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A lucky break on my way to what I think is my first win at Interlagos.


I'd been slightly punted out of the lead on lap 3, so I was happy to sneak a win on the last lap.

That red MX-5 driver in the second clip went for a pretty desperate late dive and got slightly schooled in the process, then flashed you for sling-shotting past him - classic.
Had a good night, mostly really good racing it has to be said, the very top split is clean but I can barely keep up lol.

The WRX is seriously underrated. Yes you get MURDERED from the last to the 1st turn, and I mean murdered, but I have never, ever driven a car with such confidence as the wrx at interlagos tonight. I could put it ANYWHERE I wanted. It means you need to be opportunistic and when in from take defensive lines but also trust the brakes, you can go defensive and still out brake the other guy.

A couple of examples below, two jolly good races including one in a tough room. I did mess up into T1 one time but the silver rcz I hit was super aggressive so didn't feel too bad.




The WRX is a brilliant car for anything with tight twisty stuff - Interlagos is obviously that kinda course! WRX, Evo, Genesis - they're all really good here.
 
@Sven Jurgens I really hope you don't take this wrong but I had a quick look at your stats on KP and I was rather surprised by the look of those graphs.

How do you explain these extreme yo-yo lines ? You talk a lot here about driving standards so I'd have expected to see something different, that's all. Is it the game's fault ? Other driver's ? I'm curious ! :P

Edit: I won't display the graphs here but feel free to do it.
You can tank your SR without driving dirty. Having driven a few races with @Sven Jurgens I would say his graph reflects the yo-yo portion of the discussion without him ruining other people’s races.
 
@Sven Jurgens I really hope you don't take this wrong but I had a quick look at your stats on KP and I was rather surprised by the look of those graphs.

How do you explain these extreme yo-yo lines ? You talk a lot here about driving standards so I'd have expected to see something different, that's all. Is it the game's fault ? Other driver's ? I'm curious ! :P

Edit: I won't display the graphs here but feel free to do it.
Sven doesn't qualify and therefore always races from the back against all kinds of players. I also don't qualify and race from the back. Check my stats, I look like a dirty mother******. I always try to be as clean and respectful as possible but A LOT (I would even say THE MAJORITY) of GTS players unfortunately don't seem to return the favour when I overtake them. Add a broken penalty and SR system into the mix and your stats will end up looking exactly like that, saying absolutely nothing about your driving or sportsmanship.
 
Sven has described it earlier in the thread. I think he drives backwards, hits walls and enters the pit the wrong way. None of this while there are other cars around though.
Got it. What's the idea behind tanking your SR/DR? Reset to farm easy/easier wins?
 
Got it. What's the idea behind tanking your SR/DR? Reset to farm easy/easier wins?
That’s definitely the goal for some. The graph I posted earlier is of a driver who runs a race where he hits everyone in sight and loses around 30SR. He then goes on a win streak in drop splits until his SR is above 90 and he can’t win, so he does it all over again.

I think @Sven Jurgens motivation is different but he can speak to that.
 
Got it. What's the idea behind tanking your SR/DR? Reset to farm easy/easier wins?
Not in Sven's case, if so he would qualify. He thinks, and I am inclined to agree that the races are cleaner and more fun.

That’s definitely the goal for some. The graph I posted earlier is of a driver who runs a race where he hits everyone in sight and loses around 30SR. He then goes on a win streak in drop splits until his SR is above 90 and he can’t win, so he does it all over again.

I think @Sven Jurgens motivation is different but he can speak to that.
There is a certain driver in the EU that I meet from time to time who has 3900 wins on 9k races and acts as if it's something to brag about, even send me a message with a win from the race after the one where he tried to kill me.
I have raced him many times and gotten him in IOTW at least twice.
The graph is, well....
Screenshot_20220127-124306_Chrome.jpg


I am sure a lot of you know who it is but we can't name and shame here.
 
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So i'm 5 weeks into GTS and only became aware of DR yesterday(!) and it's kinda tainted my enjoyment now that I know about it.

Like others in this thread I'm constantly losing DR because of being punted/ the penalty system isn't fit for purpose etc.

But can you tell me - isn't there an advantage to faking your qualifying time? setting a really low time once, then being matched with other people in that time and just getting ahead? i'm sure others have thought about this and there must be a good reason not to do it.
 
So i'm 5 weeks into GTS and only became aware of DR yesterday(!) and it's kinda tainted my enjoyment now that I know about it.

Like others in this thread I'm constantly losing DR because of being punted/ the penalty system isn't fit for purpose etc.

But can you tell me - isn't there an advantage to faking your qualifying time? setting a really low time once, then being matched with other people in that time and just getting ahead? i'm sure others have thought about this and there must be a good reason not to do it.
You are matched by your SR first, then your DR. The qualifying time is only used to sort inside the lobby.
 
So i'm 5 weeks into GTS and only became aware of DR yesterday(!) and it's kinda tainted my enjoyment now that I know about it.

Like others in this thread I'm constantly losing DR because of being punted/ the penalty system isn't fit for purpose etc.

But can you tell me - isn't there an advantage to faking your qualifying time? setting a really low time once, then being matched with other people in that time and just getting ahead? i'm sure others have thought about this and there must be a good reason not to do it.
That'll only work for a couple of races. By finishing first or in the front you gain DR and the next race you'll be matched with faster players and therefore your qual. time will put you further down the starting grid each time and therefore finishing 1st or in the front will become gradually harder. Dropping your SR is a lot easier.
 
So i'm 5 weeks into GTS and only became aware of DR yesterday(!) and it's kinda tainted my enjoyment now that I know about it.

Like others in this thread I'm constantly losing DR because of being punted/ the penalty system isn't fit for purpose etc.

But can you tell me - isn't there an advantage to faking your qualifying time? setting a really low time once, then being matched with other people in that time and just getting ahead? i'm sure others have thought about this and there must be a good reason not to do it.
As @RacingGrandpa says, your SR and DR are used for matching so you're up against people of "equal talent". Setting a slow Q time just puts you at the back of the field of "evenly matched" competitors.
 
Alright, thanks guys for your answers ! That clears things up, even though I have totally different motivations when I race, I can see the thrill of racing from the back, with all the inherent ups and downs.
 
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So i'm 5 weeks into GTS and only became aware of DR yesterday(!) and it's kinda tainted my enjoyment now that I know about it.

Like others in this thread I'm constantly losing DR because of being punted/ the penalty system isn't fit for purpose etc.

But can you tell me - isn't there an advantage to faking your qualifying time? setting a really low time once, then being matched with other people in that time and just getting ahead? i'm sure others have thought about this and there must be a good reason not to do it.
I start from the back for two main reason.
1. Avoid chaos of turn 1 on sensitive track like Monza (whole lap 1 in fact)
2. To have some challenge and battle during the race.

Most of the time, I'm match with fast-fast guy in front and can get away from people behind leading to lonely race without a chance of podium.
 
@Sven Jurgens I really hope you don't take this wrong but I had a quick look at your stats on KP and I was rather surprised by the look of those graphs.

How do you explain these extreme yo-yo lines ? You talk a lot here about driving standards so I'd have expected to see something different, that's all. Is it the game's fault ? Other driver's ? I'm curious ! :P

Edit: I won't display the graphs here but feel free to do it.
I would love to explain, since I can touch on many of GTS' problems :)

First my stats
8z783ES.png


Pretty messy at first glance, but you got to take the way I race into account.

Those are snapshots of 14,113 race over 1044 days played, an average of 13.5 races per day. When I race, I race a lot. Sometimes marathon sessions of over 30 races in a day. The longer the pause between races, the more races I can do in a day as I can do everything else I need to do that day in between the races. Hence don't take it wrong when I don't respond to greetings in the pre-race chat as I often don't show up until auto-drive has started. And also often leave quickly to get back to what I was doing.

You've probably also heard me talk about dirty hour a lot on here. I exclusively race on one account in the Americas. A clear pattern is that races get dirty from 5pm EST, reach terrible levels between 7 and 8pm, then start getting better again from 10pm.
PD takes those snapshots at UTC 0, which is 7pm EST in winter, 8pm EST in summer. Right after the dirtiest races of the day.

All those data points are for the worst case of the day on the Americas server. For example, I did a marathon session on Monday on Sarthe, was SR.S all day until 5:30pm when I got taken up in the start shuffle over and over and ended as C/D in the 6:30 pm race. reset to 7K, SR 13, PD takes a picture, those are my 'scores' for the day.

That's where my motivation to reset DR comes from. The trouble I had on Monday is, I don't qualify, neither do a lot of people at first. I was starting as high as 8th due to my high DR, with a horde of people behind me not planning to brake for Dunlop. (or far too late). Problem is, the people I start behind are the slowest in the room. I take great care not to run into them, yet with a horde starting behind me I simply get pushed into them. High DR often gets blamed for any contact, and down my SR goes.

This was what reset me on Monday, no further contact during the rest of the race


On the Nordschleife and N24 it's even worse with only 2 or 3 qualifiers sometimes on Monday. So to start last I manually reset DR/SR by driving back and forth out of the way. Drive the wrong way until the DQ timer is down to 15 sec, turn around until the DQ timer disappears, repeat. That triggers a (now invisible) SR Down. Do that for 2 races (or one C race) and you're D/E. Hitting the pit wall while turning adds more SR loss, and I drive the wrong way into the pits to avoid the field when they come around, car pinging around in the pits taking more SR hits. Quit right before the end of the race for an additional -5 SR. And voila, now I get start last.

That also gave me the opportunity to map out the SR boost like this
3I1mIaD.png

Those are all races with CRB on the Nordschleife from the back at different starting SR. To compare how much SR you get for a CRB at different starting SR. in SR.E you get 3.2x as much SR for a clean race than from SR 50 onwards. Hence it's so difficult to stay in SR.E, a daily C worth 20 SR is worth 64 SR in SR.E. The record is 124 SR in one race on Tsukaba. How much SR you can gain depends on the number of laps (actually total number of sectors), which can be many on Tsukaba's little track. We used to have actually long daily C races, 24 laps on Tsukaba.

SR is track dependent, I still have this compilation thanks to @jasguer
MMZf11l.jpg

What that shows is avg SR gained or lot per player per race entered. Monza comes out the worst where an N800 race would on avg take 6 SR for every player entered. With the huge boost in SR.E, overall -6 SR per players means more like avg -20 SR for entering it at SR.S...

I don't avoid races for being SR loss leaders. I actually like to test myself there and beat the odds. Monza was actually the first track to drive me to DR.S (before it was renamed A+) although that data point was never stored. (Reached it Saturday night, was gone by Sunday 8PM in dirty hour lol)

Then there's bump drafting. It's not popular anymore, PD has bred it out with the penalty system. Where you see a consistent dip in my SR that's likely Blue Moon Bay, Tokyo East or Sarthe when bump drafting was still popular. Every bump was SR Down, -3 SR. Ridiculous but that's how it was, but people rather raced than worry about SR. What's oval racing without bump drafting? PD didn't like it and introduced disqualifications for too many hits. Result, people were bump drafting people into disqualification on Blue Moon Bay. The car ahead always got the SR Down, bump the leader until he gets thrown out of the race :banghead:

The DQ was abandoned again but it still got worse. A bump from behind would net the car ahead a time penalty next to SR Down. It was abused by many, tap the car ahead, tap the wall, car ahad gets 3 sec penalty and 10 SR loss. It even became a tactic to steal the win on Tokyo. Draft tap the leader before the finish (not enough speed to overtake) then tap the wall before the finish line. Leader gets 3 sec penalty after the line and gets pushed to second.

Nowadays you find very few bump drafters anymore and most people see it as an attack if you bump them on a straight :banghead:

Oh yeah, I stopped qualifying quite early when the penalties got ridiculous the first time. 10 sec for any touch, usually not your fault, just your fault for having higher DR than the player that touched you. T1 was always 10 sec penalty for you when the car behind didn't brake in time. Hence I chose to start from the back and stuck to it.

I admit I sometimes retaliate as well. I can be very patient, but I have my limits with certain people. Then I gladly take the SR hit to take them out, force them to last or even to quit. Rest of the field can race on without problems. It's usually a non qualifier starting with me from the back that can't behave and thinks it's seal clubbing time. I hate to see that and will gladly take them out if I can, of course taking care not to create more incidents with innocent bystanders.

Anyway most of the drops are from the ridiculous way PD dishes out SR downs. -10 SR for whatever registers, no nuance. You can punt someone to the moon, bump draft or fail to avoid a crashing car / bad track re-entry, it's all the same to PD. And while racing from the back you meet half the pack or more during the race. On average I gain 7 positions per race on Sarthe according to my stats, this week it's more like 14 per race :lol: People can not handle that car.

Some examples of the horror the penalty system was


Enough rambling, time to go race!
 
That red MX-5 driver in the second clip went for a pretty desperate late dive and got slightly schooled in the process, then flashed you for sling-shotting past him - classic.
Upon further inspection, the red Miata that bombed Barney & the other car was flashing lights before then. Likely somebody on a controller who pushes down on their stick when steering. I used to do it on occasion.
Next week's races:

A. Lago Maggiore West II SM - N400
B. DT Seaside II RM - Gr.4
C. Suzuka RM - Gr.2
B) 3 wins for me the last time it was used.
C) Only 1 win in the time it's come up. But....it's Gr. 2. Too bad one of these wasn't in the mix this week. I've got the spare time.
 
@Sven Jurgens ,your SR graph is kinda binary. It's either 99 or DR. reset.

You spam downshift faster than me by the way!
It's my aging twitchy fingers :lol: Sometimes it doesn't stop and I up sliding in 1st gear :ouch:

Good to see you again this morning. I did 3 draft bumps in that race we were just in, -3 SR for the race. I'm guessing it's still 3 or 4 SR loss per draft bump. Same old, just not showing SR Down.

Btw more good spots to overtake, works most of the time

Still had to lift at Tetre Rouge, but made it through twice without lifting that race :)
 
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Since there is a lot of time before the race starts, your best bet is to go to Time Trial mode, and try all of your Gr.4 cars, to see which one works best for you.
Someone else's top pick may not be one that you're compatible with.
I’ve only got the WRX so I’ll have to buy any car that I want to use 😆
 
Next week's races:

A. Lago Maggiore West II SM - N400
B. DT Seaside II RM - Gr.4
C. Suzuka RM - Gr.2
Urrrrrghhhhhh reverse seaside, just NO, what a dreadful layout, it DOES NOT work. I may need to finally learn Suzuka, no idea why but I am unbelievably slow there, like seconds and seconds off the pace. But group 2 agrees with me so....maybe i'll try.
 
Have you ever heard of anything being done with the reporting system? There have been drivers that have been reported by everyone in the room, over and over, and nothing.

The report button is just there to make you feel better. Press it, instead of saying nasty things in the chat. It's a fidget button :lol:

Anything is better than the current one, although I wouldn't put it past PD to still make it worse. Actually 1.55 was worse :( Maybe that was the plan after all, make it really bad, then turn it off and people are happy :cheers: (they were for a while, now 1.55 has been forgotten, not so much anymore)
I have, got a warning myself for the F-word, also my previous teammate did. As said, I stand by my words, reporting system needs more effort put into it, is all, to investigate more driving related incidents.
 
I would love to explain, since I can touch on many of GTS' problems :)

First my stats
8z783ES.png


Pretty messy at first glance, but you got to take the way I race into account.

Those are snapshots of 14,113 race over 1044 days played, an average of 13.5 races per day. When I race, I race a lot. Sometimes marathon sessions of over 30 races in a day. The longer the pause between races, the more races I can do in a day as I can do everything else I need to do that day in between the races. Hence don't take it wrong when I don't respond to greetings in the pre-race chat as I often don't show up until auto-drive has started. And also often leave quickly to get back to what I was doing.

You've probably also heard me talk about dirty hour a lot on here. I exclusively race on one account in the Americas. A clear pattern is that races get dirty from 5pm EST, reach terrible levels between 7 and 8pm, then start getting better again from 10pm.
PD takes those snapshots at UTC 0, which is 7pm EST in winter, 8pm EST in summer. Right after the dirtiest races of the day.

All those data points are for the worst case of the day on the Americas server. For example, I did a marathon session on Monday on Sarthe, was SR.S all day until 5:30pm when I got taken up in the start shuffle over and over and ended as C/D in the 6:30 pm race. reset to 7K, SR 13, PD takes a picture, those are my 'scores' for the day.

That's where my motivation to reset DR comes from. The trouble I had on Monday is, I don't qualify, neither do a lot of people at first. I was starting as high as 8th due to my high DR, with a horde of people behind me not planning to brake for Dunlop. (or far too late). Problem is, the people I start behind are the slowest in the room. I take great care not to run into them, yet with a horde starting behind me I simply get pushed into them. High DR often gets blamed for any contact, and down my SR goes.

This was what reset me on Monday, no further contact during the rest of the race


On the Nordschleife and N24 it's even worse with only 2 or 3 qualifiers sometimes on Monday. So to start last I manually reset DR/SR by driving back and forth out of the way. Drive the wrong way until the DQ timer is down to 15 sec, turn around until the DQ timer disappears, repeat. That triggers a (now invisible) SR Down. Do that for 2 races (or one C race) and you're D/E. Hitting the pit wall while turning adds more SR loss, and I drive the wrong way into the pits to avoid the field when they come around, car pinging around in the pits taking more SR hits. Quit right before the end of the race for an additional -5 SR. And voila, now I get start last.

That also gave me the opportunity to map out the SR boost like this
3I1mIaD.png

Those are all races with CRB on the Nordschleife from the back at different starting SR. To compare how much SR you get for a CRB at different starting SR. in SR.E you get 3.2x as much SR for a clean race than from SR 50 onwards. Hence it's so difficult to stay in SR.E, a daily C worth 20 SR is worth 64 SR in SR.E. The record is 124 SR in one race on Tsukaba. How much SR you can gain depends on the number of laps (actually total number of sectors), which can be many on Tsukaba's little track. We used to have actually long daily C races, 24 laps on Tsukaba.

SR is track dependent, I still have this compilation thanks to @jasguer
MMZf11l.jpg

What that shows is avg SR gained or lot per player per race entered. Monza comes out the worst where an N800 race would on avg take 6 SR for every player entered. With the huge boost in SR.E, overall -6 SR per players means more like avg -20 SR for entering it at SR.S...

I don't avoid races for being SR loss leaders. I actually like to test myself there and beat the odds. Monza was actually the first track to drive me to DR.S (before it was renamed A+) although that data point was never stored. (Reached it Saturday night, was gone by Sunday 8PM in dirty hour lol)

Then there's bump drafting. It's not popular anymore, PD has bred it out with the penalty system. Where you see a consistent dip in my SR that's likely Blue Moon Bay, Tokyo East or Sarthe when bump drafting was still popular. Every bump was SR Down, -3 SR. Ridiculous but that's how it was, but people rather raced than worry about SR. What's oval racing without bump drafting? PD didn't like it and introduced disqualifications for too many hits. Result, people were bump drafting people into disqualification on Blue Moon Bay. The car ahead always got the SR Down, bump the leader until he gets thrown out of the race :banghead:

The DQ was abandoned again but it still got worse. A bump from behind would net the car ahead a time penalty next to SR Down. It was abused by many, tap the car ahead, tap the wall, car ahad gets 3 sec penalty and 10 SR loss. It even became a tactic to steal the win on Tokyo. Draft tap the leader before the finish (not enough speed to overtake) then tap the wall before the finish line. Leader gets 3 sec penalty after the line and gets pushed to second.

Nowadays you find very few bump drafters anymore and most people see it as an attack if you bump them on a straight :banghead:

Oh yeah, I stopped qualifying quite early when the penalties got ridiculous the first time. 10 sec for any touch, usually not your fault, just your fault for having higher DR than the player that touched you. T1 was always 10 sec penalty for you when the car behind didn't brake in time. Hence I chose to start from the back and stuck to it.

I admit I sometimes retaliate as well. I can be very patient, but I have my limits with certain people. Then I gladly take the SR hit to take them out, force them to last or even to quit. Rest of the field can race on without problems. It's usually a non qualifier starting with me from the back that can't behave and thinks it's seal clubbing time. I hate to see that and will gladly take them out if I can, of course taking care not to create more incidents with innocent bystanders.

Anyway most of the drops are from the ridiculous way PD dishes out SR downs. -10 SR for whatever registers, no nuance. You can punt someone to the moon, bump draft or fail to avoid a crashing car / bad track re-entry, it's all the same to PD. And while racing from the back you meet half the pack or more during the race. On average I gain 7 positions per race on Sarthe according to my stats, this week it's more like 14 per race :lol: People can not handle that car.

Some examples of the horror the penalty system was


Enough rambling, time to go race!

Sounds interesting, but why not just create a 2nd account? 🤔
 
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