- 5,081
- Nor Cal
- sturk0167
Looks like a total nightmare.
I doubt tuning will be required for all daily races, though.
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I doubt tuning will be required for all daily races, though.
- 770
- Pennsyltucky
- mellofello9
It used to irk me that the BoP was applied to Dailies because I thought, "Great, now I'm gonna lose because I can't use my super-awesome set-up." Then I started to compare TT times with BoP'd race times and something became very, very clear...there's a good reason I don't set-up racecars for a living. 🤣
I can still do a MUCH better job with the 911 RSR's gear ratios than what we get by default...suppose a monkey could pull that off, too, though.
- 3,841
- Canada
- TPCDangerSashimi
I did the Road to GT7 Series. And the tuning was pretty simple after the 1st race. The parameters are limited. And not everything needs to be changed from the stock tune.
For 1 of the races the camber was really the only setting that needed adhjustment and for another the gear ratios only. For all the races the driver with the top time in NA also shared tuning on YouTube and everyone went with that by the 2nd race.
Overall I felt it was a learning experience. And kind of went nuts over the weekend playing with ride height.
For 1 of the races the camber was really the only setting that needed adhjustment and for another the gear ratios only. For all the races the driver with the top time in NA also shared tuning on YouTube and everyone went with that by the 2nd race.
Overall I felt it was a learning experience. And kind of went nuts over the weekend playing with ride height.
- 3,338
- Canada
If there's tuning in dailies I am not buying the game, it is that simple for me. I don't have time for that BS. It does absolutely nothing but widens the gap between the top end drivers and the mid pack.
- 1,565
- United Kingdom
Thing is how would I know that only this or that would need to be adjusted? I’ve no idea what camber does, no idea how to adjust gear ratios, nor do I wish to learn. I appreciate some people might like to play around with ride height or whatever, but I absolutely do not. And if in the end everyone just uses whatever gets posted online by the quickest person then the meta situation is even worse as you can’t even consider a different tune, let alone a different car. At least at the moment most races will offer up a choice of two cars to be competitive.I did the Road to GT7 Series. And the tuning was pretty simple after the 1st race. The parameters are limited. And not everything needs to be changed from the stock tune.
For 1 of the races the camber was really the only setting that needed adhjustment and for another the gear ratios only. For all the races the driver with the top time in NA also shared tuning on YouTube and everyone went with that by the 2nd race.
Overall I felt it was a learning experience. And kind of went nuts over the weekend playing with ride height.
I fully understand this is my insular view on things. But for me it’s about the racing. Driving simulator not a telemetry analytics simulator.
- 105
- Germany
what's up dude good racing. europe region drivers are too sweaty and difficult for me, need to really invest a lot of time to get a good quali and consistently race all week to keep up, which is tricky with a youngster to look after!
- 105
- Germany
maybe in casual lobbies this is the case, but at a competitive level, there will always be someone experienced with tuning in the game, who can spend a lot of time experimenting prior to next weeks races, and who will tune the fastest car. what happens is, based upon what happened in the manu and road to gt 7 series especially, there will literally be one car makes and not using this car and tune will put you at a severe disadvantage. that's just how it is, doesn't even matter if you have a decent idea about tuning, because some guy will tune a faster car (and wouldn't be surprised if they were tempted to monotize, couldn't blame them..)I did the Road to GT7 Series. And the tuning was pretty simple after the 1st race. The parameters are limited. And not everything needs to be changed from the stock tune.
For 1 of the races the camber was really the only setting that needed adhjustment and for another the gear ratios only. For all the races the driver with the top time in NA also shared tuning on YouTube and everyone went with that by the 2nd race.
Overall I felt it was a learning experience. And kind of went nuts over the weekend playing with ride height.
this is from someone who genuinely looks forward to tuning cars and figuring it all out in the single player career mode. would play it like an rpg
- 770
- Pennsyltucky
- mellofello9
If we can't get both I, for one, would prefer to do ONLY BoP -vs- "Who tuned less terribly" every race. Would be nice if they could support the 'both' option, though. Depending on the car, there are seconds to be gained in a lap just by optimizing gear ratios.
I understand some, maybe most, have zero interest in that level of settings management/configuration but the settings can make MARKED improvements in a cars drivability...and if you know what you're doing.
- 1,565
- United Kingdom
This is exactly the problem imo. They should have a side game where everyone submits a tune and Sophy can see who’s quickest or something; let the rest of us race fair and square.
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- 770
- Pennsyltucky
- mellofello9
Won't disagree...the disparities are bad enough in the BoP realm. Adding the ability to tune will only serve to magnify that problem exponentially. Thus my personal desire for both (tuned class & BoP class) so you can make that choice -OR- they do BoP only and remove the choice altogether.
- 3,338
- Canada
I have a fundamental understanding and competence setting up a car, I am sure I can improve virtually every car to more to my liking than the stock tune. But it is pandora's box, you need a tune for each car, just seeing if one car suits you and the track vs another will take eons because you need to tune them all to see how good you can get them driving.
You will get folks spending eons n their tune and now those with time constraints are screwed. Don't tell me to coy and paste a tune because a) it may not suit my driving style and b) if we're all going to use the same tune then why have tuning?
The entire point of Sport is not to be Asseto Corsa or iRacing, it is pick up, play and be racing in tight lobbies with a minimal amount of fuss. As soon as you introduce tuning this is out the window.
It is absolute and utter madness to have tuning in dailies IMHO. At the very MOST maybe allow for wing adjustments on downforce cars but even then the better drivers will have a HUGE advantage as they can control the powerful cars totally trimmed out.
Madness.
- 1,538
- NRW - GT
I can understand anyone who is very worried about the tuning, but I ask you to keep calm until we see how it goes. I can well imagine that many will not agree with this and if there are too many, PD will certainly react and come up with something. The current BoP system is clearly comfortable and only the driver and the "right car" decide about victory or defeat (ok also the behavior of the other drivers), if the tuning is completely allowed, that can change again.
I think that if there will be tuning in the daily races, the gap between the top drivers and the "normal" will become even bigger. Because you can assume that the really fast drivers are also able to tune their cars well.
I wish that if there is tuning in such a way that you can save an unlimited number of setups, otherwise it's big crap.
At least I'm quite happy with this week's races and I've almost reached my previous best points again. Unfortunately, I can't find the time to do a better qualification. But I don't have to start from the back just yet.
I think that if there will be tuning in the daily races, the gap between the top drivers and the "normal" will become even bigger. Because you can assume that the really fast drivers are also able to tune their cars well.
I wish that if there is tuning in such a way that you can save an unlimited number of setups, otherwise it's big crap.
At least I'm quite happy with this week's races and I've almost reached my previous best points again. Unfortunately, I can't find the time to do a better qualification. But I don't have to start from the back just yet.
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- 6,764
- Ontario
- SvennoJ
- SvenZ
That's why I don't mind dropping to lower SR, far fewer up tight people there
If tuning is in the dailies I might stick to GT Sport a bit longer for online races. A+ rooms are unimaginative enough, all the same car, next is all the same tuned car? It's going to drive people even more into qualifying / tuning, not racing.
I'll be on the N24 until Monday anyway, Nordschleife > GT7 !
Although GT7 has rain on the track. I wonder what the first set of dailies for GT7 will be.
- 770
- Pennsyltucky
- mellofello9
It's sad that I do have fun making seemingly insignificant settings changes that net me a car more akin to a drift-missile than a more tire friendly, time-attack weapon....diff settings can be scary. The countless hours spent getting the Autech beast set-up to run the 'Ring smooth as silk payed off for me in the end. A more enjoyable car to drive on my ALL TIME FAVORITE course.
I do have a baseline I start from but, and to your point, you end-up with custom tunes for each car at each track. While fun, it does deteriorate the overall experience if that's not your thing. Likely best reserved for custom, user derived Lobby races, in the end.
- 1,565
- United Kingdom
A nice QoL feature would be average qualy time for your DR points and also average sector times as well. Just a little thing that would help when setting a time.
- 5,669
- Ulricehamn
Two races on N24, met @Sven Jurgens in the first, I made space for you to pass and you did totally clean then the Brazilian behind you took advantage, dove in ( absolutely OK and legit) and left absolutely no space on exit, putting me in the rail loosing 5 spots for a while (rather dirty of him. Pass, fine, but always leave the space)
Was still a fun race, using @Stencedaddy s excellent livery
Second race, started last as I spun on my Q lap and didn't finish it.
Was an interesting race for sure, made it pretty far up but then another Brazilian racer in the Meta Supra, but not in control of it sent me off. He sent several other people off too, not malicious, even though they might think it was, he just had no car control and on lap 2 I passed him before Flugplatz and had a gap to him of over 5 seconds at the Carousel. He quit later.
Was still a fun race, using @Stencedaddy s excellent livery
Second race, started last as I spun on my Q lap and didn't finish it.
Was an interesting race for sure, made it pretty far up but then another Brazilian racer in the Meta Supra, but not in control of it sent me off. He sent several other people off too, not malicious, even though they might think it was, he just had no car control and on lap 2 I passed him before Flugplatz and had a gap to him of over 5 seconds at the Carousel. He quit later.
- 1,781
- United Kingdom
- bone_tone
You can get the average QT for your DR from gtblade.com, not the sector times though unfortunately.
Not looking forward to tuning for the Dailies in gT7, can't do it myself, and can't drive what most people put out as a good tune - probably for the same reason that I am always slow with whatever the META car is for the GT Sport Dailies. I don't know why, but I always find the META undriveable!
- 1,565
- United Kingdom
I didn’t know that about GTBlade, most helpful!
I wonder how this tuning thing will shake out. I’m confident in saying (with no evidence of course) that most players that race online have much of a clue about tuning, or certainly not enough to keep up with people that are really into it. Could be a massive turn off for a lot of people.
- 2,323
- United States
About "tuning" in Sport Mode:
1) Let's separate tuning from setups. Tuning is slapping aftermarket parts on, and setup is adjusting your suspension, diffs, ride height, gear ratios, etc... I think the backlash here is against setups being allowed, not tuning.
2) Whether you know how to do setups or not is irrelevant. I personally do not believe it is in the spirit of Gran Turismo to allow setups in Sport Mode. It goes against their philosophy of a semi-realistic accessible racing game. Believe me, I participated for a year in a ACC league and spent 10 to 20 hours a week before each race JUST DOING SETUP WORK! It's like a part-time job and a massive chore. I was enjoying it at first but after a few months it just started to burn me out. I am not a professional driver and don't have a professional engineer. If I wanted to spend hours messing around with setups, well I would just go back to ACC.
3) The obvious solution to this is to mix up the Dailies. For sure there can be races with tuning and setups and races without. That would be a good compromise but at the same time would reduce the variety. Also, if something like Manufacturers Series comes back, I think that would be a great place to allow setups. If you are going to be using the same car for a whole year, well then a few hours getting a base setup together to use and tweak over a whole year sounds OK.
Just my $0.02. For the record, I am against allowing setups in Sport Mode.
1) Let's separate tuning from setups. Tuning is slapping aftermarket parts on, and setup is adjusting your suspension, diffs, ride height, gear ratios, etc... I think the backlash here is against setups being allowed, not tuning.
2) Whether you know how to do setups or not is irrelevant. I personally do not believe it is in the spirit of Gran Turismo to allow setups in Sport Mode. It goes against their philosophy of a semi-realistic accessible racing game. Believe me, I participated for a year in a ACC league and spent 10 to 20 hours a week before each race JUST DOING SETUP WORK! It's like a part-time job and a massive chore. I was enjoying it at first but after a few months it just started to burn me out. I am not a professional driver and don't have a professional engineer. If I wanted to spend hours messing around with setups, well I would just go back to ACC.
3) The obvious solution to this is to mix up the Dailies. For sure there can be races with tuning and setups and races without. That would be a good compromise but at the same time would reduce the variety. Also, if something like Manufacturers Series comes back, I think that would be a great place to allow setups. If you are going to be using the same car for a whole year, well then a few hours getting a base setup together to use and tweak over a whole year sounds OK.
Just my $0.02. For the record, I am against allowing setups in Sport Mode.
- 49
- Brazil
Trying to go an extra mile on those daily races, because we don't know how long GTS servers will remain online. I'm with the guys which are not going to upgrade right now, because I don't have a PS5 and the info about the PS4 version still unknown and we will only know in depth after the release and of course, every new release at full price is very expensive here. Will take a while to upgrade and I believe at least in Americas, will be some fellow latinos to play until the very end.
I don't know, but I really lack pace on green hell. I don't give Supra or Vette a try, but I felt good with A.M and Mustang. Did some C races with average results at the best. And race B I need a lot more practice on FF cars.
I don't know, but I really lack pace on green hell. I don't give Supra or Vette a try, but I felt good with A.M and Mustang. Did some C races with average results at the best. And race B I need a lot more practice on FF cars.
- 203
- Glasgow
- ZFS_Barron
I'm completely the opposite. I love Alsace, Fuji and the more 'technical' tracks (aside from the Nordschlife which i would love to to metaphorically set fire to). I punch well below my weight at all the tracks you punch above.
- 3,338
- Canada
Lol we should play two player and swap places every other corner.
Rbr and sardegna are very similar, you need to throw the car at the corner, just hurl it in, and pray she sticks.
Rbr and sardegna are very similar, you need to throw the car at the corner, just hurl it in, and pray she sticks.
- 2,323
- United States
Kudos for the RBR reference. Best rally game ever. And thanks to the mods it's better than ever and still has an enormous player base. I guess that's why no studio dares to create another rally sim. Nothing since RBR has come close in physics and FFB.
- 3,338
- Canada
Whatchootalkinboutwillis?
Half decent night in race b, some filthy dirty, others quite clean. Race below was interesting, not a fan of my own late race move but went with it after I felt he cut across my apex after his penalty.
Half decent night in race b, some filthy dirty, others quite clean. Race below was interesting, not a fan of my own late race move but went with it after I felt he cut across my apex after his penalty.
- 1,538
- NRW - GT
Please excuse me for correcting you or questioning your post.
As far as I know, it is possible with ACC to save unlimited setups for the respective vehicle. If that's the case, I'm really surprised that someone says they have to invest countless hours for the setup EVERY week for EVERY race. (At least that's how I understood your post) Well, that may well be the case for you, but then you did NOT use the opportunity to create a proper "library" of setups yourself.
The way I see it, for each car you want to drive, you need a "basic setup" for each route. This is then adapted to the weather and, if necessary, the permitted tires and, in the best case, you also save them.
As a result, you ALWAYS have a working setup for all routes and all preferred vehicles within a "short time". As a result, very long tinkering after the correct settings is superfluous after a short time.
I could be wrong about the setups, since I've only dealt with ACC quite superficially. Because ACC doesn't have a "Nordschleife" and that's why it wasn't interesting for me.
For my part, I hope that if GT7 allows open setups in the daily races, there will be the possibility, as I said before, to save a lot of setups as well.
In a short time you can reach a similar level as now with BoP, only with the difference that the players who have worked out a setup, or who copy a good and suitable setup, will probably be faster than those who drive with the basic settings will.
It's also a fact that the basic setup of a car won't be "undriveable", but it won't reveal the maximum of a car.
On the other hand, there is the "normal" driver like zb. I might also have the opportunity to use the car in your class through a clever setup, which suits you personally better, instead of having to rely on "DAS META AUTO/ The META CAR" in order to be competitive.
I had such a case e.g. at the "Road to GT7" series in Suzuka. The DB1 was THE meta Car and many used it, but also a lot in my class WITHOUT the "meta setup", so these DB1s weren't really that much faster and I was able to keep up very well with my McLaren F1 thanks to clever setup, or even make up a lot of places and achieve nice results.
For those active players here in the forum who don't want to spend hours "working out" a new setup every week, there will definitely be help from other players here who can give you a working setup for your car and the track in question within a few minutes. Then and if, as already mentioned, there is the possibility of being able to save an unlimited number of these setups, I don't see a big problem in open setups.
However, if it stays like it is now, that I think you can only have 7 setups per car, I am also against open tuning.
Of course you can also create a database "externally", but I personally don't feel like doing that. (but would do it if there was no other way)
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- 5,669
- Ulricehamn
- 3,338
- Canada
This. Even in A rooms, there can be 1 second from P3 to P14. Yesterday in Race B I was 11th with a 2.03.6, there were 4 guys ahead of me on 2.03.5. Every tenth counts so now I need to tweak my set up for every car on every track and on every tyre? Complete waste of my time. This is what lobbies or FIA events are for, dailies should first and foremost be about pic up and play.
Nightmare.
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- 1,174
- Phoenix, AZ
- MonyB
I guess it's only fitting that on my way out the door of GTS I get called dirty one more time...
Before anyone says anything, yes I suppose I should've braked earlier but my old man reflexes aren't as quick as yours and I wasn't able to react to his late swerve back to the racing line in time. I had no room to the outside, which is why I went as hard as I could to his inside. All of which is probably why I'm perennially stuck at high B/low A.
Before anyone says anything, yes I suppose I should've braked earlier but my old man reflexes aren't as quick as yours and I wasn't able to react to his late swerve back to the racing line in time. I had no room to the outside, which is why I went as hard as I could to his inside. All of which is probably why I'm perennially stuck at high B/low A.
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