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- 445
- Australia
I just had this right now... Tried to improve my qual time but now more than 1sec off it... Rage quit
- 153
- Dublin
- ii_Biggles_ii
It's a case of you need to slow down to go faster, I find too that I set a time on the limit in every corner then can only just about match it but digging deeper pushing too hard in the wrong places can scrub speed off, sometimes lifting and drifting is all that is needed and planting the throttle causes understeer. Watching the fast qualifying replays sometimes I realize there not entering some of the corners as fast. It kind of like you look at your time I think I'm really going to go for it and beat that now and the exact opposite happens. I'm still trying to master it even thought in my head I know what I'm doing wrong.
The issue with Monza (other than the crazies!) if that if someone pushes you through either of the first two chicanes you get reset. So they get maybe a 4s penalty but by the time you've re taken the corner you lose 5s minimum. And it if happens at T1 you can drop from 3rd to 12th and get caught in the pack.
It would be fairer if the game simply added a penalty for any advantage gained from being pushed though. The same way it does for Ascari if you cut it (so they tell me
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I guess this is the same for other tracks like Le Mans (or any chicane based tracks)
It would be fairer if the game simply added a penalty for any advantage gained from being pushed though. The same way it does for Ascari if you cut it (so they tell me
)I guess this is the same for other tracks like Le Mans (or any chicane based tracks)
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- United States
I tried that in my first race last night...starting on hards. I was gridded P2, but both my DR and SR have taken a big hit recently, and I'm racing at a low B, SR-C right now. I think I could have had the pace to make it work, but all I got were dive-bombs for the first 2 laps, one of which gave me a 2 second penalty and put me back out of the top 10. SR is tough in this race, and I'm sick of being with the bashers. The next I started on Mediums from pole, got one penalty. I still don't get how the P4 car can plow through the field at T1, take the lead, and I get a penalty. Thought I had P2 wrapped up, but the VW that was in P3 got upset and there was contact when he put it up the inside on the final corner, I got loose, and dropped to P4. I guess I'll try again tonight. Who know,. maybe I'll get back up to S...or reset.
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- Nelson, England
- GTP_ASH32
Used the Supra and Beetle now too, list updated.
Supra race had very few clear/clean laps, it felt Ok, could be better than that actually.
Beetle was ok but obviously lacks top speed but it's usable if you want a challenge. Possible you could get a race where you get stuck and pushed about though.
Supra race had very few clear/clean laps, it felt Ok, could be better than that actually.
Beetle was ok but obviously lacks top speed but it's usable if you want a challenge. Possible you could get a race where you get stuck and pushed about though.
- 736
- United States
Beetle seems to do okay in the draft. I was in the GT-R and he had no problem staying on my tail. I think my cornering speed was slowing him, but I usually get good drives.Used the Supra and Beetle now too, list updated.
Supra race had very few clear/clean laps, it felt Ok, could be better than that actually.
Beetle was ok but obviously lacks top speed but it's usable if you want a challenge. Possible you could get a race where you get stuck and pushed about though.
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- AB, (Slowpony17)
- SubArcticK
I have a related problem. I have a lot of time due to Covid so I have been doing a ton of qualifying/practice laps. In the Fuji race I ended up with a pretty good Q time for me, but I am finding that some of the people a second slower are quicker than me. Some sandbagging perhaps, . I am still doing ok.. lots of moving up 2 places and 3 places, but no opportunity for wins. If someone ahead of me is .200 ahead in QT, then in the races they are often a whole second or more faster, even when we are both clear of traffic.
I don't want to sandbag my QT, but I also don't think I should be playing off a time where I have run 50 laps and my QT has happened to hit close to optimum for all sectors. What is the fairest practice to make sure your QT is representative of your ability. Should I just do about 10 laps, set a QT, hop in the races and then improve during the week? And then even if I am crushing my QT time, don't try and improve it??
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- Ulricehamn
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- England
@ii_Biggles_ii Sorry about the daily race C was totally my fault. Sim twitch, panicked and hit brakes not leaving you anywhere to go. I was racing badly in that race and I paid the price. Sorry if I messed up your race or lost you places.
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- United States
- jflagg82
I saw a lot of this last night in the B race. Yes the pens system sucks, but I’d rather drive in a way to avoid stupid penalties at all costs. Does it make me slower? Probably. But I hate seeing people just getting frustrated and trying to ruin your race along with them.
Had a few moments last night where I could see that people either a) had no idea where the brake points are, or b) we’re just intentionally trying to dive bomb. Managed to just predict where they were going to be and let them run super wide without hitting me and keep my position with an undercut.
Had a few moments last night where I could see that people either a) had no idea where the brake points are, or b) we’re just intentionally trying to dive bomb. Managed to just predict where they were going to be and let them run super wide without hitting me and keep my position with an undercut.
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- Dublin
- ii_Biggles_ii
It's not your fault, I was closing fast on you but was going to wait until you reached the penalty marker and I think I lifted at the same time you did and I had one eye on the guy behind me and didn't know which way to go and when I realized you had lifted I couldn't avoid you. It was a messy race and I had someone tap me at the second chicane entrance and I spun and hit the wall and I pitted early which put me right back but I was going to play the long game on the medium tyres which is why I was not in a hurry to pass you. Anyway it was a racing incident and nothing more intended but I felt bad ramming you from behind. The race before I had someone brake well before the 200m marker into the first corner because a car had come out of the pits, I was on his bumper so it wasn't pretty but I never in my life braked so early for a corner. Races at the weekend can be even more messy that during the week.
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- Dublin
- ii_Biggles_ii
Took my own advice and tried to beat my qualifying lap at Monza so I slowed it down where I knew I was understeering by trying to corner too fast and took 0.4 sec of the lap time and sitting on 1:49.2 I know that there's more to learn but getting there slowly, I also ventured into another race in the RCZ and started pole but started on hard tyres which I know now is a mistake when on pole so more lessons learnt there too, still after dropping to 5th I finished 3rd and at the front it was a very clean race so I shows it can be done at Monza.
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- United States
- BEBOP-zero
I know what you mean, I have been getting constantly faster in race C. I learned to slow down a bit, especially in the chicane entrances, so I can have a cleaner and faster exit. Took nearly a second off in one night by doing so. I'm sitting at 1:48.8 and I know I can still go quicker.
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- 1,072
- Behind you
That's the last time I try to avoid an idiot exiting the pit wrong, I lost time and got a pen so he could merrily go and and beat me. Going to lose time and get a pen it's going to be because they get punted.
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- San Jose, CA
- Little_Guppy_72
I have a theory on this one.
When you qualify you get into a zone and rhythm. Typically, you are comparing yourself to your last good lap, look for the blue sectors, cut corners, run roughshod over sausages, chase the Top 10 ghost or whatever.... anything to get that best lap. It is effective for QT and you adapt yourself to get that best QT lap.
Then you race.
During racing your mindset changes. You need to defend. You need to avoid offs. You need to not be a jerk and crash into others. It is a different skillset than qualifying. After running a few races you have effectively dulled your QT zone/rhythm.
So, you need to get your QT mojo back. It means being aware that you lost something and get on the path to fix it. For me I need to run 10 or 15 minutes to get that rhythm back. YMMV.
It is not to say racing is bad for QT. The act of getting 3 races also represents 30 laps of experience and good track knowledge can be fed back into QT.
And the corollary? After intensive QT sessions one tends to race like a jerk... until you can dial-out those QT aggressions. So, for me, it cuts both ways.
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- Behind you
Yeah for QT you'll try and cut corners tight or risk that sausage that might throw you off the track. Loads of things you can't do it a race. Just wish everyone else drove race smart. Last race in 4th and 5th had to fight at the start dropping us back from 3rd. I let him by, we speed up he gets a pen so I pas....he fights we drop back. Till at least the pit stop you just want to be going as fast and clean as possible.
- 2,794
- New Plymouth
Just had a quick go at Monza to recover a bit more of the SR I lost with my 1 disaster race earlier in the week. Went well, but someone got grumpy and took out all the brake markers on lap 2. I can handle every corner without them. . . . Except Lesmo 1. I was getting slaughtered there.
Was still in for a CRB and a win, but bottled the second chicane and accidentally cut the start of Ascari for that brutal 1 sec penalty (for maybe a 0.1 gain) and eased over to let p2 by as they got a rocket launch out of there. After serving it on lap 10 p3 came by as I pulled over and he and the leader had a side by side battle from Ascari to the finish, no penalties, no punts. So good to see.
Good races to be had but I'm not pushing my luck anymore. And Ascari has been killing me the last few days.
Was still in for a CRB and a win, but bottled the second chicane and accidentally cut the start of Ascari for that brutal 1 sec penalty (for maybe a 0.1 gain) and eased over to let p2 by as they got a rocket launch out of there. After serving it on lap 10 p3 came by as I pulled over and he and the leader had a side by side battle from Ascari to the finish, no penalties, no punts. So good to see.
Good races to be had but I'm not pushing my luck anymore. And Ascari has been killing me the last few days.
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- ii_Biggles_ii
The one think I did do different was to switch off the lap sector times and just watch the track, I think it can be a distraction.
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- Dublin
- ii_Biggles_ii
I was heading for the first corner on the right of the track and totally missed the braking point markers as I usually watch the left, luckily I missed it by so much that I missed everyone, next lap I checked and there on the fence on both sides so it was my error but it shows why maybe its better to pick something on the track that can't be hit and moved.
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- Behind you
Another thing that's crazy, bet higher lobbies don't get this, you overtake a guy and your obviously much faster, but because you can slip a guy down the straight you overtake even though it's not going to last. Me if some fast guy takes me, not giving places, I don't try and get back in front I try and use him to get a little extra speed....it usually doesn't work too long, but at least I don't lose the time fighting does. Big picture people.
- 51,521
- Australia
- SpacedustDaddy
Patience in Race B & C always pays. Started pole in B with the M4. P2 Jag overtales at T1 with a divebomb. From there, I used the racing line to keep swapping positions for the whole race. COme final lap, I got the tow into T1. Jag tries to handbrake turn or something to keep from overshooting T1. I gave it room by not running it wide. It goes onto the grass and spins out. Oh well.
Monza in the M6. I went from 14th to 4th. C7s just can't be patient. The GT-Rs became a mess as well. Corner exits, i try to stay away from them. Anyway, moved up as C7s kept going off track and taking innocent victims with them.
Monza in the M6. I went from 14th to 4th. C7s just can't be patient. The GT-Rs became a mess as well. Corner exits, i try to stay away from them. Anyway, moved up as C7s kept going off track and taking innocent victims with them.
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- 3,842
- Canada
- TPCDangerSashimi
I definitely need worse friends. Sometime they're in the top 10. I should unfriend them when they get in the top 10.
- 1,072
- Behind you
I can cope on most tracks when the cones go, I try and pick a marker even though I use the cones. The thing is I keep getting caught out that 1st lap and the odd corner like Lesmo 1, 2 the shadows are great but different time of day who knows. So I'm really thinking of turning them off, if I can't use them they can't muck me up when they go and I'm not quick enough to flick them off and on without losing time.
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- United States
- BEBOP-zero
Never been very good at dirt racing, so I haven’t been hanging around race A as much. Been doing race C. and, I don't know if I just miss doing longer races or what but it's been a pretty fun week. Had one of my best racing experiences ever late last night, very clean and fast racing. Even managed to pull out the win on the last corner of the final lap. here's the last 5 laps of the race, great fun battles until the end. When Sport clicks and the racing isn't super aggressive, it's much fun.
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