Daytona 24 Minute Race: Daytona Road Course

[coryclifford]

Nice post ALB123, because I completely agree and have tried to say the same thing, only in much fewer words. It's an Enduro, drive accordingly.

I also just managed a win in a 615pp Toyota TS030 by staying focused on the end result. The car is in a class of its own apparently. One stopper, same tune, etc.

 

[skeagracing]

I am shocked that more people aren't using RS tires considering they are allowed in this event. I have run with RM tires a couple of times. My best lap time wasn't even a second faster than RH, but they wore out quicker than RH, so I really don't see the point in using RM tires. I'm sure the RS tires would give considerable grip early on, but they must wear out extremely quick.

I haven't run this event as much as most of you as I have been quite sick lately, but I have noticed a few things about this event. It's much more important that you pace yourself early on (the first 2 laps) rather than driving like a bat out of hell trying to get to first. You're not going to even come close and there are very good odds that you'll lose control and either spin, which is going to waste a considerable amount of time, or you're going to hit a wall or another car and incur a 5-second penalty.

In a few of my races I've noticed that I was ~26 seconds behind first place when the split time is shown on the screen just after leaving the infield section and getting back onto the banked oval section on my first lap of the race. I usually pass a few cars those first couple of laps, but for some reason I'm usually still ~26 seconds behind 1st place on Lap 2 at the same point. Instead of scratching my head and panicking - I just press on, focusing on driving as fast and smooth as possible.

Again, you don't have to drive like you're trying to set a world record. In fact, by going around the tight bends in the infield in a taller gear you will eliminate wheel spin and save tread on those tires. Think about it. If you drive like a madman, at the end of the race you'll probably only cross the finish line 10-15 seconds quicker than if you focused 100% on being smooth and safe. Remember, the faster you drive, the more the rabbit may push, if he has a chance. If you acquire a couple 5 second penalties by driving like a madman, what have you really gained?

I didn't think I was going to have quite this much fun with this event because I hate driving at night on Daytona's infield, but it has been fun. I hope everyone is having a blast too. Oh, and if anyone HAS used RS tires - let me know how it effected your race. Did you have to make a 3rd pit stop with a car you typically can finish the race with only 2 stops?

I only know how to drive like a bat out of hell but great post on the rest of your comments and very true for this event!!

 

[photonrider]

Nice post ALB123, because I completely agree and have tried to say the same thing, only in much fewer words.

I agree; I enjoy ALB123's posts - I want to say the same things, but he does a much better job, and saves me the trouble, too. 👍

It's great to empathise about our experiences in the game, and it opens our minds to the amount of enjoyment to be had in the game.
I'm taking it that there are many new players to this game - some who may have even tumbled into it with GT6 being the first instalment they have played; it's refreshing to come upon fresh perspectives.
There should be no shame to serendipity.

 

[BMWcrazy]

I am shocked that more people aren't using RS tires considering they are allowed in this event. I have run with RM tires a couple of times. My best lap time wasn't even a second faster than RH, but they wore out quicker than RH, so I really don't see the point in using RM tires. I'm sure the RS tires would give considerable grip early on, but they must wear out extremely quick.

I've been using only RS with my 908. It's pretty easy to squeeze out 5 laps with each set and do 15 laps each race.

The 908 isn't the fastest car but I can do 1:30-1:33 a lap consistently.

 

[crooky369]

I know you like to challenge yourself by using anything other than a LMP but, maybe you can use one and see if you can lap the entire field.

I reckon this is doable in the right car. I was about 15 seconds short of getting onto the 16th lap which I think's crucial to lap the whole field. The next issue I have though is tyre wear as my tyres were totally gone after a hard five lap stint on the RMs...

Possibly a modified 908 would do the trick.

 

[BlueArtic]

I am shocked that more people aren't using RS tires considering they are allowed in this event. I have run with RM tires a couple of times. My best lap time wasn't even a second faster than RH, but they wore out quicker than RH, so I really don't see the point in using RM tires. I'm sure the RS tires would give considerable grip early on, but they must wear out extremely quick.

I haven't run this event as much as most of you as I have been quite sick lately, but I have noticed a few things about this event. It's much more important that you pace yourself early on (the first 2 laps) rather than driving like a bat out of hell trying to get to first. You're not going to even come close and there are very good odds that you'll lose control and either spin, which is going to waste a considerable amount of time, or you're going to hit a wall or another car and incur a 5-second penalty.

In a few of my races I've noticed that I was ~26 seconds behind first place when the split time is shown on the screen just after leaving the infield section and getting back onto the banked oval section on my first lap of the race. I usually pass a few cars those first couple of laps, but for some reason I'm usually still ~26 seconds behind 1st place on Lap 2 at the same point. Instead of scratching my head and panicking - I just press on, focusing on driving as fast and smooth as possible.

Again, you don't have to drive like you're trying to set a world record. In fact, by going around the tight bends in the infield in a taller gear you will eliminate wheel spin and save tread on those tires. Think about it. If you drive like a madman, at the end of the race you'll probably only cross the finish line 10-15 seconds quicker than if you focused 100% on being smooth and safe. Remember, the faster you drive, the more the rabbit may push, if he has a chance. If you acquire a couple 5 second penalties by driving like a madman, what have you really gained?

I didn't think I was going to have quite this much fun with this event because I hate driving at night on Daytona's infield, but it has been fun. I hope everyone is having a blast too. Oh, and if anyone HAS used RS tires - let me know how it effected your race. Did you have to make a 3rd pit stop with a car you typically can finish the race with only 2 stops?

I did this event again with the 905B, even this time i made two stops but this time at the second stop i took the RS (with about 3 minutes remaining), my previuos best lap was 1:32 with an average of 1:33, with RS i easily did 1:29 in both the last two laps, but my tyres were already at 7 (i pushed pretty hard, with a more "endurance" style tyres will last more for sure)

 

[MustangManiac]

I've been using only RS with my 908. It's pretty easy to squeeze out 5 laps with each set and do 15 laps each race.

The 908 isn't the fastest car but I can do 1:30-1:33 a lap consistently.

I don't know, maybe it's just a difference in driving style, but I have had more success with RH-single stop rather than RS-multiple stops. Depending on the car I can usually lap between 1:34 to 1:37. The only occasional issue is with fuel like with the big Jag V12 I did run out on the last lap in NASCAR turns 3-4, but I had 45 seconds on P2 and had lapped the rest of the field so I was able to coast across fro the win.

 

[cmt]

Ha ha that's funny! Misjudged the 24 minutes & crossed the line on the 14th lap in 23m55s with Besson in his C60 Hybrid crossing at 24m01s so had to do a 15th lap on an empty tank at 50mph to finish in 26m35.896s - is that the slowest win yet???

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

I don't know, maybe it's just a difference in driving style, but I have had more success with RH-single stop rather than RS-multiple stops. Depending on the car I can usually lap between 1:34 to 1:37.

Exactly, I find Pit stops to be the most important thing apart from not crashing. More than Two pit stops basically kill any chance I have. You can go from fifth to near last each time. So I stick to Racing hards and just stop once if possible. Also the RH tires barely last as it is, RS you're getting 3 laps if you're lucky.

 

[cmt]

Ah that's better - 24m02s total time with Besson in his C60 Hybrid down in 6th for a change! That's the Audi R10 TDi and Audi R8 Race Car done now, plus the Mazda 787B. Might try my 2013 DeltaWing next... Failed in my Bentley Speed 8 yesterday so need to tweak that and try again

 

[coryclifford]

Just did it, finally, in an Audi R18 at the stock 626pp. One stopper, RH tire. That was pretty tough. So to answer a way previous post, yes you can do it in the stock TS030 and R18. I did do my suspension/lsd/aero tweak though… but still.



Those two cars you actually had to PUSH pretty hard to get good enough times. Very different than pretty much all the others.

 

[Johnny1996]

I just finally won the race on my 20th try with my Pescarolo. It came down to the wire. In fact, had the lead car not caught lap traffic, I would not have been able to pass him and win. Margin of victory: .373 sec.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

What I can't stand about this race is the inconsistency of the braking distance. I can cope with the handling. You never truly know how hard you can push the car which leads to over or under compensating. The braking distance is more fickle than a teenage one direction fan.

I know they admit it in the notes that the tyre wear is hyper exaggerated for time, but it's damn irritating sometimes.

 

[WhoosierGirl]

I know you like to challenge yourself by using anything other than a LMP but, maybe you can use one and see if you can lap the entire field.

This is the only LMP I have other than the TS hybrid, got them all in 15 laps.

 

[BenMillard]

My fastest lap was a 1m28.4 using the Peskyrollo C60 Hybride with @praiano63 tune found on his blog. That was lap 13.

This was a win by 20 seconds, fast lap times but not an easy overall victory! All laps without a crash always under 1m35s but needs 2 stops. 70 litres and 60 litres I think, with pit lane speeding penalty both times.

Used my own gearing and set to top out at 360km/h. Might be wise to max it out at 350km/h because it turns to jelly if you get high on the banking at that speed!

Keep it low on all banking and steer hard at the exit of the final long turn.

Brake early all through the infield. The unbelievable traction means you are going a lot faster than TS030! It's slower going in and to the apex in the tight stuff. But it just leaps out of them.

691pp is to make this rabbit 'legal'. In so many events PD allow the AI to run a car well over the PP limit so this is a nice change. Now the penalties are reduced to a sensible level and I understand the successful pace is to relax, this is a really enjoyable event!

@coryclifford I adored pushing the TS030 around for 15 laps! Will try the Super grade 24-minute races with it when the Daytona seasonal closes. But I don't want to think about that now, I want to explore my favourite LMPs - and maybe discover some new ones.

 

[cjr3559]

Ok, slowly dialing this event in. After some wild exploits with the 691PP Pescarolo Courage, I decided to go back to the Audi R10 Stealth model. I previously gave up on it after several bottom half finishes, but thought I'd give it another go. This time I decreased the downforce (front and back), lowered the suspension and made some tweaks to the Limited Slip Differential.

I started the race with RM in the front and RH in the rear and took a conservative 1-stop strategy. I managed to make it to around 5am on the original tires and switched to RS front/RM rear and took on about 50 liters of fuel for the end. After pushing a little harder in the home stretch I wound up 4th, which is my best finish so far. Not sure if this car has enough to win, but it's fun trying to set it up for success.

 

[MustangManiac]

My closest finish yet.

I actually had this one well in hand by over 40 seconds when I noticed coming up on the bus stop that I had too much time left and the right rear was down to 3. I didn't want to chance another lap so I slowed dramatically and watched the map as the C60 closed up fast...

...instead of changing lanes and blowing by he rammed me square in the rear and shoved me across in front of him 👍

 

[photonrider]

My closest finish yet.

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[MustangManiac]

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It's saved, I snapped off the tele with my camera phone. This one is cut down to 800x600 because it fits the forums. Here is the original if you want to cut it, it's at 4128x2322:

 

[soupcan]

This is the only LMP I have other than the TS hybrid, got them all in 15 laps. View attachment 299754

 

[haejuk]

I was having a very hard time with this event. I was sure it was because I was a very very bad driver compared to everyone else on GTP. Now I feel closer to average! I tried with the 787B (both stock and tuned to 691PP) and I had a lot of spin outs on corner exits. I really had to push the throttle in really slowly to avoid spinning out, and this was with fresh tires. Even with RS tires I couldn't avoid spinning out! I just couldn't understand how people could say this car was so great. I started to wonder if everyone was using traction control on it to be competitive. Then I tried praiano's tune for the 787B and got second place on the first try! The car is amazing now! I only got second place because I thought my "last" lap would be slower, but I crossed the line at 23:50 with second place 9 secs behind and ran out of fuel on the real last lap. That was with a one stop race on RH. I ended up getting first place with 2 stops and RM the whole time. Weirdly, I think the second place AI took more pit stops when I ran RM tires and also took 2 stops. Pretty sure the AI only took 1 stop when I ran RH and took one stop. I am totally going to try this with more of praiano's tunes. Finally my race cars are coming alive.

TLDR: I couldn't win until I tried 787B with praiano's tune.

 

[MustangManiac]

I was having a very hard time with this event. I was sure it was because I was a very very bad driver compared to everyone else on GTP. Now I feel closer to average! I tried with the 787B (both stock and tuned to 691PP) and I had a lot of spin outs on corner exits. I really had to push the throttle in really slowly to avoid spinning out, and this was with fresh tires. Even with RS tires I couldn't avoid spinning out! I just couldn't understand how people could say this car was so great. I started to wonder if everyone was using traction control on it to be competitive. Then I tried praiano's tune for the 787B and got second place on the first try! The car is amazing now! I only got second place because I thought my "last" lap would be slower, but I crossed the line at 23:50 with second place 9 secs behind and ran out of fuel on the real last lap. That was with a one stop race on RH. I ended up getting first place with 2 stops and RM the whole time. Weirdly, I think the second place AI took more pit stops when I ran RM tires and also took 2 stops. Pretty sure the AI only took 1 stop when I ran RH and took one stop. I am totally going to try this with more of praiano's tunes. Finally my race cars are coming alive.

TLDR: I couldn't win until I tried 787B with praiano's tune.

Yes, throttle control is everything in this event due to tires/fuel depletion. If you want something you can drive like 🤬 try the Jag XJR9 or the BMW V12. You have to watch the fuel in the Jag and the tires in the beemer, but both can win with RH and 1 stop 👍

 

[skeagracing]

Yes, throttle control is everything in this event due to tires/fuel depletion. If you want something you can drive like 🤬 try the Jag XJR9 or the BMW V12. You have to watch the fuel in the Jag and the tires in the beemer, but both can win with RH and 1 stop 👍

With the BMW V12 on RH you can do two stops and lap the field. Amazing race car.

 

[mustangxr]

All I know is that this Seasonal is costing me a lot of credits with no reward (yet). I just purchased the C60 Hybride, so between it, the R10 and all of the tire purchases I'm at nearly 5 million credits spent and less than 100,000 won.

Though I haven't raced the Pescarolo yet, in practice so far it looks like I should finally get close to the podium or better with some race experience. My practice laps are about 10 seconds faster than the R10.

As a side note, the last time I had a Pescarolo was through the UCD in GT5, and what a difference a brand new model makes in GT6.

👍[/QUOTEYeah, for me the Pesci is the easiest win, with great tire wear, great acceleration and the highest top speed. I've been running race hard tires lately and pulled a 1:28 yesterday on lap 3!! I find race hard tires are more predictable and less squirmy after warm up than mediums or softs.

I use a Praiano tune but jacked up the suspension slightly and increased the front spring stiffness to alleviate the hunting behaviour on the banking. I think the suspension was bottoming out with the stock Praiano tune and causing random darting and swerving on the banking. The original tune was created for La Sarthe which has no banked turns. The combination of Gee Force and Down Force on the banking is probably enough to put the car right down on the frame with no remaining compliance for handling.

The problem with running fast laps is that you then have to budget for 15 laps!?!?! I find myself drafting some fast guys to save fuel and/or lolligagging around trying to balance killing time, watching Jacques Besson in the C-60 coming up behind me to see who will get the finish line first if I cross at 24:01, to avoid lap15!!

My friend Jacques will usually run a 3 pit strategy, (Pits@4,8, and 12) running race mediums throughout the race. His folly is that he allows the pit crew to fuel him to max on pit 12 where he really only needs enough fuel for 3 laps, Oh well?!?

I have found that if I run a slow but sure strategy, I can make the race hards and fuel run to 7 laps and only pit once. When you think about it, a pit stop runs around 30 seconds, so by running only one pit you have picked up 1:00 minute on Jacques who pits THREE times. For sure this works for the 787B and the 905B. With the C-60, it's difficult to stretch the fuel when it is so much fun to go fast. I find myself in the lead by lap 4 or 5 at the latest!

I have seen Jacques run only one pit stop for 14 laps and watched him run his right rear tire down to ZERO before pitting.
At that point his C-60 becomes a golf cart and is passed very easily. I have not seen him doing this single pit stop strategy/folly recently though and perhaps the A.I. have adapted to the conditions and are able to change their tactics.

It's all interesting and fun, cheers,
Pete

P.S. I hope Monsieur Besson will excuse my naming him Jacques, just from interpolating his initial "J".

 

[mustangxr]

For some reason my answer to this original post got inserted into the original post!?!?

This was not intended, please accept my apologies.
Cheers, Pete

 

[coryclifford]

Man the Minolta is fast! Added 9kg to get to 691pp. RH, same tune as usual. One stopper. I think I saw 234 mph in a draft. Worth mentioning is how easily one can control the pace with this car. As if the AI respects it.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

The main thing for me was learning the course, I'd never driven it before the seasonal. Now I'm comfortable and know it
by heart which was 90% of the battle. The main issue is reducing pit stops. I needed to pit stop with 2 minutes left when I was first, which really pissed me off. I only needed 10 litres of fuel. Looks like I need to be at least 1/3 of a lap ahead for the last pit stop. I'm using the 787b Stealth which seems to drink fuel. I've not tried any other cars yet which I will do. It's the only Le Man car I own at the moment.

I'd like to try winning it with a non Le Man car fully upgraded.

 

[WJHMH]

Finished much better with the Minolta 88C-V '89, two tire stops, medium race. I've forgotten ho much fun the ol' Toyota was. It didn't rain in the middle of the session like it has before, thought that was rather odd. I would have finished faster but I deliberately slowed down my last lap so the so I wouldn't run the clock longer, plus not sure if the right rear tire could survive another lap.

 

[cjr3559]

My closest finish yet.



I actually had this one well in hand by over 40 seconds when I noticed coming up on the bus stop that I had too much time left and the right rear was down to 3. I didn't want to chance another lap so I slowed dramatically and watched the map as the C60 closed up fast...



...instead of changing lanes and blowing by he rammed me square in the rear and shoved me across in front of him 👍

I had a similar situation today with worn tires, about 10 seconds too much time, and a 7 second lead, but instead the 2nd place car overtook me right at the finish leaving me .5 seconds behind.

 

[YapalfeuAulac]

For some reason my answer to this original post got inserted into the original post!?!?

This was not intended, please accept my apologies.
Cheers, Pete

I guess you deleted the ] at the end of [/QUOTE] when replying to the post (I don't mean to give a lesson, I have a lot to learn myself with posting...)