"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[MidnightRun85]

LOL I do the tap tap tap tap thing! Thought it was just me. Exiting turn 2 I tap all the way or I run wide or get on the gas too late. Tis true tis true.

I think that's where I'm going wrong - I tend to tap the steering stick and mash the throttle... #awkward

 

[NevilleNobody]

I tap both, the D-pad and the X button, 1997 baby, 1997.

 

[MidnightRun85]

I tap both, the D-pad and the X button, 1997 baby, 1997.

I use left stick for steering and right stick for go/stop... Used to play like GT2 (X for go, left/right buttons for steerage), but shifted over to the sticks from the DS3 onwards.

 

[KosmoKazi]

LOL I do the tap tap tap tap thing! Thought it was just me. Exiting turn 2 I tap all the way or I run wide or get on the gas too late. Tis true tis true.

Been using this technique for 30 years... the famous Indy 500 game for PC required that you knew how to 'dither' the steering and throttle using the arrow keys on the controller. "tap-tap-tap-tap.....tap-tap-tap-tap"

At Race A this week, it's interesting to me that the GT pulls so much harder after the 'red line' than people realize. I'm able to run away from people at the start, by ragging that engine out to 7500-8000 RPM. That said, it does no good, and starting from the pole or 2nd grid spot, you end up being a sitting duck and I've gone nowhere but down in most of my races, thanks to some garbage driving by the mob behind as it swarms me.

Also: for anyone having trouble keeping a line on a DS4... I used to use the technique of pointing the stick up, then rolling it to the left or right. Compared to just moving it from the dead center to left, right, it offers more control of the 'wheel' when you pin it to the top arc of the stick range.

In one of my Race A's at SSRX this week, there was at least one car that was ghosted-but-not-ghosted the whole race... really messed up the whole thing as you didn't know if you should avoid him, but were afraid if there was any overlap and the game decided to register it as contact, the whole pack was getting sent over the guardrail. Has this been common?

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I notice the technique @sturk0167 used to get top ten and I’ve noticed other people use it to is a tap tap blip blip blip throttle exiting turns, just barely getting the throttle almost to full bar for quick blips it prevents the tcs from aggressive cut in. Full throttle held down cuts too much, but blipping doesn’t. I notice I think @GOTMAXPOWER with the aggressive feathering too kind of a Senna type throttle technique. Staccato!

I don't use TCS in any car, for me I hit and release the gas mid corner to get a little bit of slip from the rear wheels which helps rotate the rear and tucks the front into the apex more. It's just a different way of balancing the car through the corner, some like Pigems do it by trail braking a lot deeper into the corner. Totally different ways of driving but seem pretty equal in laptime.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Been using this technique for 30 years... the famous Indy 500 game for PC required that you knew how to 'dither' the steering and throttle using the arrow keys on the controller. "tap-tap-tap-tap.....tap-tap-tap-tap"

Me too, Papyrus Indycar II!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KosmoKazi]

Me too, Papyrus Indycar II!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That followed. The original was just Indianapolis 500. But I enjoyed the IndyCar series one after that too. Laguna Seca in particular.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_500:_The_Simulation

 

[Oelph]

Started second to last, climbed back to 9th. Tried to be fair and give space. I think I’m being a bit too timid in some corners which opens the door and I’m losing places I shouldn’t.

 

[OJBrit]

Started second to last, climbed back to 9th. Tried to be fair and give space. I think I’m being a bit too timid in some corners which opens the door and I’m losing places I shouldn’t.

You're still on the learning curve. Well we all are.
What I'd do is spend some time in the qualifying time trial. Learn the track a little. 2 places you can instantly improve. The fast kink at Larini 1 (between the first chicane and the braking zone for the hard right) is flat out in most cars. Any that aren't it's only a small lift. You are driving a purpose made racing car which is known for its handling. It's fine to run out onto the kerb opposite if that's what you are worried about. There is no need to brake and downshift there at all. The double chicane towards the end of the lap is affectionately known as the Chicane of Death. The first chicane is easily flat on both apexes. The other should just be a lift.
But you have a lot right, if you keep at it you'll do well.

 

[foolsgold74]

Never thought to blip the throttle with pedals. Always assumed progressive pressure was optimal (and I try to abide by the mantra that once you get on the throttle you don't want to come off it until the next corner - not that I always manage it!).

Fascinating to hear the different ways to balance a car through and, most importantly, exiting a corner.

I will experiment

 

[Little_Guppy]

Never thought to blip the throttle with pedals. Always assumed progressive pressure was optimal (and I try to abide by the mantra that once you get on the throttle you don't want to come off it until the next corner - not that I always manage it!).

Fascinating to hear the different ways to balance a car through and, most importantly, exiting a corner.

I will experiment

"In general", that is true. And when learning math when they said "in general" you knew there would be some exceptions.

Progressive steady pressure holds.

There is another exception. It has been mentioned on this board by @D_Dragline or @NoStopN and I have seen Alien hot lappers do it. In turbo cars, mid corner, apply some pressure even while still braking to keep the turbo spinning aiding the exit.

 

[Redneckchef]

Never thought to blip the throttle with pedals. Always assumed progressive pressure was optimal (and I try to abide by the mantra that once you get on the throttle you don't want to come off it until the next corner - not that I always manage it!).

Fascinating to hear the different ways to balance a car through and, most importantly, exiting a corner.

I will experiment

I used to try that idea of once you accelerate you dont stop until the next braking point or so. Didnt work. And there are quite a few cars where a blip of the throttle at the right points works wonders to keep the car balanced and poised rather than sketchy. That stability can be worth loads of time through consistency. And also the point mentioned about turbo lag, stalling that can be important as well since it means you have the power ready and 'on tap' rather than that painful delay.

 

[Groundfish]

Like @GOTMAXPOWER said, there’s different styles of driver.
I pretty much just do what Ross B said...
Heavy trail brake.

 

[foolsgold74]

There is another exception. It has been mentioned on this board by @D_Dragline or @NoStopN and I have seen Alien hot lappers do it. In turbo cars, mid corner, apply some pressure even while still braking to keep the turbo spinning aiding the exit

And also the point mentioned about turbo lag, stalling that can be important as well since it means you have the power ready and 'on tap' rather than that painful delay

Does this suggest left foot braking in the turbo cars? (and if you learn left foot braking you might as well use it all time).
I have a heavy left foot from dumping the clutch on various road cars IRL

 

[baygencos]

Does this suggest left foot braking in the turbo cars? (and if you learn left foot braking you might as well use it all time).
I have a heavy left foot from dumping the clutch on various road cars IRL

It works on non turbo cars too. I give a bit of throttle at the end of braking (and some occasions blip at downshifting) with Clio at Spain and Ferrari 458 at Lago Maggiore. I was very good at those races.

I would not believe i could ever left foot brake after 35 years of clutching but i forced myself and it is now smooth as silk.

 

[Groundfish]

I am a right footed one footer.

 

[Stilva]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Racing with lower rated drivers than yourself is wild as you can see. Still recovered for a decent finish in that race. Got bumped intro the wall exiting turn 2 in my last race and got left in the dust and that's no fun. I'll take that as my cue to be done for the week. I also got my SR back to low S (80) which should make my races a bit cleaner going forward.

 

[baygencos]

It is very hard to get a win at Race A leaving the train without the bump draft coz everybody prefers to chase the no:1 player on the grid. You know who he is...

I managed to get some wins anyways. I'm gonna frame this and hang on the wall behind the racing tv screen.

We had another great race with @GOTMAXPOWER (besides few more) which he won and i got the second place. It is a must share race. Brilliant racing!

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

It is very hard to get a win at Race A leaving the train without the bump draft coz everybody prefers to chase the no:1 player on the grid...
I managed to get some wins anyways. I'm gonna frame this and hang on the wall behind the racing tv screen.

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We had another great race with @GOTMAXPOWER (besides few more) which he won and i got the second place. It is a must share race. Brilliant racing!

We had some good races tonight

I went too high at the first corner in that last race and got us split up, lucky for us the leaders split up their group to get the best line for the last corner then didn't use it!

It is a must share race

Since you insist

 

[Redneckchef]

Does this suggest left foot braking in the turbo cars? (and if you learn left foot braking you might as well use it all time).
I have a heavy left foot from dumping the clutch on various road cars IRL

It is really car dependent. The MR cars like a bit of throttle at most times to keep the weight balanced, so for the V6 Clio it can help a lot. Others it is for turbo lag or just keeping the revs right in the power band or so you dont have to downshift that last tiny bit in certain N class cars or old GrC ones. I've got a long way to go in managing a lot of it myself but if you start getting comfortable with it you really notice the change and the extra speed

 

[KosmoKazi]

Finally got one! It’s either a good lobby or it isn’t, if you know what I mean. But some people “get it” and it’s nice when you find a pocket of intelligence to race with in Race A. Helped some others and finally won one of my own.

 

[JoeDaSnow]

On Friday, I had won race B again with a higher rating. This time, I used the Corvette C7 Gr. 3 in this race.

 

[Groundfish]

Man, tried, but couldn’t get any good racing on B after five or six entries.
Everyone fighting ramming, I got angry, then realized how stupid it was and turned the game off.
I don’t know what happened. Racing has been solid before today.
Today top split looked like wreckfest.
They really need to adjust to much stricter on the penalties.

 

[baygencos]

We had some good races tonight

After you left i got 5 or 6 consecutive victories starting p3 in A+\A-S lobbies. Then a 4th place and two more victories again.
Crazy races, everyone fighting since the beginning, door slamming, ramming, wall squeezing... (i was super clean)
Stupid but great fun!
Managed to break the 45k dr barrier. May get 50k if not matched with idiots.

 

[BigSarj]

That followed. The original was just Indianapolis 500. But I enjoyed the IndyCar series one after that too. Laguna Seca in particular.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_500:_The_Simulation

Cars would absolutely shatter in this game. Best crashes ever.

 

[NoStopN]

And Big Banky Boi 2 at Alsace, as I've heard it referred to a couple times in some YouTubers streams.

Of the YT streamers that I've watched, I've only heard of Lago Maggiore having a turn named Big Banky Boi. No other player that I've watched has referred to it. Just sayin'.

Can only think of Church corner for Sardegna A, and I would say the kink on the pit straight would need different names depending on the direction!!

I've heard that typically from @sturk0167 when that configuration is in the daily race rotation.

We have a multitude of names now. We're going to have to start a GTP encyclopedia of PD track corner names.

For Seaside we have:
1) The Horseshoe/ Larini
2) The Esses
3) The Snorkel/ Seaside/ Essar Down
4) Chicane of Death

Even on Gardens there are 2 names for the 4 apex corner in the middle: The Four Brothers and my coin of Istanbul after turn 8 at Istanbul Park. I also call the tight hairpin The Snout as this track looks like a dragon an that corner would be its nose.

The only objection I would have to naming the horseshoe as the Larini curves is that I typically don't see a Larini sign until after the turn is made. (edit: After watching the video I posted, I now see that there are Larini signs plastered all over the inside wall). I understand that in the reverse direction, the name fits better. But, I also saw nobody throwing out ideas for those corners & someone else here had taken to referring to the entire complex as the horseshoe. As for naming the Snorkel as Essar Down, someone will have to explain what Essar Down means. And lastly, @RacingGrandpa is where I started hearing about the 4 Brothers at the Gardens. Much like a geographical area in America, you could call those the 4 Corners. Not as much personality, but everyone will know what you're referring to.

Interesting TCS theory. I feel there is a difference between the TCS on a wheel and a controller, I think it is way stronger on a controller. I absolutely LAY on the gas, like a light switch most times and TC2 is more than enough, i can't do that with a wheel and pedals.

My big issue at seaside is the esses, I scrub time. So even if I get a great entry (slightly pulling away from guy behind) and full gas allllll the way, I am scrubbing a LOT of time through the curves. For example I cannot hang with other beetles through there, they pull away but I am full throttle.

Here is a Gr. 2 win from earlier this year. As you can see, I am using TCS (2) & you can see some occasional tap dancing on the throttle. For me, the tapping is to let the front end catch grip. When that happens & I feel that I can go full throttle through the arc, I hammer it. I had been driving the same way on the controller before switching to the wheel. Also, watch the esses in the video. In the normal direction, getting the first left right is the key. If you get the speed & steering angle on that left, the other corners fall in line full speed.

I tap both, the D-pad and the X button, 1997 baby, 1997.

I cannot thank PD enough for getting analog control sticks for GT2.

"In general", that is true. And when learning math when they said "in general" you knew there would be some exceptions.

Progressive steady pressure holds.

There is another exception. It has been mentioned on this board by @D_Dragline or @NoStopN and I have seen Alien hot lappers do it. In turbo cars, mid corner, apply some pressure even while still braking to keep the turbo spinning aiding the exit.

As the video above shows, I do push both pedals at times simultaneously. I do it more for the fact that many cars who get loose in the rear under full braking can be given some calm by applying the throttle ever so slightly. It does help with spinning the turbos up if you are already 10% into the throttle. But, I also drive that way in other cars without turbos.

Does this suggest left foot braking in the turbo cars? (and if you learn left foot braking you might as well use it all time).
I have a heavy left foot from dumping the clutch on various road cars IRL

I love real life manual transmission vehicles, but in GTS, I left foot brake. And I do go full braking with that foot. Your brain will be able to adjust to the effect that your game pedal translates to the digital world. Trust me.

 

[D_Dragline]

Does this suggest left foot braking in the turbo cars? (and if you learn left foot braking you might as well use it all time).
I have a heavy left foot from dumping the clutch on various road cars IRL

I use left foot braking for all GTS driving. Not IRL though.

The mid corner throttle is only important for exit speed in cars with big turbo lag. The Group 2s for example are terrible if you let the turbo wind down.

As others have said, you can also use simultaneous inputs to get balanced front/rear in zones where the car gets light in the rear. The esses at Bathurst is a good example.

Edit: @NoStopN Say Essar Down out loud to yourself. You’ll get it.

 

[kjeldsen]

It never fails, when the Nürburgring is on the list i go in the the B rating, what else always happens.. mayhem, and with the current penalty system that allows "rubbing" even more mayhem!

The Ring of Chaos..



Question what car is the most fuel saving without having to sacrifice to much performance, i really like the Viper, but when i am done re-fuelling i lose so many places (and even ran out of gas in the last race)

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Question what car is the most fuel saving without having to sacrifice to much performance, i really like the Viper, but when i am done re-fuelling i lose so many places (and even ran out of gas in the last race)

The Scirocco is the meta. You fuel save enough that you don't pit at all.
Fuel map 2 or 3 and shortshift, coast into braking zones and a higher gear in some corners and you can go flat out at the last part of lap 2.

 

[Timm Sheehan]

Started second to last, climbed back to 9th. Tried to be fair and give space. I think I’m being a bit too timid in some corners which opens the door and I’m losing places I shouldn’t.

I think that being too "fair" and giving racers their proper space is one of my downfalls. Today's racers offer good races, the gamers do not.