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Winnie847
Pitting takes too long. It’s like a 12s loss, I tested it last night and almost lost a huge lead I had. Find a car that is better on tires or try to adjust your driving style to save tires more. I think braking hard and braking too much while turning in is what eats tires the most, so brake a little earlier than usual and only in a straight line. Brake lightly if you must trail brake in the twisty parts of the track.
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To add, I think also on certain turns like certain uphill sweepers, like the left hander exiting the Esses at Suzuka it can be faster over a lap or two to just mash that throttle early and push the car through a bit of understeer, and while you lose a couple tenths just going a touch slower you save a lot of right front tire.
Same with I think t5 at Interlagos, the uphill right hander...Depending how you take it it can really tear tires up.
Jmo
 
Groundfish
To add, I think also on certain turns like certain uphill sweepers, like the left hander exiting the Esses at Suzuka it can be faster over a lap or two to just mash that throttle early and push the car through a bit of understeer, and while you lose a couple tenths just going a touch slower you save a lot of right front tire.
Same with I think t5 at Interlagos, the uphill right hander...Depending how you take it it can really tear tires up.
Jmo
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That's exactly why a race B guy like me struggle so much in C.
 
I've been enjoying Suzuka this week, not lightening quick but running 2.06:6xx placing 9th on the grid consistently but the problem I've had every race is that in the heat of the race it seems that the grip on the track evaporates. I can attribute some of this due to dirty air and the suck, where I have to change braking points but even when the air is clear the traction is horrible. Couple that with usual punters and dive bombers I end up at the back of the pack and fight back to 9/10th for the finish. It's like groundhog day Lol! Has anyone experienced this issue during races with traction disappearing? During quali everything is fine and my pace is comparable to my race pace 2.06 to 2.08 at least I'm consistent.
 
RacingGrandpa
That's exactly why a race B guy like me struggle so much in C.
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I seriously just started paying attention this week how sensitive the entry to that turn is. In the merc, the perfect tiny smooth dab of brake, on a good line where there’s a bit of banking, and the wheel...
I can say, the initial movement to the right....I was doing it suuuuuper slow that first degree of turn, trying to be super smooth and barely turning at all.
It’s sooo hard to really get that right, because you also don’t wanna stop the steering in and then have to jerk it more to do it really perfect. It’s possible to go through there really fast, but it takes precision and calm nerves.
Not easy in a race!
I was just picking up on it this week for the first time how easy it is to turn the wheel a bit too quick there which causes the fronts to scrub.
The tire sounds in game tell you so much.
 
FeloneousMonk
I've been enjoying Suzuka this week, not lightening quick but running 2.06:6xx placing 9th on the grid consistently but the problem I've had every race is that in the heat of the race it seems that the grip on the track evaporates. I can attribute some of this due to dirty air and the suck, where I have to change braking points but even when the air is clear the traction is horrible. Couple that with usual punters and dive bombers I end up at the back of the pack and fight back to 9/10th for the finish. It's like groundhog day Lol! Has anyone experienced this issue during races with traction disappearing? During quali everything is fine and my pace is comparable to my race pace 2.06 to 2.08 at least I'm consistent.
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Suzuka this week has had less traction without tyre wear than Interlagos on the 11th lap. So far it's my worst qualifying in weeks and I reckon it's because I cannot figure the grip. However I don't find it gets worse as the race goes on. 6 races done last night and the only two times I made a mistake myself were both on the first lap. Both times it was when I was up the tail of a car on L1 coming into Degner Curve (T8) and lost it more because of dirty air - every other race I've been so far behind every other car dirty air was not a problem.
 
6BK
Suzuka this week has had less traction without tyre wear than Interlagos on the 11th lap. So far it's my worst qualifying in weeks and I reckon it's because I cannot figure the grip. However I don't find it gets worse as the race goes on. 6 races done last night and the only two times I made a mistake myself were both on the first lap. Both times it was when I was up the tail of a car on L1 coming into Degner Curve (T8) and lost it more because of dirty air - every other race I've been so far behind every other car dirty air was not a problem.
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I've found same issue on the circuit with dirty air so I need to figure out how to deal with that issue, other than that I really like the flow of that circuit. I have only done quali on Race C with the Megane 1:41.762 Interlagos is also a fun track but it seems that people are playing bumper cars on there from what I see lol! I'm going to give it a shot tonight.
 
Race a still being kind to me. A couple really good battles, one where i drove away from every one running 28.7xx for laps 2 3 4 and a 29.0 lap 5. I also completely skrewed up the first race @Mc_Yavel was in with me. In the next one i think the field may have been rough on him as i got away a bit from everyone.
 
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Note to self: 1:00 pm my time, doesn't really work for Asian racing. I'll need to go way earlier, or way later. It was not fun, at all.
I've seen 4 cars in a race, but this was my first time seeing 3.
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Adrenaline and Distraction.

I am, generally, more pumped when I race than when I qualify. My competitive spirit takes over and I get on edge, worry about making mistakes and losing positions and often do just that. Basically, I have little composure.

I also find that when I'm racing, I'll be checking my mirrors, checking the delta, checking stuff on the multimap, watching the guys in front battle it out. A lot of the time it's subconcious and in the periphery, but, it is distracting. And so those braking points, those lines that I've practiced in qualy so precisely, I just miss them, and, as PD are sticklers for accuracy and detail, you miss your line on some of these tracks, there is no grip. Spoon for instance - if you dont hit and stick to that second apex, you'll just carry on out into the dust.

Where as, in qualifying, it's just me. And once I turn the ghost and the lap time thingamob off and soley focus on driving, I tend to be quicker and consistent.

There are physics differences between race and qualy. Undoubtedly.

But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the any differences are exacerbated by psychology.
 
FeloneousMonk
I've found same issue on the circuit with dirty air so I need to figure out how to deal with that issue, other than that I really like the flow of that circuit. I have only done quali on Race C with the Megane 1:41.762 Interlagos is also a fun track but it seems that people are playing bumper cars on there from what I see lol! I'm going to give it a shot tonight.
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You can't really avoid bumper cars. It can be hit and miss so once you learn how to cope with the dirty air at Suzuka and qualify well you'll jump into a race and find yourself being bumped just as much as at Interlagos. I do find that players who race Gr4 or below a lot are caught out by the higher Gr cars when they race them. Last week the Gr2 at Dragon Trail really threw a lot of drivers. Basically you gain speed in the draft and lose traction at the same time because of dirty air so be ready to brake a little earlier and or a little heavier.

sturk0167
Note to self: 1:00 pm my time, doesn't really work for Asian racing. I'll need to go way earlier, or way later. It was not fun, at all.
I've seen 4 cars in a race, but this was my first time seeing 3.
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If that was my lobby I'd probably finish 4th.
 
What to do with a dive bomb? Here I avoid one, lose 2.5 sec on my lap time and 2 spots.

Attacker gets away free, thinks he made a great overtake and speeds away.

Fact is, he had zero overlap before turn in. I had to abort turning and brake more to avoid. Is it just me that thinks that's a dirty move or am I racing wrong? Btw I'm in the crap GT-R which needs to brake early. At least I got the CRB in one go in that piece of junk, next!
 
Sven Jurgens
Attacker gets away free, thinks he made a great overtake and speeds away.
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I seem to remember one of my first posts here was a video of me completeing a similar overtake seeking affirmation...

I didn't really know better and I was rightly educated...

You are racing to GTP Daily Race Discussion standards. A lot of people are not, and by their standards that kinda overtake is A-OK and on the money, so much so that if you'd turned in on him he would probably have squawked about you not checking your mirrors and giving him space.

Frankly, I blame Daniel Ricciardo.
 
Dairyworker
Race a still being kind to me. A couple really good battles, one where i drove away from every one running 28.7xx for laps 2 3 4 and a 29.0 lap 5. I also completely skrewed up the first race @Mc_Yavel was in with me. In the next one i think the field may have been rough on him as i got away a bit from everyone.
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I like your new avatar. I've got that same picture on the side of my Gr.4 Jaguar. 👍
6BK
If that was my lobby I'd probably finish 4th.
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I did in fact, manage to nail down a solid top 5!
 
Back to Race C in the Vantage again, had time for some more laps, and got my time under 1:40, which put me 5th on a grid of mostly Cs, with a few Bs. Perfect start, as there was a 1-bar driver in 7th, who lagged enough to give the front 6 a 7 second head start. 6th seemed a little volatile, so left the door open into T4, and followed on, watching, as there was another 1-bar in a TT in 3rd. P1 or 2 span at T4, lap 2, possibly punted by the TT lagging, but no penalty, and then about lap 5, the TT (now on 3 bars), the BMW I let past on lap 1 and me all ran wide at T4, 0.5s for me and the TT, nothing for the BMW. The TT's tyres were clearly gone, he was all over the place, and pushed me off on the exit of the left in the middle sector (T7?), putting him up to 3.5s, and letting the BMW get away. We served penalties, so I was on my own, 5s back from the P3, and the TT pitted next lap. The BMW's tyres were doing worse than mine, and I started feeling him in, and was on his tail on lap 10, but he weaved on the straights before and after T4, so no way past. I got a better exit from the last corner, and got past up the hill, but then he divebombed into T1. I let him past, but was straight back on him, and got the weaving treatment again. Better exit again from the last corner, and pipped him to the line for 3rd by 0.003!!

No clean race this time, but still 99 SR, and for the first time moved up to DR:B!!!
 
Sven Jurgens
I still made it to 5th thanks to the NSX. My times hardly dropped off at the end and were very consistent during the race, nice car.
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Agreed, I regret having not tried it out earlier. NSX is awesome and seemingly underrated, I've seen only a handful in my races this week. I think I got my fastest race times compared to everything else I've used.

Also qualified in it and ended up with 1:39.2. Surprisingly, that gave me 8th on the grid and I finished with my highest position of 5th.

For anyone that cares, tyres and times:


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Sven Jurgens
Fact is, he had zero overlap before turn in. I had to abort turning and brake more to avoid. Is it just me that thinks that's a dirty move or am I racing wrong? Btw I'm in the crap GT-R which needs to brake early. At least I got the CRB in one go in that piece of junk, next!
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You seemed to brake super early, in that you could have happily hit the apex if it had been positioned 10m earlier? That's the only reason I can think of that someone would be able to pass from so far back like happened there, while not outbraking themselves. They managed to execute a pretty normal line through the bends from reaching the first apex, so somehow they seemed to genuinely take it a lot faster than you. If you'd been as fast as them to the apex, they'd still have been behind you when you reached the apex.

But again, it comes down to a need for the rules to be defined. According to this, it was a good overtake (5A):
https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/
 
Sven Jurgens
What to do with a dive bomb? Here I avoid one, lose 2.5 sec on my lap time and 2 spots.

Attacker gets away free, thinks he made a great overtake and speeds away.

Fact is, he had zero overlap before turn in. I had to abort turning and brake more to avoid. Is it just me that thinks that's a dirty move or am I racing wrong? Btw I'm in the crap GT-R which needs to brake early. At least I got the CRB in one go in that piece of junk, next!
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I am 100% with @JoeyLeonine on this. You race the right way. But unfortunately I am also sure that he thinks that so does he. If that was a real race he would probably be hit with a stop-and-go.
 
Sven Jurgens
What to do with a dive bomb? Here I avoid one, lose 2.5 sec on my lap time and 2 spots.

Attacker gets away free, thinks he made a great overtake and speeds away.

Fact is, he had zero overlap before turn in. I had to abort turning and brake more to avoid. Is it just me that thinks that's a dirty move or am I racing wrong? Btw I'm in the crap GT-R which needs to brake early. At least I got the CRB in one go in that piece of junk, next!
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When someone does that to me I get so frustrated, that guy was .500 sec back and just absolutely dive bombs. But it puts you in a bad spot if you still go for your line he’s just going to bump you out of the way, so you move to avoid it and still loose. There’s no way to win that situation.
 
Oookay I'm done with Sport Mode for the week. I've had some good races at Interlagos, but every other race is filled with divebombs and aggressive defending from drivers who have no pace. I've gotten far too many penalties from aggressive drivers going two wide into a turn, giving me no space, bouncing off of my car and off the track. On two occasions it was almost certainly intentional. Interlagos brings out the worst in aggressive drivers, and Gr.4 doesn't require enough nuance for people to drive with any sense of self-preservation.
 
Groundfish
I seriously just started paying attention this week how sensitive the entry to that turn is. In the merc, the perfect tiny smooth dab of brake, on a good line where there’s a bit of banking, and the wheel...
I can say, the initial movement to the right....I was doing it suuuuuper slow that first degree of turn, trying to be super smooth and barely turning at all.
It’s sooo hard to really get that right, because you also don’t wanna stop the steering in and then have to jerk it more to do it really perfect. It’s possible to go through there really fast, but it takes precision and calm nerves.
Not easy in a race!
I was just picking up on it this week for the first time how easy it is to turn the wheel a bit too quick there which causes the fronts to scrub.
The tire sounds in game tell you so much.
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I love that turn and end up passing a lot of people there. The trick is to brake lightly and a little bit early, right where the pavement starts to darken before the 50m sign and turn in almost at the same time to hit that first apex tightly. Full throttle on exit so you can run wide which will set you up to hit another early apex on the slow right-hander that begins the tighter twisty part. If you miss the curbs on any of the turns on this part of the track, you’re probably not only going too slow but also too wide and leaving the door open. This part of Interlagos can be a defensive racing master class if you do it right because you can defend hard while still maintaining speed and great position.
 
FeloneousMonk
I've been enjoying Suzuka this week, not lightening quick but running 2.06:6xx placing 9th on the grid consistently but the problem I've had every race is that in the heat of the race it seems that the grip on the track evaporates. I can attribute some of this due to dirty air and the suck, where I have to change braking points but even when the air is clear the traction is horrible. Couple that with usual punters and dive bombers I end up at the back of the pack and fight back to 9/10th for the finish. It's like groundhog day Lol! Has anyone experienced this issue during races with traction disappearing? During quali everything is fine and my pace is comparable to my race pace 2.06 to 2.08 at least I'm consistent.
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Given your time, I think the problem is that you are on the wrong part of the track. You may also be on the brakes too long, and shifting too early.

At Suzuka, you REALLY need to be on those apexes. Almost every corner is cambered toward the apex, so if you are wide of the apex, you slide a lot. Also, if you hold the brakes too long, you'll get more under steer than if you bleed off them or even lift off them completely a little earlier. Lastly, almost all the cars lock up the rear a little if you revs a re too high on the downshift, so you can lose the rear on entry.

If you take it slow, even an exaggerated slow, and just worry about hitting the apex, I bet you'll go faster than that 2:06
 
breeminator
You seemed to brake super early, in that you could have happily hit the apex if it had been positioned 10m earlier? That's the only reason I can think of that someone would be able to pass from so far back like happened there, while not outbraking themselves. They managed to execute a pretty normal line through the bends from reaching the first apex, so somehow they seemed to genuinely take it a lot faster than you. If you'd been as fast as them to the apex, they'd still have been behind you when you reached the apex.

But again, it comes down to a need for the rules to be defined. According to this, it was a good overtake (5A):
https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/
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No it wasn't:
the attacker takes an inside line, gets alongside the defender in the braking zone, and beats the defender to the apex.

He only beats me to the apex because I brake and stop steering in. I'm done braking at 106kph and turning in already, then have to brake further down to 44 kph to avoid. Watch my brake input, I let off the brake then see him closing in on the radar and mirror and avoid. It was the right speed to take that corner in the GT-R in lap 6 on worn tires. 20% past the 100 marker.

Some cars can brake much later sure, but you still need to get alongside the defender in the braking zone, not after.
 
I got my alt account SR back to 99, and the next race I gave back a nice chunk of it.
In about one lap, watch me get 3 SR deductions for essentially not really hurting anyone. It's so ridiculous that it's funny.
The first one, I guess I could've backed off a little, but whatever. Didn't hurt him.
At 0:47 I thought I'd be meeting the grim reaper (got lucky).
On the second one, I knew he was there, but I didn't think he was gonna go for it. He started on the pole and dropped back at the beginning.
He's not dirty. He had remorse, and ended up slowing down.


The rest of the race was good. This next clip is from the final lap, when I had really tight, close battle with another guy, and somehow we never touched each other. I didn't notice until I watched this replay that at one point he apparently became so distracted by me and what I was doing, that you can hear him miss his shift at 0:45. :lol:
 
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