"Daily" Race Discussion

[JayRS200]

Maybe you didn't read everything or understood everything I wrote, even in the messages before it, it's not about individual mistakes that others make, it's about the behavior of many people in general.
Of those who close you on purpose and then want to make up places again, many behave extremely maliciously.
And if the driver in front of you brakes hard repeatedly and you try to overtake him, then it's no longer fun.

I understood everything you said, did you understand everything I said? Did you take offence to me saying you are a low rated driver? The beauty of kudos prime is there is no hiding. You say you're not slow but kudos tells a different story. I can see a pattern in your info on there. As I said I mean no offence, it's just the way it is, it gets better as you get better, and really by 55 days of play you should have learned to stay at worst low S SR rating. Increasing the size of your text won't make anything any different. As for you crying about not wanting GT7, well that was you who said it so don't complain to me if I back you up on your wishes.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I'm uncomfortable calling anyone slow, I mean we all are unless we are a+.

In the current system of very low penalties, sr should be manageable to keep above 70, even accounting for the rough races.

 

[bone_tone]

I'm uncomfortable calling anyone slow, I mean we all are unless we are a+.

In the current system of very low penalties, sr should be manageable to keep above 70, even accounting for the rough races.

There's some pretty rough driving in Race C this week, but I've only seen one or two red SRs (although one of those was a red A, so he must have been really dirty!).

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Speed really shouldn’t have anything to do with how clean races are. It clearly does but it shouldn’t. DR C should be just as clean as top split but with slower players. That’s the ideal PD should be aiming for but it feels like with GTsport they were catering solely for top split and sod everyone else. I really hope they’ve done something with gt7

 

[Joe1888cfc]

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[D_Dragline]

Speed really shouldn’t have anything to do with how clean races are. It clearly does but it shouldn’t. DR C should be just as clean as top split but with slower players. That’s the ideal PD should be aiming for but it feels like with GTsport they were catering solely for top split and sod everyone else. I really hope they’ve done something with gt7

The difference isn’t due to “speed” it’s to do with race craft and car control. The top drivers don’t divebomb or punt as much because they are better at judging when a move will work.

Even the cleanest intentioned DRC driver will sometimes misjudge their braking/turning points.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I’ve got such a weak spot with GR4. Time trialing lago maggiore for next week and best I can do after a couple of hours is 2.05.3 in the megane. I can’t drive the TT or scirocco at all; feels like I’m driving my van. I feel like we should have different DR for each group!

 

[xMAXIx79]

I understood everything you said, did you understand everything I said? Did you take offence to me saying you are a low rated driver? The beauty of kudos prime is there is no hiding. You say you're not slow but kudos tells a different story. I can see a pattern in your info on there. As I said I mean no offence, it's just the way it is, it gets better as you get better, and really by 55 days of play you should have learned to stay at worst low S SR rating. Increasing the size of your text won't make anything any different. As for you crying about not wanting GT7, well that was you who said it so don't complain to me if I back you up on your wishes.

The text was made larger because I copied it from the translation of my app, I don't know why this sometimes happens. I just don't say anything about anything else. You're the pro and I'm the noob. Got it.

 

[barak181]

I’ve got such a weak spot with GR4. Time trialing lago maggiore for next week and best I can do after a couple of hours is 2.05.3 in the megane. I can’t drive the TT or scirocco at all; feels like I’m driving my van. I feel like we should have different DR for each group!

I'm the opposite. I'm markedly faster in Gr 4 machinery. I think it has to do with the fact that I can be more aggressive on the throttle in Gr 4 but I don't have as much time to play anymore so I haven't taken the time to really figure it out.

 

[Chris30]

Now I seem to be handling the Dragon Trail races pretty well which makes me thrilled. Finally getting the hang of things, still would be nice to win.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I’ve got such a weak spot with GR4. Time trialing lago maggiore for next week and best I can do after a couple of hours is 2.05.3 in the megane. I can’t drive the TT or scirocco at all; feels like I’m driving my van. I feel like we should have different DR for each group!

Which megane? The regular one is way more of a van than the scirocco.

I think you need to alter your apex for the ff cars. Try apexing a bit later and square off the exit more. If you take a traditional line you will unedersteer off as you exit. BB should be 5 on all these cars to aid turn in.

Back on the day the jag especially was really competitive but they neutered it and ruined group 4. I mean the underpowered and understeer wrx is often the only ff competitor now and that is a weird car to drive.

 

[LGBT_Barron]

I have, i just seem to be faster in the Evo. I try and stick to one car as much as possible, especially seeing as i'm only 3000dr off A+

Can i detract this statement. Started driving the Megane Trophy....and FINALLY got to A+

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Which megane? The regular one is way more of a van than the scirocco.

I think you need to alter your apex for the ff cars. Try apexing a bit later and square off the exit more. If you take a traditional line you will unedersteer off as you exit. BB should be 5 on all these cars to aid turn in.

Back on the day the jag especially was really competitive but they neutered it and ruined group 4. I mean the underpowered and understeer wrx is often the only ff competitor now and that is a weird car to drive.

It’s the one with the bonnet scoops. I definitely need to adjust my lines, I’m looking at track guides but I just can’t replicate what I’m seeing. I think it’s a braking issue. What sort of time are you getting? So I’ve got something to aim for

 

[barak181]

I think you need to alter your apex for the ff cars. Try apexing a bit later and square off the exit more. If you take a traditional line you will unedersteer off as you exit. BB should be 5 on all these cars to aid turn in.

Just FYI, @Tidgney recommends +3 instead of +5 for FF cars. I forget the details but basically the +3 is actually better at rotating the car than +5.

 

[AndrewD3k]

Bit too late for gt7 but hey A rating at last

 

[NoStopN]

So… why is PD copyright claiming GT7 videos? End users don’t need to follow embargo, do they?

Agreed. End of discussion.

Because the game has not officially been released, and apparently they want to protect the embargo’s impact.

The general public doesn’t need to respect the embargo, but Sony can still request uploads to be removed.

So far, @NICKname seems to have hit the nail on the head. All of the videos I've seen have copyright strike not by Sony, but some entity I can't say I've heard before. Maybe it's some division of Sony that oversees the music portion of the game, but the music is the most likely reason & most likely getting hit by those auto detecting bots.

 

[Little_Guppy]

NevilleNobody:
I think you need to alter your apex for the ff cars. Try apexing a bit later and square off the exit more. If you take a traditional line you will unedersteer off as you exit. BB should be 5 on all these cars to aid turn in.

Just FYI, @Tidgney recommends +3 instead of +5 for FF cars. I forget the details but basically the +3 is actually better at rotating the car than +5.

In my experience:

• RCZ @ Red Bull Ring +3 is best for hot lapping.
• VW Scirocco @ Mount Panorama / Bathurst +3 is best for hot lapping.
• VW Scirocco @ Nordschleife +3 or +4 is best.
• Never use +5 in for Audi TT @ N24... you can randomly lose the back-end (180 degrees spin) on the start/finish just by driving straight (there is an elevation change there)!

I have done well with those settings in those combos so I have some confidence in my views.

+5 is "too much of a good thing" and you get too much rotation on corner entry leading to oversteer or a loosening of lateral grip on the rear. That is the best way that I can explain it. This is especially true at Mount Panorama for the start and end of the mountain ("the cut" and Forrests Elbow).

There are other reasons for +5. It shifts tire wear away from the front and you may consider increasing it for a C race if tire wear is a problem. Then somehow the world reduced it to "+5 is best in general" and it is really not best "in general". It is best in many but not all cases.

I do not know what is best for Magoire in Group 4. I have not done well there.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

In the TT I set a time of 2.03.6. Very pleased with that but suspect will still be a way off top half qualifying for DR A. Sector 1 I’m losing a lot of time.

 

[Little_Guppy]

The text was made larger because I copied it from the translation of my app, I don't know why this sometimes happens. I just don't say anything about anything else. You're the pro and I'm the noob. Got it.

Try to not take the feedback personally. Chats/Text/email/postings are so impersonal and it can amplify/convert critical/neutral comments into negative ones.

I also looked at your Kudos profile.

You have a q time in a recent venue that is just 2.3% off the pace. That is good. Keep that up and learn to get q laps that are consistently that good and are repeatable. Speed, confidence and consistency are always good. Practice odd and defensive lines so you know your braking points for situations that are more likely to occur in the race.

For races: be clean, avoid contact, don't retaliate, finish races, put your ego to the side, "be the bigger man"... and so on. You are just starting on your GTS journey. For now, ignore that other advice about racecraft and appropriate retaliation as it too much to manage so early. The racecraft will develop bit by bit and it uses those same ingredients - speed, consistency, confidence, alternative lines, proper defenses, being clean, gaining the respect from others...

 

[LGBT_Barron]

Bit too late for gt7 but hey A rating at lastView attachment 1118073

Too late....? I just got my A+ today....does that mean i won't be A+ when i start GT7 ?

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Too late....? I just got my A+ today....does that mean i won't be A+ when i start GT7 ?

Seems like it’ll be whatever your rating was as of 15th feb but that’s not absolutely concrete yet as there was some ambiguity about uploading data.

 

[LGBT_Barron]

In the TT I set a time of 2.03.6. Very pleased with that but suspect will still be a way off top half qualifying for DR A. Sector 1 I’m losing a lot of time.

I looked at the times from the last time we had this race and top guys were getting 2.01's.....a 2.03.6 would maybe just get you in the top 1000.....but obvs less people playing just now, so you never know.

Oh and i know this is maybe a bit late but if your doing race c and trying to get a better time i found setting my bb to the front in a 4wd car got me better times. i had it set to 3 to the rear most of the week.

 

[Tidgney]

Just FYI, @Tidgney recommends +3 instead of +5 for FF cars. I forget the details but basically the +3 is actually better at rotating the car than +5.

+5 will rotate the car more but a lot of people (Depending on skill level) would struggle with +5 because the car instant rotates on brakes and will cause braking distances to increase as they'll be sliding, +3 seems like a better overall average and so most will go faster on it, it's why I recommend it now more than ever .

There's also some talk or was some talk in the past about extreme brake balances causing more understeer although I never looked into that more, so not sure on that.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I looked at the times from the last time we had this race and top guys were getting 2.01's.....a 2.03.6 would maybe just get you in the top 1000.....but obvs less people playing just now, so you never know.

I think I need more practice 😆. Frustrating how I do really well on some combos but so badly on others.

 

[barak181]

+5 will rotate the car more but a lot of people (Depending on skill level) would struggle with +5 because the car instant rotates on brakes and will cause braking distances to increase as they'll be sliding, +3 seems like a better overall average and so most will go faster on it, it's why I recommend it now more than ever .

There's also some talk or was some talk in the past about extreme brake balances causing more understeer although I never looked into that more, so not sure on that.

I knew he'd come along to correct my horribly botched attempt at an explanation.

 

[NoStopN]

There's also some talk or was some talk in the past about extreme brake balances causing more understeer although I never looked into that more, so not sure on that.

I'll throw a little of my experience in on this. Since I drive FR cars mostly, this is the bulk of my knowledge. Moving even a little of the brake bias causes noticeable change to the handling. I have tried to learn most cars at 0 BB. But, I have noticed that FR cars who add rear BB can settle down a car that is notorious for oversteer under trailbraking (looking at you Viper). Typically adding 1 step forward (-1) tends to overload the front tires, which in turn causes understeer. I am rather aggressive, so some people may not experience as noticeably as I do.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Remember inuse dpad which has inherent understeer. The tt, rcz, megane and wrx all need +5 to induce turn in for me, and I still don't find it enough.

 

[JoeDaSnow]

This week, I had three daily race wins on Monday, Thursday and tonight. All of these took place in Daily Race A that featured the Honda S660.

 

[xMAXIx79]

Try to not take the feedback personally. Chats/Text/email/postings are so impersonal and it can amplify/convert critical/neutral comments into negative ones.

I also looked at your Kudos profile.

You have a q time in a recent venue that is just 2.3% off the pace. That is good. Keep that up and learn to get q laps that are consistently that good and are repeatable. Speed, confidence and consistency are always good. Practice odd and defensive lines so you know your braking points for situations that are more likely to occur in the race.

For races: be clean, avoid contact, don't retaliate, finish races, put your ego to the side, "be the bigger man"... and so on. You are just starting on your GTS journey. For now, ignore that other advice about racecraft and appropriate retaliation as it too much to manage so early. The racecraft will develop bit by bit and it uses those same ingredients - speed, consistency, confidence, alternative lines, proper defenses, being clean, gaining the respect from others...

Thank you for your words. Yes, my problem is that I hardly ever use a defensive line in the race. So far, at least from what I've experienced, it's almost always been the case that when I'm driving a defensive line, I'm a lot slower, which makes it even easier for other drivers to stay close and then it doesn't take long before I'm pushed aside, shot down. When something like that happens, I lose a lot of places and yes, it frustrates me immensely.
I usually try to stay in the race and get as good a placement as possible, but my concentration is destroyed immediately. I drive more at risk and if you are then blocked I can hardly brake.. or I brake in time so as not to damage the driver in front of me and you are then rammed by the car behind you and lose more places.

My Q times are sometimes not the best, I know that. But as I said, I only play 5x days and only about 3x days online. I had to learn a lot in that time.

Then I practiced a lot more on the slower tires on the stretches where it was necessary to use 2 different tires and only rarely like e.g. pushed my Q time with the softer tires last week. That's not meant as an excuse, I didn't say/meant that I'm a too driver.. far from it, but I'm not the slowest (at least on open track) AND I'm always trying to get faster. If I ride a track and I like it, I practice a lot. However, I often used the "wrong" car for the first few weeks. For example, I only drove Spa in the rain in the Ford GT, or "Magi" in the McLaren. That wasn't very clever ( from me ) just looking at the times.

Here one of my best Races at Seaside this week..

 

[Tidgney]

I'll throw a little of my experience in on this. Since I drive FR cars mostly, this is the bulk of my knowledge. Moving even a little of the brake bias causes noticeable change to the handling. I have tried to learn most cars at 0 BB. But, I have noticed that FR cars who add rear BB can settle down a car that is notorious for oversteer under trailbraking (looking at you Viper). Typically adding 1 step forward (-1) tends to overload the front tires, which in turn causes understeer. I am rather aggressive, so some people may not experience as noticeably as I do.

It does but what I meant was, +5 in theory should reduce understeer even more but it appears as though it increases it and I really need to test that at some point .