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Groundfish
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You posted a video of yourself swerving late and sideswiping the car ahead off the racing line. You pissed him off by cheating.
You posted this as an example of the ‘dirty guy’ punting you, further complained about the dirty racing on c.
This prompted me to say I would have punted you just like that guy you barged past.
My idea was to help you see why what you did was improper.
You brought that punt on yourself.
It’s not my job to help you, but I tried to and you became condescending.
Kind of funny how this interaction worked out isn’t it?
You behaved as if I had no idea what I was talking about and so I responded.
It’s no different than the response given by the guy you sideswiped t1.
Hey I could care less how a person plays,
I do like pointing out misconceptions like yours to assist those reading who maybe care about things like playing well, improving and having more fun.
Cheers
Edit Honestly I know for a fact I have invested way more time thought and energy into driving games than most people.
That’s a fact.
A lot of times I post and share content in game just on the odd chance maybe it helps someone.
::shrug::
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LOL.
I do genuinely find this interesting. I'll try and put some other examples together for discussion.
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Just adding my 2 cents worth I thought it was a savage lunge but was possible to complete clean racing if both parties committed to it. Neither did. I have been learning myself how to gauge and guess this stuff to try and keep clean and found it really pays to re examine things thinking about how it would affect you if someone pulled it on you.
I have had to learn to not say anything most times until I have had a look at the replay but we all lose it and blast someone post race. Heck, I got it the other night when I was in the middle at Goodwood and was used by the inside guy to clear out the outside car.
However, if you are trying to make a point about being clean you have to make sure you are solidly in the clear with your moves instead of having trouble if you make a 50/50 attempt and it ends in contact.
I have had to learn to not say anything most times until I have had a look at the replay but we all lose it and blast someone post race. Heck, I got it the other night when I was in the middle at Goodwood and was used by the inside guy to clear out the outside car.
However, if you are trying to make a point about being clean you have to make sure you are solidly in the clear with your moves instead of having trouble if you make a 50/50 attempt and it ends in contact.
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Oh the excuses. The Ferrari dive bombed from 0.734 sec back. Punted me wide, I get SR Down and left sliding on the green run off. What does he have to say when I call him out. "I was on the inside, you left me no space...." "You swerved under braking" Some people.
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Fair enough. "Racing incident" try leaving space ffs
Oh the excuses. The Ferrari dive bombed from 0.734 sec back. Punted me wide, I get SR Down and left sliding on the green run off. What does he have to say when I call him out. "I was on the inside, you left me no space...." "You swerved under braking" Some people.
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It's really just a matter of proper video editing.
For instance, the clip in question, should have started after turn 3.
I absolutely take those things into consideration when deciding where to start and stop my clips. 👍
*I agree with you about perspective. If 250Cal watched the replay from the other guys view, it would likely appear that things happened a bit differently. Still not puntworthy, though.
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I don't think deliberately punting anyone has any place in the game, for whatever reason. Obviously I'm in the tiny minority on this one, but I just can't bring myself to do it, even though I race the same dailies as you guys do, and see the shenanigans that go on.
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Looks like next week's races got posted early:
Race A:
Suzuka Circuit East Course
N100, 5 laps, Sports hard tires *provided car
Race B:
Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow
Gr4, 5 laps, Racing hard tires
Race C:
Nürburgring 24h
Gr3, 2 laps, Fuel 5x tires 7x racing hard tires (maybe mediums too?).
Race A:
Suzuka Circuit East Course
N100, 5 laps, Sports hard tires *provided car
Race B:
Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow
Gr4, 5 laps, Racing hard tires
Race C:
Nürburgring 24h
Gr3, 2 laps, Fuel 5x tires 7x racing hard tires (maybe mediums too?).
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Can't remember the last time this happened, but after clocking a 1:38.0 yesterday in the Jag in a couple of 15-20 minute sessions I fully expected to beat it today... nope! Barely improved on my optimal. Gonna take some solace for tonight at least that the last time I did GR4 at Interlagos my best time was 1:38.7 and that was in the Lambo - and I couldn't get near it in the Jag, was around half a second a lap slower. So will have a go in the Lambo tomorrow then no doubt be confounded by not being able to get near my time again!
That really wasn't a dive bomb, he just mugged him. The tyres on the Megane would have been shot and if you're in that Megane, you see the Lambo closing in down the straight, just move to the inside and he can't do the move. It's a very wide entry into T1 and you turn in very late taking the racing line so there's plenty of opportunity to go up the inside. @250Cal didn't shove him off anywhere, just put his car somewhere so the Megane couldn't take the racing line. Forceful? Maybe. Dive bomb? Never. The Megane driver basically had his pants pulled down. The ONLY thing in my opinion after watching it multiple times is Cal could have backed out earlier around T2 so as not to go off track rather than floor it into T3, but the move into T1 was fine
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DesertPenguin
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Unlikely, KP mentions no other tyre type but Hards. "Tire: Racing: Hard" and "Mandatory Tires at Pit Stop: Racing: Hard."
Usually if there's an alternate tyre option, those categories will have a difference in tyres like Fuji a few weeks ago. Also, the previous N24 Gr.3 race only had Hards available and next week appears to be a replica since fuel and tyre multipliers are identical.
Somebody already posted next week's races a few pages back.
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Groundfish
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I’m not sure if you are laughing at me, with me, or are simply uncomfortable.
Anyways prepare for one more wall of text before I am back off on a trip in country.
So there’s a yellow racing line the game provides under driving aids, cones markers lines...
Now, is that line good? What’s good about it?
It’s a racing line.
This line produces excellent results in gt cars if driven properly and consistently. That means having the car at the highest grip limit of the tires your abilities at managing its balance can produce.
As it relates to etiquette, in a race racers are pushing to ‘drive the limit’
Racing line provides some margin, not much but a bit more than say qual which is kinda ridiculous in games imo.
A car at the limit is on let’s just say a trajectory. In the video where you barged passed and contacted the car ahead neither of you were close to the limit, but that’s another story...
The car ahead had a big gap from you entering the braking zone and was turning in on the normal racing line.
You did not pull alongside entering braking, that cars driver basically had no way to see you coming.
He’s driving the racing line best he can. All of a sudden WHACK you’re there mid corner entry.
That ain’t right.
Racing is being on or near the limit of grip on the racing line. If you are doing this you CANNOT adjust the cars trajectory instantaneously. If you are below the limit you can alter your line almost anywhere on the track within reason.
You did not present yourself as alongside the other car early enough, everything about that move was late late late.
Then it resulted in contact, and both cars on compromised line with less speed.
You were playing at that moment as if no one else had a right to the track, as if no other humans were competing.
It reminds of what people do to AI.
Anyhow, the yellow racing line provided by gt sport can be driven very consistently and effectively and produce times much faster than 75 percent of drivers can do.
With the proper input fidelity they are plenty quick, but, most people ignore them, and maybe don’t know what a racing line really means.
Watch some racing, when the cars are all kinda in a line running laps at breakneck speed, often they are in a very similar lines.
With pros they all know where the line is, they are all driving on the limit or pretty close (not out of control)
If you wanna understand driving at the limit watch like @Pigems in a Nissan GT-R n300 enter turn one at Suzuka when he hits it right.
The car is not actually going in the direction the steering wheel is pointed exactly, there’s a slip angle deal happening there.
Irl there’s a variation in degrees of slip angle for tires that produce ideal grip and wear characteristics but I digress. Slip angle is a thing.
Anyways, racing etiquette has formed up the way it is because irl it’s quite dangerous to place your car on a trajectory that coincides with another cars trajectory.
This can lead to death and much expense.
So in racing you have to know the other driver has a good awareness of your position.
Irl coming in late and causing contact is gonna cost a lotta money, ruin cars, kill people, and cause fights.
In racing the best place to pass is on the straight, it’s safest and easiest to get a run. Under braking and entry is a little more dangerous, mid corner is by far the riskiest way to go by...
In sport mode many drivers midpack try all their moves in the corners at lower levels, they have not learned this slows everyone down and creates packs.
The generalized concepts are
be fast down the straight
Never touch other cars
Never touch other cars under braking espescially the car ahead of you
If you are planning to take the inside under braking and into corner entry, you should be nose to nose by the beginning of normal braking.
Prioritize corner exit speed.
Exit speed leads to straightaway speed
If, coming down a straight someone has a run on you, choose a line. Once you go one way, don’t go back the other.
They typical thing I do when in this situation is block them from getting on my inside. This way you are communicating to the driver coming, ok I see you, and I am forcing you to go the long way round.
If you initiate an overtake it’s largely on you to do it safely and without bashing into other cars and slowing them in the process.
It’s important to have a concept, like for myself, I have made a lot of mistakes and just try to learn something from them.
But working without a common concept that’s based in Motorsport reality and then going into a driving game forum and calling someone in a video dirty after you broke the most basic etiquette is pigheaded at best.
I have close contact with some old time racers, everything from boats to karting.
The old c open karts with twin 2 stroke 130cc motors.
I’ve been told about the culture, and how when somebody was doing others wrong and kept it up they get a wheel stuck in on em.
(Karts in those days had to rail in between front and rear wheels)
They called it ‘calibrating a guy’
Come up on say their left and put your right front right in front of their left rear and brake some...
BOING they get launched into the air.
We see all the time drivers getting in fights.
So the guy you wronged stuck a wheel in on you.
To me that’s not dirty it’s teaching you something.
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Spend an hour getting a half decent qualifying time, followed by 3x network errors in a row when I actually try to race. 
Why do you mock me PD? Why?
Why do you mock me PD? Why?
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- New Plymouth
I got to agree with you. It isn't worth punting someone almost all of the time, but there are those bad instances where someone really seems intent on destroying your race no matter the cost. And I am so likely to ruin myself more than anything else. I know I have attempted some crap moves over the year but am hopefully getting way better at not doing so. I think it pays to plan ahead a bit more on some tracks as well, usually if you get by them at the right time they can't catch back up and you can get on with your race. Now if I can just develop the speed and skill to do that myself
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Groundfish
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It's really just a matter of proper video editing.
For instance, the clip in question, should have started after turn 3.
I absolutely take those things into consideration when deciding where to start and stop my clips. 👍
*I agree with you about perspective. If 250cal watched the replay from the other guys view, it would likely appear that things happened a bit differently. Still not puntworthy, though.
I deliberately left it in to provide context, like providing an insurer the 30 secs of footage prior to the claim! I clearly don't see that example as "cheating" whereas some others do; I wasn't even attempting to overtake at that point. I also did not deliberately drive off the track to create the other driver a penalty, though you can't see a steering input (but you can see me brake). And I do genuinely find other input interesting if hard to rationalise in certain instances. I've never thought ducking out of the slipstream onto the brakes was a no-no. If people think I'm a dirty driver based on that example then that's on me.
Here's some more footage from that race, a few laps prior to the earlier clip.
Honestly, if I reacted in that same way to people doing that to me I'd never accumulate any SR. I sent someone to the gravel last week, per my vid, for repetitive nudging, diving and barging but typically I just soak it up as I'd rather just make progress. My observations about midfield battles has been about the brutality. This, for example, is fairly typical of a race at DR B, SR A:
In many cases it's not cheating, it's just hard and close quarter battles amongst people who don't really have total control. It's generally more touring car than F1. I just try to get through it as quickly and cleanly as possible. Maybe I've been a dirtbag all along and didn't know it. I certainly don't have the kind of record Sven does.
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