"Daily" Race Discussion

[jrbabbitt]

Being hit by others does not reduce your Sr...bumping other people om the other hand...

I had a quick look at your profile on kudosprime, you lost 50 points in one day, that wouldn't happen from other people hitting you.

Perhaps a rewatch of the driving etiquette videos is required 🤔

No, it happened during last week's C race with the Gr.1, I started in last and was hit repeatedly after I had cleanly passed a few after the 1st and 2nd chicanes, i had a clean race but the red B showed itself, I swear on this...


Now I'm taking DR hits to get my SR back to S.
I'm running the A race and staying back not to hit ANYONE, but still there are [Deleted] drivers that want to intentionally hit and push and ram you off despite you being in last place...

It's now 7:15 am and about to do my last race hoping I don't mess up again..
At the end of my day, I think I did ok...

 

[Groundfish]

I ran several b races last night. There was one time I got punted hard by a driver from the front who crashed out.
I beat him most races though-he crashed many times.
I saw a new friend get kinda forced wide and blocked, so I forced the guy wide that did it.
Overall another fun night of racing.

 

[Billmellor]

I ran several b races last night. There was one time I got punted hard by a driver from the front who crashed out.
I beat him most races though-he crashed many times.
I saw a new friend get kinda forced wide and blocked, so I forced the guy wide that did it.
Overall another fun night of racing.

This is the kind of behaviour that just makes races toxic. Driving defensive is a legit tactic, people think in a race the lines should be the same as a hot lap. Getting revenge for a friend, is just an excuse for dirty driving

 

[sturk0167]

Getting revenge for a friend, is just an excuse for dirty driving

Sounds like justice to me.
However, getting revenge for yourself, or someone else, can often ruin your race.

 

[Chris30]

Well i'll be honest my driving is iffy. Especially if i'm driving Group 3-4 high powered cars. For example I was doing a custom race at the Suzuka curcuit, 4-laps (12 cars). I went so fast that I messed up in these areas, i'll show pictures. The Suzuka course is overall an average track but I get frustrated when driving higher powered cars cause I run into the wall or run off the track (into the sand).

 

[O604]

Sounds like justice to me.
However, getting revenge for yourself, or someone else, can often ruin your race.

Nah, there's a reason it's called a revenge punt and not a justice punt.

A justice punt would require a trial by a larger group of people before being handed out.

 

[Stephan]

This was probably the most stacked Daily Race B grid I ever been to in a while.

Kept my cool for those three sessions where I had to race with like 6-9 DR A+ drivers and all of them I managed to finish in the podium and it also allowed me to gain 60K DR for the first time.

 

[87lc2]

This is the kind of behaviour that just makes races toxic. Driving defensive is a legit tactic, people think in a race the lines should be the same as a hot lap. Getting revenge for a friend, is just an excuse for dirty driving

It was the other driver that was toxic. He tried to force me off for two entire laps (not defensive driving, actively trying to push into the sand) and I kept it together and played nice waiting for a clean pass, but he eventually got me. I don't typically punt, but I should have gotten rid of him much sooner.

 

[Timm Sheehan]

Well i'll be honest my driving is iffy. Especially if i'm driving Group 3-4 high powered cars. For example I was doing a custom race at the Suzuka curcuit, 4-laps (12 cars). I went so fast that I messed up in these areas, i'll show pictures. The Suzuka course is overall an average track but I get frustrated when driving higher powered cars cause I run into the wall or run off the track (into the sand).

Have you ever looked for race replays or TT laps for the specific track or tracks you are working on? By watching others I can learn how they take the corners and what I need to emulate in order to improve my time. I recommend this.

 

[Billmellor]

Sounds like justice to me.
However, getting revenge for yourself, or someone else, can often ruin your race.

Hardly justice, the sort of behaviour that turns races to guff. Sometimes people do accidently ram, we can't all drive perfectly hundred percent of time. Its better to give them the benefit of the doubt at least until the lobby afterwards

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Yeah but you could still make a net gain. You aren't losing 50 points jn a day due to people hitting you off the track, you just aren't

I have seen people getting reset from a single race at Monza, so a day is no problem. And that's people that has been SR99 for months.
Go check out the penalty thread if you don't believe me

Nah, there's a reason it's called a revenge punt and not a justice punt.

A justice punt would require a trial by a larger group of people before being handed out.

 

[T_702_Balone]

If there is a driver who needs to be taken out, its him. He is dirty AF on his main also. Its not my style to take someone out, but if left unchecked, your race just went to ****.

 

[O604]

1 Race B this morning. Started 5th/finished 2nd.

Mostly due to 5 out of 12 players disconnected. My experience the last few weeks feels like Sony cut the number of servers in the area by half. Signal has been generally weaker according to the bars, and bars themselves have been inconsistent.

And does the Check Connection Quality button work for anyone on the Sports Mode page?

 

[Barra333]

And does the Check Connection Quality button work for anyone on the Sports Mode page?

Mine always comes up perfect for the bottom 4 parameters and poor on the top one, with a ping of ~200ms. That is with me connecting to the Australian servers from Canada.
Generally I have been on 3 bars, but more recently I've seen 2 more frequently. Not had a problem with disconnections.

 

[sturk0167]

Nah, there's a reason it's called a revenge punt and not a justice punt.

A justice punt would require a trial by a larger group of people before being handed out.

I'm talking about a different kind of justice.

Since the game doesn't penalize rammers anymore, I believe an alternative form of behavior modification is sometimes appropriate.

Hardly justice, the sort of behaviour that turns races to guff. Sometimes people do accidently ram, we can't all drive perfectly hundred percent of time. Its better to give them the benefit of the doubt at least until the lobby afterwards

I'm not talking about the drivers who accidentally bump into you. That doesn't bother me.
I'm talking about punishing the habitual offenders.

 

[sturk0167]

*Next weeks races:

A: N200 - Kyoto-Miyabi
B: Gr.4 - DT Gardens II
C: Gr.3 - St Croix A II

 

[Groundfish]

It was the other driver that was toxic. He tried to force me off for two entire laps

Yep.

Since the game doesn't penalize rammers anymore, I believe an alternative form of behavior modification is sometimes appropriate

I agree. Without negative reinforcement to toxic behavior it will just continue.
I can personally attest also to coming to a mutual respect truce of sorts with several of the most toxic drivers at high level (A plus) on the server.
We made mutually assured destruction a reality.
Between us we know if contact is initiated by the other the response will be swift and intense and will not stop.
As a result of this, we have even taken care of our own as well when some rando starts up with dirty moves in good lobbies. We have SCMODS

The point of this is that if I hadn’t asserted myself then I would be here posting that the dirty guy ran me off again, like Henry Winkler!

 

[NAXEHT]

Funny, all the talk about dirty driving up in the “high level” lobbies. The past few days I’ve done about 60 races on Big Willow with only A+ and A. Very rarely have I experienced this kind of dirty driving and forcing people off. Of course it happens but not much at all. In fact, without even attempting it seriously I’m already on a streak of 52 clean races.

 

[Groundfish]

If there is a driver who needs to be taken out, its him. He is dirty AF on his main also. Its not my style to take someone out, but if left unchecked, your race just went to ****

LOL I just saw this-literally one of the players I mentioned above about mutually assured destruction!
Lmao small world/server.

 

[O604]

I'm talking about a different kind of justice.

Since the game doesn't penalize rammers anymore, I believe an alternative form of behavior modification is sometimes appropriate.

That's not how rules works. That's Batman.

We don't want to share a track with cheaters. But we also don't want to share one with Batman. He drives like a dick.

 

[Groundfish]

Funny, all the talk about dirty driving up in the “high level” lobbies. The past few days I’ve done about 60 races on Big Willow with only A+ and A. Very rarely have I experienced this kind of dirty driving and forcing people off. Of course it happens but not much at all. In fact, without even attempting it seriously I’m already on a streak of 52 clean races.

I’m guessing you have a q of low ten and racepace low mid eleven on this track maybe high ten on draft lap in race?
On this track at that pace it’s a time trial-a FAST one but that doesn’t surprise me.
For me though I’d say I get hit or some other form of dirty at least 1 out of every 3 races.
Starting last my average clean race has been finishing tenth-basically because of the other A knocking each other off or crashing…
Out front of everyone it’s a different story but I could show you all the footage I have for example from the e30 one make with several top 20 q on the server people driving like dirtbags race after race….
The try hard can’t lose dr people.
Last night I came into a lobby and one guy says to others
“Sorry for the elbows but I was hit off and had to keep dr”
lol that’s the mentality of these people
Their precious dr is more important than passing fairly and cleanly without contact.

 

[sturk0167]

Last night I came into a lobby and one guy says to others
“Sorry for the elbows but I was hit off and had to keep dr”

Ha ha. There's the problem. It's just a stupid game!
Losing DR points will ultimately be one of the least important that ever happens in our lives.
No, I do not take the races seriously.
Fun/entertainment is all that I'm looking to get out of it.

 

[Groundfish]

No. I do not take the races seriously.
Fun/entertainment is all that I'm looking to get out of it.

Me too. I’ve had luck these last two days not practicing just racing no qual.
But thing is a fun race is a fun race.
DR has nothing to do with fun.
In fact for me, I would go so far as to say the higher the DR goes the less fun races I have.

 

[KosmoKazi]

I'm sure others got that second round of survey from PS about GT Sport... and 'how we feel' playing it.

I can't help but assume there's a connection to the starkly different penalty system environments and a survey before the change and now after it. Something is up.

 

[Redneckchef]

Finally got in to do a couple race C last night. Tale of 2 races. First race was a brawl. Divebombed turn 1 lap 1, and 2, rammed off lap 3, twice. When I caught the person and got inside they simply turned in on me at corner entry on a corner where a wheel on the grass sends you off. Only had 1 driver race me clean. Was bumped and knocked about so much I honestly couldnt get a rhythm and pace going.

Race 2, block the inside and park on the apex turn 1, still get slammed into enough to put my right wheels on the sand on exit. They try it again on the uphill left so I keep on it in the bowl left hander and they drive clean off. Had several good small battles with other drivers over the rest of the race, good clean driving.

Some people are just out there to gain spots no matter how they do it. Some are deliberately dirty. Plenty of clean drivers, so I always give a second chance. But frequent offenders such as the one in Kie's video who is so well known they changed their PSN to the one featured there need to be dealt with swiftly and harshly.

 

[NAXEHT]

I’m guessing you have a q of low ten and racepace low mid eleven on this track maybe high ten on draft lap in race?
On this track at that pace it’s a time trial-a FAST one but that doesn’t surprise me.
For me though I’d say I get hit or some other form of dirty at least 1 out of every 3 races.
Starting last my average clean race has been finishing tenth-basically because of the other A knocking each other off or crashing…
Out front of everyone it’s a different story but I could show you all the footage I have for example from the e30 one make with several top 20 q on the server people driving like dirtbags race after race….
The try hard can’t lose dr people.
Last night I came into a lobby and one guy says to others
“Sorry for the elbows but I was hit off and had to keep dr”
lol that’s the mentality of these people
Their precious dr is more important than passing fairly and cleanly without contact.

Well, since you asked, quali’s 1:10.188 and racepace around mid/high 10s. Sure, one could argue it’s a bit like a time trial, a bit depending on how quick the guys right behind you are and if they intend to go for the win or fight for the rest of the podium. Sometimes you escape with the win and other times it’s a lot tougher. But still, I can’t really echo the sentiment of how dirty it supposedly is.

Specifically at Big Willow I think we should also give people the benefit of doubt as honest mistakes could be interpreted as puntts and the like. Massive respect is needed though, given the dire consequences of losing control on the sand.

That quote is pretty daft though, I’ll give you that. I see how one might think that way but to publicly say that is kind of ridiculous.

 

[sturk0167]

Here is what I consider fair play:



The dude pushes me out of his way to take my spot. I intentionally do the same to him a few seconds later.
Can't imagine anyone having a problem with that. He didn't even say anything afterwards.
Whether he made a mistake, or did it intentionally, I think he knew we were all square. 👍

I have no idea why anyone wouldn't have done the same. 🤔

If you're someone who would not have done what I did, please explain, because I don't understand.

 

[OJBrit]

This is the kind of behaviour that just makes races toxic. Driving defensive is a legit tactic, people think in a race the lines should be the same as a hot lap. Getting revenge for a friend, is just an excuse for dirty driving

You're right in that defensive driving is a legit tactic. You are wrong in thinking that blocking is defensive driving. Blocking is illegal in all forms of motorsport because it leads to accidents and is unfair.

 

[Groundfish]

Blockings bad, but fair defense is great racing, in fact if guys don’t do it things go sideways.
I also want to mention that the ai in this game are showing us something with the brake checking.

If you are being closely followed by a very aggressive driver who is hitting you in the bumper, there’s nothing you can do if they decide to baby shove or punt to pass EXCEPT a bit of brake checking.
Imo it’s kinda dirty but if they have already gone arcade and showed intent to shove past it’s either you brake check or get shoved off-well that or you forget racing and pull over…
The AI do teach us something we can put to use, in the correct situations.

 

[Billmellor]

Me too. I’ve had luck these last two days not practicing just racing no qual.
But thing is a fun race is a fun race.
DR has nothing to do with fun.
In fact for me, I would go so far as to say the higher the DR goes the less fun races I have.

I'd have to disagree there. Once I got my Dr into mid 25ks I found the quality of racing to massively improve. It's the c and d rated drivers who seem to play like destruction Derby, but you mileage may vary

You're right in that defensive driving is a legit tactic. You are wrong in thinking that blocking is defensive driving. Blocking is illegal in all forms of motorsport because it leads to accidents and is unfair.

I agree completely, but I think a lot of people confuse blocking with driving defensively. In my eyes blocking is weaving on a straight to stop a faster driver, where as driving defensively is taking the inside line through corners etc. Not sure what everyone else thinks and would be happy to corrected!