot harder for the non-qualifiers to wade their way past the unpredictable great unwashed. If DR is of concern they would have qualified, because with lower ranked drivers on the grid they need to finish that much higher to get *any* points.
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- Ulricehamn
I understand that it's more fulfilling, interesting and fun. For the non-qualifier.
But we, the slower drivers, are paying for that with frustration, nervously driving and no fun.
It's not like we decided that we don't mind being overtaken at bad places, pushed off or distracted.
A few of the non-qualifiers are clean and cautious and do their overtaking clean. But it's not the norm.
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- Ireland
Yup, I race my best and enjoy a fair battle with drivers at my own level which is what the DR system tries to sort in it's own imperfect fashion. Non-qualifiers in a sense are using slower drivers in the same way they would use AI - just a target to pass. On the other hand, just because someone is a "non-qualifier" does not automatically mean they really are faster, or more to the point, more capable. I've seen quite a few that suffer a psychological trick whereby, they are outright fast but don't have race craft. Because they no qualify they think it means they will make up places. Then they find that they can't really pass as many cars clean and safe as they thought which of course means that they start to barge through because they have speed but not race craft and have to resort to bully tactics. Then they blame the other cars for not getting out of their way.
EDIT: I don't expect anyone to read this bit - it's just me using the forum for therapy.
As for my racing, I reckon I have more time on the forum than the game. Usually I do Daily B because I can get 3 races in between 23:00 and 00:00. With Daily C that same hour at night is really a 1 race opportunity. I did a few hot laps in a selection of cars. Setting a new Q time in Megane at 1.39.723 I figured tyres would be an issue so took the Jag out for the race instead. I think that screwed me a little because I could not find my brake points in the first 2 laps after warming up in the FF car. Starting only 13th on the grid I was 11th by lap 3 with an impatient no qualifier on my tail coming into T6. Granted I was not totally comfortable with the car yet so did brake a little early and cannot hold the driver behind totally to blame but with him being so aggressive and me having cars in front, beside and behind me I braked a little early at T7. He had tapped me once putting my car sideways and a second time putting me on the grass. I slid right across the grass and went backward onto the track at T8 slamming into a car that had been in 10th.
Great, 1 race for the night and I'm now in last place 10 seconds behind the next car. Rather than rage quit I figure I'd put the laps in, hopefully there'd be some trouble up ahead that would cause other cars to come back to me and if not then at least I'd get some laps in. Next I start getting in game messages from the car that I had hit as I slid onto the track. He did quit, and then starts to spam me "why you hit me", "dirty ass cheat", "son of a *****", "I gonna report you". Sorry I hit him but if he looked at the replay he'd see that I had been hit, not once but twice, and slid across the grass backwards into him. Naturally the distraction lost me a little more time. It's bloody frustrating when you get so little game time and that's what the result is. 1,000 DR points lost for 1 tap in the rear.
On a plus, rather than go to bed in a foul humour I went back and did some laps in a selection of cars. Strangely of those tested the WRX turned out to be just .025 of a sec off the Megane (both around 1.39.7). I say strange because it's not a car I have ever had success with. The Evo or GT-R yes, but not the WRX. It took me 5 laps to figure the brake balance, with under steer being a major issue at first. Eventually I landed on 2 or 3 to the rear which also surprised me because at first I though moving it to the front would help reduce the under steer the same as the FF car settings I use however quite the opposite worked. Now I just need to see how she is on tyre wear.
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- 2,794
- New Plymouth
What a difference. 2 fairly clean lobbies after that. Helped that the first lobby had 6 of us just get in a line for the first 5 laps to build a massive buffer to everyone else. Both races people were pitting. But you really need air to run as it is around 10-11 sec time loss. The first race 2 guys didn't make up that gap due to the number of cars they had to work through. Second race the leader pitted with a 6 second lead and only had to pass me again in second, and he won by 6 sec.
Interesting challenge to think about if you have a big gap. Not good for me, as I struggle to pass. All in all a good night. Even got a clean race bonus last race.
Interesting challenge to think about if you have a big gap. Not good for me, as I struggle to pass. All in all a good night. Even got a clean race bonus last race.
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- Ulricehamn
As an example of how it is to be DR D/SR S on Suzuka today: I was in p7, we where 16 players, 5 of them non qualifiers. After two laps they where all in the first 7 spots, 6 players had quit. It felt like we where the ice and they where the ice breakers.
It was so bad that I don't even care that my controller is toast. I don't want to race anyway.
Now, I am sure most of you here who like to run without the Qt are clean. But it's not the norm so if someone see you as a problem in the race do not get surprised.
It was so bad that I don't even care that my controller is toast. I don't want to race anyway.
Now, I am sure most of you here who like to run without the Qt are clean. But it's not the norm so if someone see you as a problem in the race do not get surprised.
I get that. I see people just snow ploughing their way through, I've an example from yesterday I'll try to share later. I'd like to think I'm not one of them. I honestly think a more resolved SR system would mitigate this. I also think some people adopt the R4M moniker and go out to live it no matter what the penalty.
I have 29978 DR. Nail biting.
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- United Kingdom
That wouldn't change anything. People will set ridiculously high qualifying times to guarantee themselves starting from the back.
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- Ulricehamn
Then let the Qt times be the sorting preference for matchmaking. Then all the non qualifiers would run together. Then there would be little reason for the non-qualifiers to be that anymore.
And let them run ridiculous slow qt's,it will put them together.
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- United Kingdom
Race C has been interesting so far this week. Maybe its because I dropped to SR B after some "enthusiastic" racing last week, but bloody hell. About 50% of drivers prefer to overtake by ramming through whichever corner they can catch you on. In every race there has been at least one person who seems to take huge offence if anyone dares to try to overtake them - which they can only remedy by deliberately ramming the overtaker off the track at the soonest opportunity.
Race B on the other hand has been great.
Up to SR A and DR B so maybe this afternoon will be better.
Race B on the other hand has been great.
Up to SR A and DR B so maybe this afternoon will be better.
I think the point is that if people did a genuinely quali they wouldn't be at the back coming through. For most people it's not the loss of position that's the issue it's the negative impact on their race. That said, there are people at all levels who do not like to be overtaken.
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- Tennessee
- NoStopN
It doesn't have to be.
I'm with you Grandpa.
And then we have to think of the penalties at Spa.
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- United Kingdom
Sure but (realistically) that's never going to happen. PD seem only interested in prioritising matchmaking by SR followed by DR and it's been that way since release.
I agree and some of the best battles I've had in this game and have been from the back. If I've had a clean and fair battle for a double digit place in a race, that feels like a win to me. It's not all about podium spots and wins, IMO.
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Had my birthday on Monday, and it was very good from a GT point of view, first my wife bought me a wheelstand to replace the folding workbench I've been using for months, and then when I went to test it out, my present from the game was the 2011 Le Mans Audi R18, the dirty battered one that you can only get as a gift I believe?
Not had much racing this week, but looking forward to next week already, Big Willow is one of my favourites for Sport Mode, no exploiting track limits there, if you're off the track, you don't need the penalty system to punish you!! Plus it was where I had my first win in Sport Mode, many months ago in the '65 Shelby Mustang, might have to run the Gr.4 Mustang a couple of times to try and match that!
Not had much racing this week, but looking forward to next week already, Big Willow is one of my favourites for Sport Mode, no exploiting track limits there, if you're off the track, you don't need the penalty system to punish you!! Plus it was where I had my first win in Sport Mode, many months ago in the '65 Shelby Mustang, might have to run the Gr.4 Mustang a couple of times to try and match that!
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- Ontario
- SvennoJ
- SvenZ
In my opinion, any overtake where there was any contact or the other car must take evasive actions is a failed overtake. Any successful overtake is more rewarding than a victory for me. Clean race bonus is the goal.
This leads to me not qualifying to stay away from the rubbing is racing crowd. In general DR.B drivers are more careful not to make contact. It's simple math with the DR/SR system we have. Force your way to the front gets rewarded, while driving contact free puts you at a disadvantage. Yet that's the way I like to race.
Knowing when to back out is the most important skill in racing!
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- Nor Cal
- sturk0167
Hmmm... I didn't even know that could be done.
Yesterday, when the new races were announced, I almost did a post that said Sven is on the phone with his dealer right now, placing a major order, so he won't have to miss any N24 races due to sleep. I thought someone might actually take me seriously, so I decided not to post it. I still might, though.
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- Ontario
- SvennoJ
- SvenZ
PD likes the idea of clean racing. Hence selection on SR first. Unfortunately the penalty and SR system is a bit ****. Then it selects people on DR to put people with the same race pace together. Unfortunately DR is a bit **** when it comes to reflecting race pace.
Selecting people on qualifying times will only make more rooms like the one I had just now. DR.B to DR.D, SR.S to SR.B. It was a wreck fest. You won't be getting any clean races anymore when SR disappears. It doesn't work that well as it is, but it is still a deterrent against dirty driving and somewhat delivers you cleaner races at high SR.
So if you prioritize qualifying times, what to do with SR? Reset your qualifying time instead of DR resets! Might not be a bad idea lol.
I don't mind who I run with, as long as I don't have to start mid pack which usually means multiple SR Downs in the first lap and a good chance at a BS penalty. I can't qualify well enough to start in the safer top 5 zone. Mid pack is always a mess and the penalty system makes it worse. So it's mostly preserving my SR by not qualifying. Then I can take it easy in lap 1, study who I'm racing against and tackle the field one at a time.
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- Brazil
Had a disastrous day yesterday at Interlagos. Terrible results and was punted all over the track. SR down to A. The good thing is that I kept calm through the storm, didn't feel like sending anyone flying.
I want to see some of these races.
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- joeyleonine
Re: Big Willow
Jag all the way. This is how we started all the good times. First of my two career victories was in t'desert wit Jag.
Re: No Qualy
If you choose not to set a time so you can race from the back then that is fine by me. Just don't be a dick about it. If you are faster than me then you should be able to overtake me. But that doesnt mean barge through at the earliest opportunity. I'm allowed to defend and I will. So you work it out. You chose to start behind me, so I don't care if you are going for a last to first ego boost, if you're stuck behind me, deal with it.
If you choose not to qualify because you haven't got the time (or patience - esp with Nordschleife and its 7-10 minute laps) but just want to race... See above. Just race fair and have fun. DR doesn't matter. So finishing last doesn't matter as long as you have fun doing so.
If you choose not to qualify because you genuinely don't care and treat GTS like wreckfest... Well... Chances are you aren't reading this because this community thread ain't your kinda hang out. So I'll just try to ignore you or avoid you, because you ain't worth my time. My R4M friends will find you later (though I fear you'd probably enjoy the retaliation).
Jag all the way. This is how we started all the good times. First of my two career victories was in t'desert wit Jag.
Re: No Qualy
If you choose not to set a time so you can race from the back then that is fine by me. Just don't be a dick about it. If you are faster than me then you should be able to overtake me. But that doesnt mean barge through at the earliest opportunity. I'm allowed to defend and I will. So you work it out. You chose to start behind me, so I don't care if you are going for a last to first ego boost, if you're stuck behind me, deal with it.
If you choose not to qualify because you haven't got the time (or patience - esp with Nordschleife and its 7-10 minute laps) but just want to race... See above. Just race fair and have fun. DR doesn't matter. So finishing last doesn't matter as long as you have fun doing so.
If you choose not to qualify because you genuinely don't care and treat GTS like wreckfest... Well... Chances are you aren't reading this because this community thread ain't your kinda hang out. So I'll just try to ignore you or avoid you, because you ain't worth my time. My R4M friends will find you later (though I fear you'd probably enjoy the retaliation).
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- SvennoJ
- SvenZ
You put a good example up of one of those not too far back
Or did you mean the more careful contact free races. They can be found in SR.C where people get afraid their DR might get reset. SR.A has them too since most there want to get back to SR.S.
No luck so far this morning getting a clean race bonus in the vantage at Interlagos. Terrible connections resulting in getting tapped from behind for SR Down has been spoiling my last 3 attempts. That's another thing you have to deal with on the Americas server. Lots of yellow connections and usually a red one in every race. Wobbly cars everywhere, jumping back in braking zones, stalling mid corner before jumping ahead again. One red bar connection who was glitching all over the place reported with all orange parameters and 1 ms ping. I guess it was so bad it couldn't display the real ping number lol.
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- TT_Pigems
Hmmm... I didn't even know that could be done.
Yesterday, when the new races were announced, I almost did a post that said Sven is on the phone with his dealer right now, placing a major order, so he won't have to miss any N24 races due to sleep. I thought someone might actually take me seriously, so I decided not to post it. I still might, though.
Yeah man, works like a charm, a mouse does not work though, gotta use the DS4 for that.
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