"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[El_Beardo]

Aaaaand, there we go. A new Gr.3 PB at Suzuka. 2:00.625.

I know I need to tidy up Degner 1, and Spoon. Other than that, anyone have any pointers?



Edit: I also need to make that livery Sport mode friendly.

 

[CurbHog]

Interlagos for me this week.
This video is of a race where the start is bunching up the field with some weird lagging, but it provides me an opportunity that I capitalize on. I have some great scraps with "VFrancisco" from Canada. It gets pretty feisty here and there.
I'm driving the McLaren and that car is not bad on this track. VFrancisco is driving the same one. We also see a lambo here and there and in the the last lap, I'm battling battling a Ferrari.
The tire situation was the best in the end between the cars I have tried. I think I also might have been overly cautious and that caused me some problems. I have so far tried McLaren, Mustang and Ferrari. I think I will move the BB to -2 instead of neutral and see if that improves the tire situation in the end.

Enjoy the race ! (Edited for length)

 

[Ashthebash]

Just tried the Jag around Interlagos and dropped .2, down to a 38.333 now. I like the gearing better than the Merc, but I’m not sure if you have to wind it out or shift a bit early in this car?

I wind it out... but not sure whether I should or not! The gearing really does suit the track though - other than T4 for me. I hate T4 with a passion. Did some laps in the Lambo earlier (I really haven't had time to get down and racing this week - it's annoying!) and I think the Lambo is geared slightly better but I couldn't match what I was doing in the Jag, constantly 0.3-0.5 slower

 

[suprajef]

I wind it out... but not sure whether I should or not! The gearing really does suit the track though - other than T4 for me. I hate T4 with a passion. Did some laps in the Lambo earlier (I really haven't had time to get down and racing this week - it's annoying!) and I think the Lambo is geared slightly better but I couldn't match what I was doing in the Jag, constantly 0.3-0.5 slower

No need to wind it out. Just shift a little before or at redline

 

[Redneckchef]

SR.S is a mess. Yet no matter how many red ratings at the end, it never changes. They always come back. Here is 2 laps of SR.S

It's not really dirty, more reckless, clueless, impatience, lack of situational awareness, mixed with plenty lag.

And I guess I'm DR.C now, this being the final nail in the coffin

How dare you attempt to pass those poor drivers. First they are unfairly penalized because the driver in front brake checked by trying to actually slow down for a turn, then you won't engage them in mortal combat. You just drive on by. Naughty of you not to play with them!!

I actually got behind a group doing that in my race this morning and kept waiting for them to fry their tires or punt each other off. No such luck. They were dirty, but not manipulating everything or going straight psycho. Lots of bumping and side tapping. Did pass 2 of them but one got back by me in turn 4 and then did a smooth brake check in the uphill rights. Just wait until you are at the point you need to accelerate straight on and then feather the throttle for a clean turbo boost and slow me down enough to fall into the clutches of the guy behind. I do have to say it was interesting but stressful following them for quite a while and trying to stay clean and clear. Way they were driving and still staying roughly my speed had me too nervous to try any bold passes.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Of all the ways to lose the clean race bonus

Sure PD, enforce crossing the pit entry line, not the exit one that always causes trouble

I don't mind since I'm currently driving the Viper which is very nice on this track and finished 3rd. Excellent driver there in front of me, we swapped places a couple times, then I got ahead a bit on the straights while he would catch back up in the turns. At the end we caught up to 3rd place who we both passed cleanly. Fun race.

 

[O604]

I don't mind since I'm currently driving the Viper which is very nice on this track and finished 3rd. Excellent driver there in front of me, we swapped places a couple times, then I got ahead a bit on the straights while he would catch back up in the turns. At the end we caught up to 3rd place who we both passed cleanly. Fun race.

I was thinking of trying race with the Viper. Can I ask, did you pit?

 

[Redneckchef]

Of all the ways to lose the clean race bonus

Sure PD, enforce crossing the pit entry line, not the exit one that always causes trouble

I don't mind since I'm currently driving the Viper which is very nice on this track and finished 3rd. Excellent driver there in front of me, we swapped places a couple times, then I got ahead a bit on the straights while he would catch back up in the turns. At the end we caught up to 3rd place who well both passed cleanly. Fun race.

Very nasty. You're giving me flashbacks with that. I ran a 1:39.2 the other night as a qualifying lap, negated by that same penalty. Haven't been able to get within a half a second since. On the other hand, it means I'm not falsely up the field at the start I guess.

 

[NoStopN]

At the rate I'm going, I'm giving out DR points like Halloween candy.

 

[Pigems]

Did a couple of races in the Jag tonight after using it to improve my Q time. I like it, but it does eat it’s front tires quite a bit in the race.

Started at the back for the first one with @Winnie847 starting either on pole or P2, I can’t remember now. Had a good race but there was one guy in a Megane that was bump passing every thing he came close to, causing buildups in traffic as he did it. It makes it harder to gain places when the cars bunch up into 2/3/4 car groups. It was still a fun race though and @Winnie847 ended up winning the race, Congrats on the Dub Man!

I qualified between races and ended up starting the next race up front, no PoohBear in this race though. I had a 1s lead by the start of L2 and the guy in 2nd pitted on lap 6 or 7, never saw another car again after that.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I was thinking of trying race with the Viper. Can I ask, did you pit?

No, I'm driving all GR.4 cars without pitting. The Viper does lose quite a bit of grip but not the worst. It is a challenge with the FF cars I'm on a controller and not that great at saving tires, but I don't think it's worth pitting for the couple seconds I lose in the final laps. The Sirocco was the worst, I hardly had any front tires left. Setting brake balance to max rear only helped a sliver. I drive most cars with brake balance to the rear as the front tires always seem to suffer the most. It does make cars like the Viper slightly break out when entering turns, probably just making tire wear worse :/

However even with all the tire wear it's still a lot less slippery than Suzuka! I did a race there in between in the 911 and it was like driving in the rain. I did have the right tires on. (Saw some poor fellow start on intermediates, fell 26 sec back...)

Yay, hit the jackpot again. The ever elusive yellow flag penalty that always manages to find me week after week. That means another round in the Viper before switching to the next car.

Avoid the car losing control, still get 3 sec penalty

 

[O604]

No, I'm driving all GR.4 cars without pitting. The Viper does lose quite a bit of grip but not the worst. It is a challenge with the FF cars I'm on a controller and not that great at saving tires, but I don't think it's worth pitting for the couple seconds I lose in the final laps. The Sirocco was the worst, I hardly had any front tires left. Setting brake balance to max rear only helped a sliver. I drive most cars with brake balance to the rear as the front tires always seem to suffer the most. It does make cars like the Viper slightly break out when entering turns, probably just making tire wear worse :/

However even with all the tire wear it's still a lot less slippery than Suzuka! I did a race there in between in the 911 and it was like driving in the rain. I did have the right tires on. (Saw some poor fellow start on intermediates, fell 26 sec back...)

Thank you. Had a go in the Viper with no stop. It was fine. Me on the other hand. Not so fine.

Why does it default to intermediates?!? I've done that in GT League a few times. Just a matter of time before I do it in a Daily.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Thank you. Had a go in the Viper with no stop. It was fine. Me on the other hand. Not so fine.

Why does it default to intermediates?!? I've done that in GT League a few times. Just a matter of time before I do it in a Daily.

If you use rain tires during any practice session in any car the game will remember it, and since they are always available the game will happily let you start on them. The game is always messing up my tcs settings. Suddenly I started with TCS 0 on Suzuka, I've never driven a GR.3 car without TCS, certainly not the Porsche. Yet GR.4 I drive without TCS and it keeps starting me on TCS 3

My favorite way to deal with a dive bomb. It requires the car to be at the right distance behind and some careful timing.

So rewarding

And I quit the next one, car spun out, could not avoid this time, penalty for me, time for a break. That race was chaos, I dodged at least 5 accidents before I eventually got nailed. It might be too late for clean racing, just drunk people left....

 

[O604]

So rewarding

If you watch the radar, I believe that's called a Dosey Doe.

 

[CurbHog]

Awesome scrap! We each have respect after the race.

Best Ive seen. Bravo !

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Absolutely. I would rock the hell out of any paint job that someone made for me.
How about a sinister looking Gr.4 86, with demons and flames? 👍

I made one. Use it if you like

(Sinister, I am not sure anyone can make a GT86 look sinister or menacing. But I tried)

 

[6BK]

Somehow I feel like I haven't earned the right to be in here the last two weeks. 6 races last week and 2 this. Now...so as not to waste time tonight if I do get a chance:

My best Q time on Daily C is in the Megane but I'm only .25 secs behind in the WRX. A full .7 secs ahead of the Jag. If I get on tonight I plan on using the WRX but what's it like on tyres? Has anyone used it in a race?

 

[benjoi84]

25 practice laps around Race A trying get down my quali time...very frustrating and huge amounts of fun!

My PB is stuck at 1.29.1 but the unicorn of 1.28.1 sits on my Opt. mocking me, still after that huge session.

For a stretch of 8 or 9 consecutive laps at a time I would be lapping in the high 29s and low 30s but then when I really pushed I'd find myself 7 or 8 tenths ahead but brutally unable to hang onto it.

Whether it's picking up a penalty on turn one, braking too hard on any one of the smoother corners or completely bottling it and going into the wall at the final chicane, I would find a way to ruin a perfectly good attempt.

So, here I sit, still frustrated that after 30 minutes I've only achieved one tenth of improvement despite totally working the car out.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Somehow I feel like I haven't earned the right to be in here the last two weeks. 6 races last week and 2 this. Now...so as not to waste time tonight if I do get a chance:

My best Q time on Daily C is in the Megane but I'm only .25 secs behind in the WRX. A full .7 secs ahead of the Jag. If I get on tonight I plan on using the WRX but what's it like on tyres? Has anyone used it in a race?

The WRX was fine on tires. I used it with brake balance to the rear since the front tires wear faster. It was one of the better ones when it comes to tire wear. You still lose a bit of time in the last few laps but not worth pitting.

 

[250Cal]

25 practice laps around Race A trying get down my quali time...very frustrating and huge amounts of fun!

My PB is stuck at 1.29.1 but the unicorn of 1.28.1 sits on my Opt. mocking me, still after that huge session.

For a stretch of 8 or 9 consecutive laps at a time I would be lapping in the high 29s and low 30s but then when I really pushed I'd find myself 7 or 8 tenths ahead but brutally unable to hang onto it.

Whether it's picking up a penalty on turn one, braking too hard on any one of the smoother corners or completely bottling it and going into the wall at the final chicane, I would find a way to ruin a perfectly good attempt.

So, here I sit, still frustrated that after 30 minutes I've only achieved one tenth of improvement despite totally working the car out.

That final chicane is a destroyer of dreams. It's really worth watching the top laps to see where small differences equate to big chunks of time.

 

[Ashthebash]

Aaaaand, there we go. A new Gr.3 PB at Suzuka. 2:00.625.

I know I need to tidy up Degner 1, and Spoon. Other than that, anyone have any pointers?



Edit: I also need to make that livery Sport mode friendly.

You seem to slightly short shift into Dunlop - I'd shift at the normal time. The extra power up that hill will gain you a little speed that you'll carry all through the corner and down to Degner 1. I'm not really one to talk about lines! Yours are similar to mine (as your time would be if you tidy up the two corners you mention!), but hanging on to 3rd a little longer up that hill might be an easy couple of tenths for you

Somehow I feel like I haven't earned the right to be in here the last two weeks. 6 races last week and 2 this. Now...so as not to waste time tonight if I do get a chance:

Wouldn't worry - I'm on zero since the reset! Won't get a proper chance to get stuck in and race until maybe tomorrow evening or Saturday morning

 

[Illum_Concept]

Bear with me on this one (or feel free to ignore it completely), I'm a little bored so thought I'd compare qualifying times between the current daily race A and the same event from July.

Top qualifying time has improved by 0.037s (0.04%).
Mean top 10 time has improved by 0.012s (0.01%), though we have a few days left for this improvement to "catch up".
If we assume (!) as a baseline that these top guys are always as good as it gets, then improvement is theoretically down to physics changes.

For me, personally, I've improved from 1:28.606 to 1:28.437.
Let's say 0.04% of that (or 0.035s) is physics. So my actual improvement over 3.5 months is 0.134s, or 0.15%.

So on one hand, woohoo, I'm still improving

On the other hand, realistically I've clearly peaked and as my wife often tells me this could well be a colossal waste of my time

 

[6BK]

The WRX was fine on tires. I used it with brake balance to the rear since the front tires wear faster. It was one of the better ones when it comes to tire wear. You still lose a bit of time in the last few laps but not worth pitting.

Good job! In Q laps I'm playing with BB and not found what exactly I want but -3 was working OK. From memory -3 is bias to the front? I'll give it a go and can play with balance as I race. Cheers!

 

[250Cal]

Bear with me on this one (or feel free to ignore it completely), I'm a little bored so thought I'd compare qualifying times between the current daily race A and the same event from July.

Top qualifying time has improved by 0.037s (0.04%).
Mean top 10 time has improved by 0.012s (0.01%), though we have a few days left for this improvement to "catch up".
If we assume (!) as a baseline that these top guys are always as good as it gets, then improvement is theoretically down to physics changes.

For me, personally, I've improved from 1:28.606 to 1:28.437.
Let's say 0.04% of that (or 0.035s) is physics. So my actual improvement over 3.5 months is 0.134s, or 0.15%.

So on one hand, woohoo, I'm still improving

On the other hand, realistically I've clearly peaked and as my wife often tells me this could well be a colossal waste of my time

Have the physics changed?

 

[Illum_Concept]

Have the physics changed?

To be honest I haven't checked. It was just a lazy assumption, that even if undocumented there will likely be very minor grip, bop adjustments, etc. thrown in by PD. Especially with the change of tyre sponsor.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Simple if someone hits the back of your car the penalty should be on them. Unfortunately there will alway be brake checkers.

Not really. The game has a system in place for ghosting cars that are in the midst of an accident. I've also noted that they game knows acceleration and braking zones. All that needs to happen is that a car becomes a ghost if the delta of your speed changes too much outside of a braking zone. It wouldn't catch all cases, but it would greatly reduce the use of brake checking.

Seeing as it took them almost two years to fix the lap time bug on the multi-function display, it's probably just a case of all hands on deck for GT7, although that fix should be put in place for Sport and 7.

But, I agree, the responsibility should always be on the trailing car. Even in the person is front is blocking (IMHO). Hopefully, the new PS5 has a little more horsepower for a better AI for determining blame.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Have the physics changed?

Since I took a bit of a break over the summer, I can say that I believe the physics has changed to an extent. The cars are easier to guide toward the apex and a little less prone to sliding around. Also, trail braking is a more prominent feature than it was in the past. If you don't release the brake, you will understeer past the apex. Also, brake balance is less of a factor in the car's handling.

There may not have been a night and day change, but there was a definite change. I am just starting to get back to grips with it (no pun intended).

I think it's all down to the tires. Maybe that deal with Michelin came with more tire data.

 

[250Cal]

Not really. The game has a system in place for ghosting cars that are in the midst of an accident. I've also noted that they game knows acceleration and braking zones. All that needs to happen is that a car becomes a ghost if the delta of your speed changes too much outside of a braking zone. It wouldn't catch all cases, but it would greatly reduce the use of brake checking.

Seeing as it took them almost two years to fix the lap time bug on the multi-function display, it's probably just a case of all hands on deck for GT7, although that fix should be put in place for Sport and 7.

But, I agree, the responsibility should always be on the trailing car. Even in the person is front is blocking (IMHO). Hopefully, the new PS5 has a little more horsepower for a better AI for determining blame.

My laptime display is still screwed.

Interlagos has been kind this week. 12 races, 151 positions gained, 4456 DR up, 16 SR up. Now DR A SR S.

 

[Dairyworker]

Three great races so far in the clio this morning. @Mc_Yavel has been in them all so far. One of them was an amazing race from start to finish with him and two other friends. He may have taken down t1 in the last race, not sure what happend.

Going in for more, hope the quality keeps up...

 

[Invisigoth]

The lunatics are on the grass...the lunatics are on the grass (and sand...and astroturf)..... Ok, was saving that one for Goodwood some day, but dang if it just don't describe Sukiyaki to a tee . I was intending to enter Race C, but missed entry by 2 mins. Since I only do one race a night, I didn't feel like waiting for half past midnight, so I jumped in to Race B with 7 mins to go and no prior qualy this week there. Stupid I know, but I figured it was worth a try. My weapon of choice for tonight's mayhem, the plastic fantastic manufactured by the General. I put in some laps, managed to cut 4 seconds off my previous laps with the last lap, scraping in with 2 seconds to spare before it switched over to "race matching please wait". I was on an all DR/D grid, that had me starting P7/15. A hair over 1s faster would have had me on pole.

Race starts and auto drive works as advertised (ever since @Mistah_MCA 's lobby I get nervous till auto drive actualy lets go) and the dash for crash is underway. A couple of people became croppers at T1, but you could kinda tell that this was not the first race for the week for some of them. I hung in there and managed to hold on. I did scrape someone going around Dunlop. they were way wide with tyres on the outside kerb. Just as I had overlap they managed to turn in but I was already going through. They followed this up with an out and in again ram against my side. Orange SR for me and a 2s penalty.

I just kept going. I had managed to get back a couple of places I had made up, only to loose them again when I served my penalty. All I could do was give chase and that worked. I was up to P5 on the final lap. The guy behind me had closed the gap because I had to throttle back on T15 so I didn't spin out on the astroturf. I was set up for my braking and entry into the chicane when he went flying up the inside, braking late, blocking my entry so he could ponderously trickle through the chicane taking up the entire width and then accelerate to the finish. He probably thought he was a hero.. not the words *I'd* use . He was lucky I had been braking when I had or he would have been punted into next week by me not being able to stop in time.

SR down 4, DR up 260. <sigh> another day above DR 1.