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Had three races at Bathurst last night, first one in the Genesis and then two in the GT-R, just to show that the FFs aren't the only competitive cars here.

Race 1 I was Q3, behind a Megane and a Scirocco. The rest of the field was all FF aside from a 458 near the back of the field. The Scirocco in P2 ran wide at Skyline and I claimed his spot, tucked in on the tail of P1 until I made a mistake climbing the hill on lap 2, and unfortunately lost out on P1 by 2s in the end. A fairly uneventful race but a nice P2 finish.

Then I decided to jump into the GT-R because I love driving it and I've had good lap times in it in the past. Again I started Q3 behind the same two drivers as the last race, but this time it was my turn to run wide at Skyline, picking up a 0.5s penalty for my troubles - such an unfair penalty that one! That put me off line for The Esses and The Dipper and I managed to pick up another 1s penalty! Needless to say, lap 1 was not good, and I found myself P12 at the end of the lap! I had a couple of fairly civilized battles with a Scirocco from there but crossed the line P11, licking my wounds.

I knew there was more potential in the GT-R, so I had another go at it. This time I was Q6, with a completely different grid of drivers (presumably because my SR took a hit in the previous race). I made one spot on the first lap when the three in front of me tried to go into Griffins Bend together and one ended up in the wall. I held onto 5th for the majority of the race, briefly taking 4th after the Scirocco in front of me served a penalty, but made a mistake near the top of the hill and he claimed it back. Had a great battle with another Scirocco along Conrod and into The Chase on the final lap, and was very impressed with his manners! Brought it across the line in 5th, nabbing 1.4k DR points across the three races (if only I hadn't messed up that second race!).

Here's a replay of that final race:

 
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Stilva
2 extremely dirty races this afternoon. I now know to avoid racing this early. Holy cow.

Race 1, I start P8 and P9 is all over me trying to force a pass from the jump. They crash eventually but my problem of going off track strikes again, and I get a reset for some reason. I fight back from P17 to finish P11. I almost decided to not go again.

I start race 2 in P7 and survive until the turn on to the bridge where I get unceremoniously dumped and fall way behind again.



I’m fuming but soldier on to not lose more DR than I need to. At some point, someone tries to run me into a barrier. So, I dump them the next opportunity. Not very sporting of me, but necessary by my estimation. In the end I get back to P12 so there’s that, I guess. Lots of dirty driving being called out in the post-race lobby and I say “whoever spun me sucks” to the entire chat. They weren’t in the lobby though.

With all the dirty racing and my small but costly mistakes, I’m done this week. Plus, it’s Christmas and I’ll be busy all weekend. It’s a great combo, but I can’t make progress when I’m getting banged around every race. My mistakes are my own doing and I can fix those. I can’t fix others dirty driving.
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I had some great, clean racing at the back last night but have finished in the bottom five in every race. Lots of self-sabotage.

I may do some racing this afternoon but I'm worried about the holiday kids. Hopefully they're playing their new games.
 
Here's a perfect example of perception vs. reality, as it relates to on-track incidents:

This is what the blue car thinks happened (black car was being a jerk).


This is what actually happened (I was driving aggressively, and bumped the back of the black car).


In a way, the blue car put himself in bad position by screwing up two consecutive turns.
That made the black car take an unnatural line into the left-hander, and I thought I would pass them both.
The black car gathered his car better than I expected, and I ran into him. The whole thing was pretty much my fault. :embarrassed:
That's why I slowed down really early for him at the right-hander.
I wasn't expecting the blue car to take him out.

This is a good example of why it's generally a good idea to give another driver a second chance for contact incidents.
The black car got victimized by myself (accidentally), and the blue car (intentionally), and he didn't do anything wrong. :irked:
 
@sturk0167 And if you do make it past two struggling cars (where the black car runs into blue car without your help and both go off) all they see is your car speeding off (or listed on the position list) and assume it was you. That's how I usually get called dirty after a race or punted off next corner.

If only we had some kind of instrument that could detect collisions and look at what led up to the collision to put some kind of flag on the cars involved :dunce:

If there are multiple cars behind me, they get the benefit of the doubt when I get rammed off. If it's one on one, not so much. If it's a continual bumper while I'm behind a struggling car, basically acting as a shield, 3 strikes and you're out...

Race C was decent yesterday evening. I got a few 3:09 laps in with clear track. Still not getting close to the 3:06 laps pole can do, always finishing nearly half a minute behind. But it's a fun combo, fills the need for speed! I just wish people would read the rules or my greeting (PIT STOP REQUIRED, RS+RM) since waiting 2 to 3 minutes after the race for the stragglers, not fun.
 
OJBrit
Yup, you needed to use both softs and mediums.
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Ran another "C" just now. I made sure to use both compounds this time. No penalties. But I did run a bit wide at turn 22 (I think that's the number, lol) and wound up almost spinning....on the last lap.....and I finished in last (14th). It wasn't a full spin, but it was enough for me to get passed by 3 other drivers. I was in 11th at that point and getting close to the #10 car; maybe enough to make a pass at the final corner or on the main straight. There were 16 that started, but 2 quit during the race. Thankfully, though, 4 drivers ahead of me either didn't pit or did what I did yesterday and didn't use both compounds of tires. So they each wound up with a 1 minute penalty and I was put up to 10th. I was punted a couple times, but was able to save it and not run off the track too bad. I did get a couple tires off, but not the whole car. I did that all by myself, lol.
 
2 for 2 so far today, as in 2 races, 2 disconnects. PSN can not be reached. The two races I did were in SR.S on the mountain. 4wd cars today, GT-R no good, Veyron fast on the straight, no good otherwise. Meganes are indeed the meta now.

Forza Horizon while waiting for PSN to let me have another race...
 
RacingGrandpa
To be fair you are partly breaking it yourself by not qualifying.
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Sure, but tell me how it's fair to have A+/S on pole and D/S down at the bottom, with qualifying times that are miles apart.

Yes, I do get to start behind the slowest qualifiers, but the problem is in the matchmaking. Why am I matched with people with a fraction of my DR. It's not fair to them either.

In lower SR I get full DR.B SR.B rooms or full DR.A SR.A, yet in SR.S it's A/S to D/S.

I guess today was a popular afternoon to race. I did two C races, full B/S rooms, mostly clean. Still a rabbit on pole of course, 3:06 laps while the rest was doing 3:10 laps or more. But very enjoyable races without any problems at the start.

Anyway the promise of GT Sport's matchmaking was to put you with people with similar skill and driving style (maturity levels)
www.gtplanet.net

Gran Turismo Sport's "Advanced Matchmaking System" & "Sportsmanship Points" Detailed

GT Sport will introduce a new driver rating system to encourage cleaner online racing.
www.gtplanet.net www.gtplanet.net
Pretty much none of that is true in the current system. Plus the game lets you enter races without qualifying, therefore it should be capable of handling that in the system. Which it does to a point, it's matchmaking, SR calculation + DR resets that screw things up.
 
sturk0167
Here's a perfect example of perception vs. reality, as it relates to on-track incidents:

This is what the blue car thinks happened (black car was being a jerk).


This is what actually happened (I was driving aggressively, and bumped the back of the black car).


In a way, the blue car put himself in bad position by screwing up two consecutive turns.
That made the black car take an unnatural line into the left-hander, and I thought I would pass them both.
The black car gathered his car better than I expected, and I ran into him. The whole thing was pretty much my fault. :embarrassed:
That's why I slowed down really early for him at the right-hander.
I wasn't expecting the blue car to take him out.

This is a good example of why it's generally a good idea to give another driver a second chance for contact incidents.
The black car got victimized by myself (accidentally), and the blue car (intentionally), and he didn't do anything wrong. :irked:
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Great comment, fantastic example. There's often a lot of factors, which end up looking like a dirty punt to the victim. Sometimes even 'mistakes' by the one punted (breaking a bit too early etc.) . To be honest, I wrote to a guy who followed me for nearly the whole last lap at Bathurst and punted me at the left hander after the long straight. I was furious and questioned his capabilities of living in a society and what a low life he must be. He answered that he's so sorry, but couldn't do anything, he underestimated my drag.
finishing 13Th instead of 5th or 6th made me blind and killed my analytical thinking.
@ the others who wrote about Bathurst's Metas. Haven't you tried the Veyron? it holds the first place in qualifying on th EMEA servers. (2-8 Sciroccos and I think a rcz or 2 to complete the Top10)
i used the 'big angry Pig' (someone posted a cartoon here with a muscle-pig,) on my first race this week and was happy that I'm one of the few, who dare to use underdogs. After the No.1 was taken by a Veyron, they became more and more with each other race.
 
Charmantha
Great comment, fantastic example. There's often a lot of factors, which end up looking like a dirty punt to the victim. Sometimes even 'mistakes' by the one punted (breaking a bit too early etc.) . To be honest, I wrote to a guy who followed me for nearly the whole last lap at Bathurst and punted me at the left hander after the long straight. I was furious and questioned his capabilities of living in a society and what a low life he must be. He answered that he's so sorry, but couldn't do anything, he underestimated my drag.
finishing 13Th instead of 5th or 6th made me blind and killed my analytical thinking.
@ the others who wrote about Bathurst's Metas. Haven't you tried the Veyron? it holds the first place in qualifying on th EMEA servers. (2-8 Sciroccos and I think a rcz or 2 to complete the Top10)
i used the 'big angry Pig' (someone posted a cartoon here with a muscle-pig,) on my first race this week and was happy that I'm one of the few, who dare to use underdogs. After the No.1 was taken by a Veyron, they became more and more with each other race.
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Not really an underdog if they hold the top spot! But definitely a rare choice. I think I've seen one in 4 of the 5 races I've done this week, but Sciroccos and Meganes flood the rest of the field. I've been enjoying good results in the Genesis, and the GTR ain't bad!
 
Sven Jurgens
Sure, but tell me how it's fair to have A+/S on pole and D/S down at the bottom, with qualifying times that are miles apart.

Yes, I do get to start behind the slowest qualifiers, but the problem is in the matchmaking. Why am I matched with people with a fraction of my DR. It's not fair to them either.

In lower SR I get full DR.B SR.B rooms or full DR.A SR.A, yet in SR.S it's A/S to D/S.

I guess today was a popular afternoon to race. I did two C races, full B/S rooms, mostly clean. Still a rabbit on pole of course, 3:06 laps while the rest was doing 3:10 laps or more. But very enjoyable races without any problems at the start.

Anyway the promise of GT Sport's matchmaking was to put you with people with similar skill and driving style (maturity levels)
www.gtplanet.net

Gran Turismo Sport's "Advanced Matchmaking System" & "Sportsmanship Points" Detailed

GT Sport will introduce a new driver rating system to encourage cleaner online racing.
www.gtplanet.net www.gtplanet.net
Pretty much none of that is true in the current system. Plus the game lets you enter races without qualifying, therefore it should be capable of handling that in the system. Which it does to a point, it's matchmaking, SR calculation + DR resets that screw things up.
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The big problem with matchmaking in NA is lack of participation. If you look at the matchmaking in EMEA it's very very rare to have a mixed lobby unless you drop down in SR. And dropping in SR is almost impossible as it is now, unless you race from the back.
Matchmaking isn't broken, it's just a too small pool
 
RacingGrandpa
The big problem with matchmaking in NA is lack of participation. If you look at the matchmaking in EMEA it's very very rare to have a mixed lobby unless you drop down in SR. And dropping in SR is almost impossible as it is now, unless you race from the back.
Matchmaking isn't broken, it's just a too small pool
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Agree with this. On my alt I'm on the Asia-Pacific server, but playing from the UK I'm on at really odd times, so I get matched in lobbies with A+/S through to D/B....

But on my main account on EMEA I almost always B/S lobbies.
 
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RacingGrandpa
The big problem with matchmaking in NA is lack of participation. If you look at the matchmaking in EMEA it's very very rare to have a mixed lobby unless you drop down in SR. And dropping in SR is almost impossible as it is now, unless you race from the back.
Matchmaking isn't broken, it's just a too small pool
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No, the problem is how it works.

You get the bad rooms because matchmaking uses the highest DR players of a lower SR bracket to fill up the left over spots in the last room (with the lowest DR players) of a higher SR bracket.

Hence you get DR A+ (SR 80-89) together with DR D (SR 90-99). And which is why matchmaking only works for SR 90-99 in the top split (first / highest DR room)

Since those faster players are already used for the slowest higher SR room, the new lower SR bracket room already starts off the wrong foot, and the same thing happens with the last room in that bracket.

Lack of participation doesn't really affect this bug, it's actually worse the more people are in SR.S since you end up with only DR.D (SR 90-99) in the last room, and guaranteed DR A+ SR (80-89) to fill up the rest of the spots in that D/S room.

What it should do is fill up the SR (90-99) last room with DR players of the lower SR bracket (SR 80-89) that fall in the range of the DR in that SR (90-99) room. So if that last room is all DR D (SR 90-99) it should add DR D (SR 80-89) players to that room.

What we have now is drop a bit in SR, get easier rooms, since you'll be used to fill rooms of higher SR, yet slower drivers. And if your DR is below high DR.A, you're likely to always get in 'impossible' to beat rooms since there will be a much faster (slightly lower SR) player on pole.

(Of course with DR resets and new accounts in the mix the spread gets worse since DR is less and less of an indicator of speed the lower DR is. DR resets are the next biggest problem for matchmaking to work)

The biggest bulk of players is in DR.B and SR.B (biggest range 40-64 and where the SR gain boost ends at SR 50), so the change of getting a full B/B room is the most consistent. At SR 50-59 you also get rooms full off new E/B accounts (which are usually fast players)

Yet true, middle of the night you can end up with A+/S to D/E when participation is low.
And also true if you stay in the SR 90-99 bracket and have high enough DR and general participation not to be part of the 'last' SR 90-99 room, matchmaking will work.
For all other cases it doesn't, so it's about max 5% effective...

Matchmaking is fundamentally broken. In NA you usually only have two SR 90-99 rooms, one for aliens the other one broken, rest 'contaminated'.
 
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I am in B/S rooms 99% of the time, at the same time as 6-8 of.my B/S friends are playing and we never see each other, because there's so many B/S rooms going all the time
But I see where you are coming from and I agree it would be a better way. We wouldn't have to deal with people intentionally resetting them self to get cheap "wins".
 
RacingGrandpa
I am in B/S rooms 99% of the time, at the same time as 6-8 of.my B/S friends are playing and we never see each other, because there's so many B/S rooms going all the time
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Well, that is quite a difference. 90+% of my racing is in the top split A race.
I can predict with a very high degree of certainty who will be there when I show up.

Of course, A races have dedicated group of followers in this region.
For me, I like that the races aren't very long. I tend to lose focus in C races before they're over (short attention span, I guess).
Maybe some of the other A race regulars have similar issues.
Also, since I like racing without a Q time, there are only 11 other people to contend with.
It's always a grid start, so I can start waaayyy closer to the front than at the back of a C race with rolling starts. 👍
 
RacingGrandpa
I am in B/S rooms 99% of the time, at the same time as 6-8 of.my B/S friends are playing and we never see each other, because there's so many B/S rooms going all the time
But I see where you are coming from and I agree it would be a better way. We wouldn't have to deal with people intentionally resetting them self to get cheap "wins".
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My 'regular' play times are at lower volume times so not that much chance of a full B/S room. Today the same. I'm 99 SR, DR.B, and a non qualifying A+/S driver starts in front of me. He screws up first corner then keeps bumping me until he can get past on the straight while proceeding to leave most of the cars wrecked as he comes through. I'm following him at a distance picking up places from all the cars left spun around... Yet he somehow finishes with blue SR (in second)

I see how non qualifiers get a bad reputation. He was probably in the 80-89 range and there was a spot left over in the 99 SR room. So another race 'ruined' by matchmaking. It was good race for me, clean race bonus, lot of free positions from wrecked cars :/ But also a couple clean passes and nice duel to the finish where an NSX out accelerated me to the line after going through the last 3 corners sie by side.

Racing would be a lot cleaner in general if matchmaking was improved. And NA needs more players! The split was already 61% Europe, 23% Americas back in 2019 and it probably only got less popular in NA as clean drivers started leaving for leagues and/or other games. So 3x as many rooms in Europe per race or more.
 
Today is just boring. Now I keep getting in the top split rooms, start last, finish last (still going up places from quitters). Finish 49 seconds behind the leader last race. I can't keep up with 3:06 laps, 3:10 is my pace. And I still get taken out every race, not intentional, but race ruined anyway. The race before had both a broken start (one bar connection stalling the back 5) and I got taken out by the worst track re-entry possible.

One more attempt, then enough of GT Sport. No satisfaction.

3:03 on pole, gonna be another boring one.

Wasn't boring, was infuriating. It was the lower split room, hence the 3:03 on pole. I got taken out twice, at the end of the bridge, in T1 and a brake check on the bridge... I still finished 5th, 40 seconds behind the leader, yet the kicker, I'm the only one with a red S due to the car in front of me brake checking...

**** this game, falalala lalalala.
 
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@sturk0167 That's about as many people that stick around in a full C race in lower SR earlier this week :lol: 20 start, 15 DNF

We're trying Kena Bridge of Spirits atm, takes 10 minutes to download the 815 MB update after 3 attempts to connect to the internet. Holiday internet for the win. PSN is very unstable, besides the boring and the infuriating races, 4 disconnects while waiting for matchmaking to start. No idea why PSN is acting up so much lately. Races are fine, yet during the countdown, PSN could not be reached, error NE-lotofnumbers, matching cancelled. Back out to try to re-enter and the daily workout gift stalls long enough to miss the deadline :banghead:.

Hurray for blu-ray, a beautiful day in the neighborhood was the perfect antidote to GT Sport. (Only getting about 360p on you tube and netflix today lol) Update done, Kena time.
 
Ohhhhh the relief.. Took my first ever Mount Panorama win! Driving the Vantage and a bit worse for wear after prosecco and some nice peaty whisky. 3 of the best laps I've ever done, holding off a horde of Sciroccos.

Starting from pole did help of course (1.12.8 in the Megane) but I refuse to race any FF cars. Tried the 458, Viper and Corvette but I just find the Vantage slightly better in the corners.

One more race then off to bed..
 
Ran a "C" race just now (I'm liking this combination at this track, actually). 1st lap, 1st corner, I get put into the wall.....typical. I don't spin completely, but I do face 90°. I shift down to 1st, hit the throttle, and get back on it. I started 16th (out of 17) so I'm definitely in last place at this point since it was P17 who hit me. I catch back to the pack, make a couple passes (thanks to others hitting the walls or spinning out). I drive a decently clean race. A couple times I run a bit wide and clip the wall. Nothing major as it didn't slow me down too much, but it did keep me from having a clean race (or it may have been getting put into the wall at turn 1, lap 1). I pit at the end of lap 4 and switch to the softs. I make a couple more passes and move up into 13th. I'm there until the final lap, coming up to next-to-last corner (sharp left-hander after the back straight). The car just ahead of me brakes a bit too late and has to stay on the brakes longer than he wanted. I make the pass on the inside, cleanly, and move up to 12th and finish there.
 
Barney Da Dog
Ohhhhh the relief.. Took my first ever Mount Panorama win! Driving the Vantage and a bit worse for wear after prosecco and some nice peaty whisky. 3 of the best laps I've ever done, holding off a horde of Sciroccos.

Starting from pole did help of course (1.12.8 in the Megane) but I refuse to race any FF cars. Tried the 458, Viper and Corvette but I just find the Vantage slightly better in the corners.

One more race then off to bed..
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Nice work! Now jump in the Genesis and see how quick you can go!
 
I’ve now been punted off at the start in turn 1 from pole five or six races in a row now by the same driver in Race B.

Absurd.
 
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