DeadNutsEven - Where anyone can win!!

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I am formatting my HDD, updated my GT5 to 2.09, still have the same issues, shut down error on weather change tracks. Now, I reformat again, updated to only 1.06, no issues at all, no error :(, continuing to 1.07, see if it still okay ... really bizzarre, do I have to restart the game every update changes ? I just cancelled every time installation finished, then restart the game to update the save files, before continuing to the next patch. Hopefully this will fix the shutdown error. I also did full installation while in 1.0 to avoid any error. I never did installation previously, just full update to 2.09 the 1st time GT5 started - leads to shutdown error :(

I think I might be able to get online in a few hours if there's no problem, and hope the backup save works fine.
 
Good luck Rido:tup:

So Cote and I tested the Elise at Monaco (you'll never guess what car Ferrari was in..:sly:), around 2:00 on CS tires with tire wear off. For me it was about 400 PP in the 96' Elise from the NCD. What I call lightly tuned with ballast to fix a bit of the wildness and couple of other things. I'll post the tune tomorrow. The car was magic, just enough oversteer to throw it around if you wanted to but didn't have to. Took the same tune to Rome and it was really nice there too.

Also tried it on SH tires and at 400 PP I think it was too much grip with tire wear off. Give it a spin for yourselves and see what you think. I also found it easier to drive without ABS for some reason which was nice.

I also tried the Caterham and it was just brilliant. I'm thinking we're going to have a Caterham event and an Elise event in the near future...lol. I was running it at 100hp and it was in the 2:00 range as well. I'll post the tune for that tomorrow as well and it was also a 5 minute light tune, with mostly stock suspension.
 
Then let see who else might feel like racing this afternoon and at what time.
I am going to be in the lounge later, getting a Catheram ready for Monaco also, same target time.SH
 
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I am off today but have some running around to do. I can make it later. If you guys are ready to go with qualified cars (Elise and Caterham but in a one make scenario), we could run an impromptu race tonight. If you can get something going this afternoon by all means go for it. Couple of pics wouldn't hurt either...lol.

Don't forget to run with tire wear off so we can have uniform qualifying of cars. Once you have your car set up, try taking the same car to a couple of other city tracks like London, Rome Reverse, Madrid Mini Reverse etc. if you're in the mood. Rome Reverse seemed pretty good last night and the last corner is a real doozy. Try to keep some trailing throttle in the last corner to keep the back end from coming around and keep to the left side of the track where all the grip is.

The Caterham was unbelievable at Monaco and I suspect it'll be good at other tracks too. I will post those tunes a bit later when I get back home if you're looking for a basic setup. You are so low you feel like you're going 200 km/h when you're doing 120. The sensation of speed is great.
 
New pace for Cote D'Azur 1'56. With the Fireblade, SH tyres.
Some of us had 200 kg ballast and 50% power and still over the 2'00 pace
 
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Cote Dazur
New pace for Cote D'Azur 1,56. With the Fireblade, SH tyres.
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Yeah, I was at full ballast and down to 58.7% on the limiter (96hp) with only adjustable tranny and LSD and was still occasionally under target.

This car needs a lower target to make things more interesting!
 
You guys said exactly what I was going to...

I was going to post about needing a 1:55 target time for the Fireblade, but it looks like you already got to it. :lol:

I'm going to post some pictures in about an hour. :)
 
Not sure if we'll be racing both at Monaco. I was thinking Elises at Monaco and the Fireblade somewhere else. So depending on where we go with the Fireblade you may need more power or less. You might want to try it with CS tires as 100 HP on the Fireblace and SH tires is a bit too much grip IMO...:sly: If you go up to 110-120+ the SH should be the way to go.
 
I would like to propose that we adopt tuning prohibited when racing same cars, or same model or brand.
The reason we race a particular model is because of its specificity, if it is tuned then it loose that caracter and turn it into something else, defeating the all purpose of the excersise. If on top you drive it from bumper view, then I really dont get the point beside the aesthetic, and maybe this is what it is about.
At the beginning we had tuning prohibited and the racing was not any less interesting.
Not saying we should go back to that, but just a thought for when racing same cars, or same model or brand.
Very easy when we go for same model, like elise, as the disparity in models should allow easely for the faster and the other to find something close to the pace in a natural state or just the limit the powewr and/or add wheight without altering the weight balance
 
Johnnypenso
Not sure if we'll be racing both at Monaco. I was thinking Elises at Monaco and the Fireblade somewhere else. So depending on where we go with the Fireblade you may need more power or less. You might want to try it with CS tires as 100 HP on the Fireblace and SH tires is a bit too much grip IMO...:sly: If you go up to 110-120+ the SH should be the way to go.
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The consensus was that SH was better for that car, just that 2'00 was hard to respect at Monaco, all is needed for other track is set the proper pace with the same car. of course lesser grip tyre is also a way to do it

JP are you joining us?
 
Cote Dazur
The consensus was that SH was better for that car, just that 2'00 was hard to respect at Monaco, all is needed for other track is set the proper pace with the same car. of course lesser grip tyre is also a way to do it

JP are you joining us?
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I'd like to but I have to get some other stuff done....can make it after dinner if anyone is left.

About tuning prohibited, I'm not against it once in a while, but I would only want to use it with cars that we universally approve of as good handling in their stock condition. I'm not sure the fireblade qualifies in that regard or the Elise you guys would have to figure that out. You cannot add weight in a tuning prohibited room, you can only use the engine limiter and alter the BB, nothing else, so the car has to come out of the box with handling acceptable to everyone.
 
Cote Dazur
I would like to propose that we adopt tuning prohibited when racing same cars, or same model or brand.
The reason we race a particular model is because of its specificity, if it is tuned then it loose that caracter and turn it into something else, defeating the all purpose of the excersise. If on top you drive it from bumper view, then I really dont get the point beside the aesthetic, and maybe this is what it is about.
At the beginning we had tuning prohibited and the racing was not any less interesting.
Not saying we should go back to that, but just a thought for when racing same cars, or same model or brand.
Very easy when we go for same model, like elise, as the disparity in models should allow easely for the faster and the other to find something close to the pace in a natural state or just the limit the powewr and/or add wheight without altering the weight balance
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I wouldn't really have much interest in racing an Elise with tuning prohibited... I'm not a fan of the abundant oversteer that the car possesses in spec form, it's much harder to control with a DS3 than it is with a wheel, in my prior experience. Being able to tune some of that out is much preferred for me.

And I think SH tires are fine for the Caterham. The 1:56.000 pace is pretty hectic to keep, hustling the car around on a consistent basis. It could be potentially difficult for some to match over a race distance... Even running at a 1:57 - 1:58 pace makes a big difference for the better.
 
Naptown25rs
I wouldn't really have much interest in racing an Elise with tuning prohibited... I'm not a fan of the abundant oversteer that the car possesses in spec form, it's much harder to control with a DS3 than it is with a wheel, in my prior experience. Being able to tune some of that out is much preferred for me.

And I think SH tires are fine for the Caterham. The 1:56.000 pace is pretty hectic to keep, hustling the car around on a consistent basis. It could be potentially difficult for some to match over a race distance... Even running at a 1:57 - 1:58 pace makes a big difference for the better.
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I do not feel strongly about the tuning, more like an exchange of idea, if most much prefer we stay with tuning, it is all good. After all I do not have to tune if I do not want to.
 
Lotus Elise 96'​
Tuned for Monaco, 400PP CS Tires, 2:00​
Comments Most of the stock suspension is there, it's tweeked to take out some of the oversteer inherent in the Elise without robbing it of it's basic character. To vary the over/understeer, just move the ballast. It's very forgiving for an Elise and getting sideways is controllable with a bit of throttle most of the time. Without ABS, favour slightly higher front BB, perhaps 4/3.


General
PP - 400
HP - 128
Kgs - 846
Ballast - 91@-50
Engine Limiter - 88.60%
None - Aero

Parts Added - All drivetrain, transmission and suspension upgrades, titanium racing exhaust, ECU, Cat. Conv.

Suspension/Drivetrain/Brakes
0/0 - Ride Height
3.5/5.3 - Springs
4/4 - Ext Dampers
4/4 - Comp. Dampers
1/1 - ARB's
1.5/2.0 - Camber
0/0 - Toe
5/10/10 - LSD
3/0 (No ABS) - Brake Balance

Transmission (in this order)
Hit Reset
180 - Set Top Speed to (minimum)
3.966 - Final Gear Ratio
3.481 - 1st
2.555 - 2nd
1.996 - 3rd
1.637 - 4th
1.363 - 5th
N/A - 6th

NOTE: This is a December 30, 2012 updated gearbox, specifically for the 1:58 CS target time at Monaco, to utilize the entire gearbox.
 
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Caterham Seven Fireblade 02'​
Tuned for Monaco, 504PP, CS Tires around 2:00​
Comments
Another tune that retains much of the character of the car while making it controllable for racing. With SH tires the car has plenty of grip. This car was tuned at Monaco to run around the 2:00 mark in a single make race. Take care to roll on the throttle when the car is off balance. It's so light that sometimes you can lose the back end with a heavy foot even with 100 HP.

General
PP - 504
HP - 100
Kgs - 369
Ballast - None
Engine Limiter - 56.8%
Aero - None

Parts Added - All drivetrain, transmission and suspension upgrades, titanium racing exhaust

Suspension, Drivetrain/Brakes
10/10 - Ride Height
8.8/6.7 - Springs
4/4 - Ext Dampers
3/3 - Comp. Dampers
4/3 - ARB's
0.9/2.2 - Camber
.04/.06 - Toe
9/10/10 - LSD
3/0 No ABS - Brake Balance

Transmission (in this order)
HIT RESET <<<important
180 - Set Top Speed to (minimum)
3.197 - Final Gear Ratio
6.524 - 1st
4.759 - 2nd
3.644 - 3rd
2.911 - 4th
2.423 - 5th
2.105 - 6th
 
I was a very committed, cockpit view only driver from the start of my GT5 racing. Along the way it was suggested I try the bumper view for a more successful racing experience. I honestly don't feel that there is a difference in "feel" from the two views. The car still reacts (as does the screen), the same regardless of the two views. It is definitely a personal preference, but both have pros and cons when talking about making it as simulation based as possible. The cockpit view is certainly beautiful, but very limiting in terms of vision (in all directions, especially to the rear). There will always be limitations when racing on a single flat screen, so this is understandable. The big push for me to turn to the bumper view was the less restricted view, creating to me, a more realistic experience in regards to what I would actually see in a car.

To me, I enjoy the openness of this group. That includes choice of view and the ability to tune. I don't often do much with suspension or lsd, but it is nice to know I can if I want. It also opens up car selection when you can add parts to get some hp. Being able to add aero is nice too...gives the cars a more personal touch.
 
I haven't experimented with views much. Hood cam has been my go to view from the beginning, as I like the birdseye view it offers and the ability to see the nose of the car, and the engine sound of course. I have fiddled around with cockpit but I usually end up missing apex's and I don't like that lack of sound. If I could have the sound back I might like it more.

I should be able to make it around 8 for an hour or so. I'll be fiddling around with the Lotus and Caterham and I'd like to try a couple of different tracks and see how they go. London, Madrid Mini Reverse, Rome Reverse etc.
 
I did some laps earlier at Madrid Mini Reverse with Cote, Lancia Stratos in stock condition, only BB change, CS tires, 1:02.xxx to 1:03.xxx average, pretty fun to drive, but needs to be careful on 2nd corner, it likes to slide the rear tires. Then I tried Lotus Elise '96, 445PP, CS tires, 1:00.7xx - 1:01.xxx average, very stable and fun to drive, braking is pretty straight forward, easy to handle.

I think with Lancia Stratos, a tuning prohibited would be fun, maybe use SH tires instead of CS, as CS is really like driving on the edge the whole time on Madrid Mini Reverse.
I used the Stratos with SH on several races with Praiano & other tuners at Madrid Mini, very fast compared to similar PP car (400-410). Just a suggestion, maybe it will interest you to try the car JP :D
 
Ridox2JZGTE
I think with Lancia Stratos, a tuning prohibited would be fun, maybe use SH tires instead of CS, as CS is really like driving on the edge the whole time on Madrid Mini Reverse.
I used the Stratos with SH on several races with Praiano & other tuners at Madrid Mini, very fast compared to similar PP car (400-410). Just a suggestion, maybe it will interest you to try the car JP :D
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Not sure if I have the car on this account but I do remember pre 2.09 it was a real handful in spec mode. If it can be tuned to be made safe it could be a possibility. I highly doubt we'll run full spec races very often or maybe never, as there is just too much variance in equipment, driving skill, ability, etc. to make spec racing fun for everyone. If we did, it would probably be a car much more neutral in handling like the BMW M3 or Ferrari California so that we'd all be able to drive it with confidence.
 
Johnnypenso
Not sure if I have the car on this account but I do remember pre 2.09 it was a real handful in spec mode. If it can be tuned to be made safe it could be a possibility. I highly doubt we'll run full spec races very often or maybe never, as there is just too much variance in equipment, driving skill, ability, etc. to make spec racing fun for everyone. If we did, it would probably be a car much more neutral in handling like the BMW M3 or Ferrari California so that we'd all be able to drive it with confidence.
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All right, I see what you mean, how about the C7 Corvette ? We can run spec racing with it, I did a couple of laps today for the stock TT at Nordschleife, 7:46.xxx on my 2nd lap, and no ABS, the BB is locked at 5/5:ouch:, had to be smooth and edgy the whole time, I reckon I can do sub 7:40.xxx with more laps, as I only have a few cruising pace laps there before.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
All right, I see what you mean, how about the C7 Corvette ? We can run spec racing with it, I did a couple of laps today for the stock TT at Nordschleife, 7:46.xxx on my 2nd lap, and no ABS, the BB is locked at 5/5:ouch:, had to be smooth and edgy the whole time, I reckon I can do sub 7:40.xxx with more laps, as I only have a few cruising pace laps there before.
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What's the Gold Time on that TT?
 
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